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Continuation of this thread
now that the page is now finally accepted and made, here is the scaling from it to be discussed in this thread:
Here is the new Sonic profile to account for the change in scaling + finally adding the stuff from Sonic Prime into the profile, so here are the changes:
Changes:
"Shadow and Maria reach out for one another in an infinite abyss (as long-lost siblings would) with the Moon and the Space Colony ARK in the background."
aka, in the image Shadow and Maria are in a "Infinite Abyss", which we can see that it is outer space, therefore space = infinite blatantly so, thus it would be added to the Cosmology Page as extra evidence that the Universe is infinite
now that the page is now finally accepted and made, here is the scaling from it to be discussed in this thread:
Classic/Modern Sonic - His speed can interact with White Space to restore the areas of it; the bundle of hax they get for their movement in Generations will now include Nonexistent Interaction (Nature Type 2; Aspects Types 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5)
Darkspine Sonic (He can interact with Alf Layla wa-Layla's final attack, made from the words of the Book itself, thus he would get NPI for Plot, Text and Space-Time as the words in the Storybook Worlds are what all of those things are made of, naturally he would also gain the manipulation of those as he fixed the arabian nights after Erazor messed it up)
Chaos Emeralds/Chaos Energy users (The Emeralds where what was used by Sonic to restore all the erasure done by the Time Eater, Solaris additionally also threatened to consume/destroy "everything"; not just time, though that's obviously what he's best known for. Which would include White Space, which is stated to exist as a separate dimension as seen in the page.)
Time Eater (Same as above, minus the NEP of White Space, as it didn't erased it, it gains NEP Interaction from erasing Silver's original future, which is a "universe that never was" aka a "Universe that doesn't exist". This will add Nonexistence to his Type 5 in interaction.
The cast of Sonic Generations will now gain resistance to "Mind Erasure" as they kept their own during after getting erased by the Time Eater
Darkspine Sonic (He can interact with Alf Layla wa-Layla's final attack, made from the words of the Book itself, thus he would get NPI for Plot, Text and Space-Time as the words in the Storybook Worlds are what all of those things are made of, naturally he would also gain the manipulation of those as he fixed the arabian nights after Erazor messed it up)
Chaos Emeralds/Chaos Energy users (The Emeralds where what was used by Sonic to restore all the erasure done by the Time Eater, Solaris additionally also threatened to consume/destroy "everything"; not just time, though that's obviously what he's best known for. Which would include White Space, which is stated to exist as a separate dimension as seen in the page.)
Time Eater (Same as above, minus the NEP of White Space, as it didn't erased it, it gains NEP Interaction from erasing Silver's original future, which is a "universe that never was" aka a "Universe that doesn't exist". This will add Nonexistence to his Type 5 in interaction.
The cast of Sonic Generations will now gain resistance to "Mind Erasure" as they kept their own during after getting erased by the Time Eater
Solaris/Chaos Emeralds (It was said that Solaris was going to destroy "everything" which would include White Space, Solaris itself exists in the verse's Hypertimeline which is far beyond the reaches of White Space, thus his destruction would surely extend to it and beyond, thus he would get that hax due to being able to destroy such non existent place, to note, we know what reality becomes once Solaris finishes undoing reality and it isn't White Space, it is the End of the World, with the closer he gets to his final destruction making reality become in a visibly different state than WS)
as universes in Sonic are now accepted as 2-C structures, naturally all current Universal+ feats become Low Multiversal, a few new feats to add as well however:
Sonic (Endured the explosion of the Paradox Prism, which destroyed the Prime World into the Shatterverse, getting only briefly knocked out before getting up with only a light daze) (His spin attack was able to shatter the paradox prism, when the individual shards could tank the following explosion that fragmented the entire Prime World into the shatterverse)
Chaos Emeralds new baseline (They should now upscale from the Paradox Prism, but also from scaling to the Sol Emeralds, as they could make 2 Universes collide and be destroyed all on their own, while explicitly not in control of a user whatsoever, due to the mechanics of Chaos Energy(which needs a user to gain more power with their emotions) that would make anyone using them inherently stronger than this feat, making it the new baseline for the Emeralds' power)
Sonic (Endured the explosion of the Paradox Prism, which destroyed the Prime World into the Shatterverse, getting only briefly knocked out before getting up with only a light daze) (His spin attack was able to shatter the paradox prism, when the individual shards could tank the following explosion that fragmented the entire Prime World into the shatterverse)
Chaos Emeralds new baseline (They should now upscale from the Paradox Prism, but also from scaling to the Sol Emeralds, as they could make 2 Universes collide and be destroyed all on their own, while explicitly not in control of a user whatsoever, due to the mechanics of Chaos Energy(which needs a user to gain more power with their emotions) that would make anyone using them inherently stronger than this feat, making it the new baseline for the Emeralds' power)
As accepted in the Cosmology Page, Maginaryworld would also take aspects of the Storybook Worlds, as Merlina and Erazor's Dreams/Desires involves their own respective Storybook Worlds, that being the former wanting to preserve it eternally and the latter's wanting to completely rule it and remake it in his image, therefore the likes of Void would also get the mentioned haxes for being able to destroy all of Maginaryworld, including all Dream Worlds, this would also add into the Metaphysical aspect scaling for Dreams as concepts, which i made a sandbox on how it will be covered here
As accepted in the Cosmology page, Eggman during the Classic Era created an entire Dream World of his own, therefore he would receive all the haxes from manipulating Dreams as he did just that, making one that entirely fitted into what he wanted it to be, Classic Sonic would also receive Low Complex Multiversal Range for Dimensional travel, as he could travel to the Sleeping Egg Zone and come back
Since Universes is now considered infinite in size, some feats now become infinite speed feats:
Dodonpa's Rocket Universe crossing feat
Incomplete Time Eater destroying the universe with physical waves of EE
Sonic Rush Exception feat: Since it is specified that the Exception is in between Sonic's and Blaze's Universes, they would need reach the end of it to reach it
all above become Infinite in speed since the universe is now infinite
New feats come also, in Sonic Prime; Shadow was able to react to being launched by a shockwave created by Sonic that reached the "outer reaches" of The Void, which is accepted as an infinite structure, thus being another infinite speed feat for them to scale.
Now is time to talk about the high-five feat. Td;Dr, Sonic went fast enough to stay in multiple places at once, being able to even touch himself when in different positions, it couldn't have simply been afterimage creation via speed, because the two Shatter Sonics had a physical impact from touching one another. And it's clear it's from speed and not via hax due to Sonic's dialogue hyping his speed up and the explanation for the power up being only a stat amp. So, yeah... Infinite Speed via high-fiving yourself. And because we know it takes place some time Post-Advance 3, and Sonic couldn't believe a world where Eggman had won, puts this show as happening before Sonic Forces, therefore superiority statements by late Frontiers should upscale his speed from it.
Dodonpa's Rocket Universe crossing feat
Incomplete Time Eater destroying the universe with physical waves of EE
Sonic Rush Exception feat: Since it is specified that the Exception is in between Sonic's and Blaze's Universes, they would need reach the end of it to reach it
all above become Infinite in speed since the universe is now infinite
New feats come also, in Sonic Prime; Shadow was able to react to being launched by a shockwave created by Sonic that reached the "outer reaches" of The Void, which is accepted as an infinite structure, thus being another infinite speed feat for them to scale.
Now is time to talk about the high-five feat. Td;Dr, Sonic went fast enough to stay in multiple places at once, being able to even touch himself when in different positions, it couldn't have simply been afterimage creation via speed, because the two Shatter Sonics had a physical impact from touching one another. And it's clear it's from speed and not via hax due to Sonic's dialogue hyping his speed up and the explanation for the power up being only a stat amp. So, yeah... Infinite Speed via high-fiving yourself. And because we know it takes place some time Post-Advance 3, and Sonic couldn't believe a world where Eggman had won, puts this show as happening before Sonic Forces, therefore superiority statements by late Frontiers should upscale his speed from it.
As detailed in the page, several structures are now accepted as being higher in distance than 5D and 6D, here is how it will be affecting the range section of the profiles:
Time Eater gets Beyond Baseline Complex Multiversal range with it's abilities, as he can casually send people to White Space and can easily travel to its lair and back to the Prime World and its erasure extended to all space and time through all of history, which would include Null Space
Double Boost users would get the same as above, as they can use it to travel from Null Space back to normal reality
Solaris/Chaos Energy users would be the same for above, as he can reach and destroy "everything" through all of time, thus also reaching Null Space
Eggman's Innate Dimensional Travel, which allowed him to come back from White Space without any resources, thus scalling Beyond countless, possibly Infinite Low Complex Multiversal range
Void/Lumina/Illumina get countless, possibly Infinite Low Complex Multiversal range , as they can alter all of Maginaryworld, which is accepted as this big
Time Eater gets Beyond Baseline Complex Multiversal range with it's abilities, as he can casually send people to White Space and can easily travel to its lair and back to the Prime World and its erasure extended to all space and time through all of history, which would include Null Space
Double Boost users would get the same as above, as they can use it to travel from Null Space back to normal reality
Solaris/Chaos Energy users would be the same for above, as he can reach and destroy "everything" through all of time, thus also reaching Null Space
Eggman's Innate Dimensional Travel, which allowed him to come back from White Space without any resources, thus scalling Beyond countless, possibly Infinite Low Complex Multiversal range
Void/Lumina/Illumina get countless, possibly Infinite Low Complex Multiversal range , as they can alter all of Maginaryworld, which is accepted as this big
Removed unnecessary keys and fused some to remove bloat from the profile, also re structured it to look nicer to the eye
Adding feats to prove more that Sonic passively grows in power, but that he also grows in other aspects such as Battle skill and such, bolded are the additions
Accelerated Development (Training, Battle & Passive - Physical Stats, Abilities & Other: Fighting Skill; Same as hisAdventure Era-self.Noted by himself and his friends to improve at a quick rate. In merely 2 training sessions, he became the successor of the secret art of the Linshao Kung Fu under the tutelage of Master Shuifon the Iron Fist. Quickly grew in practice & combat from being considered an amateur to being a master knight, mastering 3 dueling styles along the way and became a legendary knight. Very quickly learned Ninjutsu after trying Espio's regular everyday training section for the first time, with him saying that Sonic had all the makings of a ninja. Became much faster after Colors as he could casually steal a chili dog[149] without Tails being able to react to it. Kept exceeding Zik[150] and Zavok's[151] expectations after seeing him in action before. The Zeti even when teaming up in trio teams continued to lose to Sonic despite being in confident in defeating him as their power was overflowing thanks to the Extractor.[152] Despite initially getting blitzed and overpowered by the Egg Enforces when they were powered by Prism Energy, he later grew enough to be able to keep up and somewhat fight against the superior mechs of the Chaos Council when they were doing the same. Sonic grew stronger after six months of imprisonment in the Death Egg with his hands and knees bound. Was later stated to exceed previous data by Infinite during their second encounter, and stated himself to grow stronger every second[153] before later quickly overwhelming Infinite despite previously being on even ground minutes ago. Was initially equal to Surge, who was calibrated with his Bio-Data to be his equal, and that was so similar in all aspects that Dr.Eggman's systems were unable to differentiate her from him. But after a while he was able to completely and utterly dominate her casually as the fight went on.[13] Destroyed a door that tanked his earlier attack earlier on in a conversation[155])
Accelerated Development (Training, Battle & Passive - Physical Stats, Abilities & Other: Fighting Skill; Same as hisAdventure Era-self.Noted by himself and his friends to improve at a quick rate. In merely 2 training sessions, he became the successor of the secret art of the Linshao Kung Fu under the tutelage of Master Shuifon the Iron Fist. Quickly grew in practice & combat from being considered an amateur to being a master knight, mastering 3 dueling styles along the way and became a legendary knight. Very quickly learned Ninjutsu after trying Espio's regular everyday training section for the first time, with him saying that Sonic had all the makings of a ninja. Became much faster after Colors as he could casually steal a chili dog[149] without Tails being able to react to it. Kept exceeding Zik[150] and Zavok's[151] expectations after seeing him in action before. The Zeti even when teaming up in trio teams continued to lose to Sonic despite being in confident in defeating him as their power was overflowing thanks to the Extractor.[152] Despite initially getting blitzed and overpowered by the Egg Enforces when they were powered by Prism Energy, he later grew enough to be able to keep up and somewhat fight against the superior mechs of the Chaos Council when they were doing the same. Sonic grew stronger after six months of imprisonment in the Death Egg with his hands and knees bound. Was later stated to exceed previous data by Infinite during their second encounter, and stated himself to grow stronger every second[153] before later quickly overwhelming Infinite despite previously being on even ground minutes ago. Was initially equal to Surge, who was calibrated with his Bio-Data to be his equal, and that was so similar in all aspects that Dr.Eggman's systems were unable to differentiate her from him. But after a while he was able to completely and utterly dominate her casually as the fight went on.[13] Destroyed a door that tanked his earlier attack earlier on in a conversation[155])
Perception Manipulation (Can slow down his perception enough to see those who were comparable to him in snail's pace)
Elasticity (Able to stretch his limbs)
With Prism Energy:
Enhanced Dimensional Travel (1 layer), Spatial Manipulation and Portal Creation Prism Energy allows Sonic to travel to the different realities of the Shatterverse when running at his maximum speed], with him being unable between them otherwise despite his own innate methods of dimensional travel. Doing so by "thinning the veil" to The Void and creating a portal as a result)
Aura, Energy Manipulation & Electricity Manipulation (Prism Energy can gather up inside Sonic, expanding into an aura of energy and electricity around his body as he runs)
Minor Reactive Evolution (Each new enviroment of the shatterverse realities that Sonic enters changes his shoes and gloves to best fit with the needed maneuverability for the area)
Boscage Maze:
Retractable Claws & Surface Scaling (Gains claws that allows him to better climb and lock on surfaces)
Underground Mobility (Can use his claws to quickly dig holes and traverse underground)
Resistance:
Sealing (Can enter in the gateways of the Shatterverse, where other individuals like Shadow are unable to get inside, which is an attribute unique to him)
Elasticity (Able to stretch his limbs)
With Prism Energy:
Enhanced Dimensional Travel (1 layer), Spatial Manipulation and Portal Creation Prism Energy allows Sonic to travel to the different realities of the Shatterverse when running at his maximum speed], with him being unable between them otherwise despite his own innate methods of dimensional travel. Doing so by "thinning the veil" to The Void and creating a portal as a result)
Aura, Energy Manipulation & Electricity Manipulation (Prism Energy can gather up inside Sonic, expanding into an aura of energy and electricity around his body as he runs)
Minor Reactive Evolution (Each new enviroment of the shatterverse realities that Sonic enters changes his shoes and gloves to best fit with the needed maneuverability for the area)
Boscage Maze:
Retractable Claws & Surface Scaling (Gains claws that allows him to better climb and lock on surfaces)
Underground Mobility (Can use his claws to quickly dig holes and traverse underground)
Resistance:
Sealing (Can enter in the gateways of the Shatterverse, where other individuals like Shadow are unable to get inside, which is an attribute unique to him)
...Capable to outpace attacks from Solaris, whose attacks are shown to be throughout all of time itself due to them appearing in the past, present, and future alike, with the deity existing in all time periods simultaneously, thus being able to see all of Sonic's future movements, with the hedgehog still being able to surprise the deity with a charged attack.... (this scales to Shadow and Silver as well, and will be accompanied by the following: Note: Due to the nature of Solaris' existence, he would already be in every moment of the future, present and past at once, making it so that every possible move Sonic could do, time traveling or not, would already have happened by Solaris' perspective, making it the equivalent of him having a constant gaze on every possible movement Sonic would ever do, regardless if he choose differently, making the act of dodging him and surprising him by being able to hit him a skill feat as well and not purely speed)
...Capable of outracing, outfighting & outthinking Metal Sonic across most of their fights and races, despite Metal's capabilities of copying and learning with each encounter and having powers & abilities similar to Sonic himself. Was initially equal to Surge, who was perfectly calibrated with his Bio-Data to be his equal, and that was so similar in all aspects that Dr.Eggman's systems were unable to differentiate her from him, but after a short while he was able to completely overwhelm her casually as their first fight went on, dominating the battle.....
...Capable of outracing, outfighting & outthinking Metal Sonic across most of their fights and races, despite Metal's capabilities of copying and learning with each encounter and having powers & abilities similar to Sonic himself. Was initially equal to Surge, who was perfectly calibrated with his Bio-Data to be his equal, and that was so similar in all aspects that Dr.Eggman's systems were unable to differentiate her from him, but after a short while he was able to completely overwhelm her casually as their first fight went on, dominating the battle.....
Base Sonic: Standard Melee Range, higher with Caliburn, Hundreds of Meters with abilities. Up to Above baseline Low Complex Multiversal scope using Chaos Control (Should be superior to Base Eggman and Primordial Form Time Eater, which can respectively travel reach White Space and Time Eater's Lair)
Darkspine Sonic: Same as his base form, Low Multiversal with abilities (Moves such as Time Break allow Darkspine Sonic to freeze the flow of time. Fixed the entirety of the Arabian Nights reality with a hand gesture, which consists both its main reality and the Night Palace)
Super Sonic: All of his base form's range enhanced, Standard Melee Range; Hundreds of Meters, up to Low Complex Multiversal with his Aura (Super Sonic's aura swallowed several duplicates of Perfect Chaos and shattered alternate worlds of the Phantom Ruby all through out the Egg Field); Varies Low Multiversal (12 Universes. Powered by all 7 Chaos Emeralds, with the Emeralds being able to, alongside the Sol Emeralds, reach to 2 universes), up to Beyond baseline Complex Multiverse level with abilities (6-D. Able to affect Solaris, who Dr. Eggman twice states is an extra-dimensional lifeform[320][321] that would make it superior to the likes of Illumina and Void. Travelled to the Infinite Tunnel Dimension alongside Classic Super Sonic. Should be comparable to Solaris due to being powered by the full power of the Chaos Emeralds, which allowed him to destroy "everything" across all of time, which would include Null Space)
Darkspine Sonic: Same as his base form, Low Multiversal with abilities (Moves such as Time Break allow Darkspine Sonic to freeze the flow of time. Fixed the entirety of the Arabian Nights reality with a hand gesture, which consists both its main reality and the Night Palace)
Super Sonic: All of his base form's range enhanced, Standard Melee Range; Hundreds of Meters, up to Low Complex Multiversal with his Aura (Super Sonic's aura swallowed several duplicates of Perfect Chaos and shattered alternate worlds of the Phantom Ruby all through out the Egg Field); Varies Low Multiversal (12 Universes. Powered by all 7 Chaos Emeralds, with the Emeralds being able to, alongside the Sol Emeralds, reach to 2 universes), up to Beyond baseline Complex Multiverse level with abilities (6-D. Able to affect Solaris, who Dr. Eggman twice states is an extra-dimensional lifeform[320][321] that would make it superior to the likes of Illumina and Void. Travelled to the Infinite Tunnel Dimension alongside Classic Super Sonic. Should be comparable to Solaris due to being powered by the full power of the Chaos Emeralds, which allowed him to destroy "everything" across all of time, which would include Null Space)
Time Eater revamped
Here is the sandbox for a revamp of the Time Eater's profile, to accommodate the Cosmology stuff and the scaling coming from it as well as giving him more keysChanges:
Inorganic Physiology & Incorporeality (Visibly made of a gaseous substance)[2]
Dimensional Travel & Time Travel (Appeared in the Prime World when its own dimension is far outside of it. Can travel to timelines that should not exist, such as the destroyed future of Crisis City)[2]
Space Survival (Found by Eggman while it was stranded in space for seemingly a long time)
Cyborgization (Partial. Eggman had altered the Time Eater to complete its plan, but it isn't complete and doesn't have many mechanical parts yet)
Nonexistent Erasure (Nature Type 1 & Nature Type 5. History; Its erasure extended even to non-existent timelines such as Silver's original "timeline that never was")
Causality Manipulation (Eggman planned on using it to undo all his past defeats, with it rewriting history to do so)
Dimensional Travel & Time Travel (Appeared in the Prime World when its own dimension is far outside of it. Can travel to timelines that should not exist, such as the destroyed future of Crisis City)[2]
Space Survival (Found by Eggman while it was stranded in space for seemingly a long time)
Cyborgization (Partial. Eggman had altered the Time Eater to complete its plan, but it isn't complete and doesn't have many mechanical parts yet)
Nonexistent Erasure (Nature Type 1 & Nature Type 5. History; Its erasure extended even to non-existent timelines such as Silver's original "timeline that never was")
Causality Manipulation (Eggman planned on using it to undo all his past defeats, with it rewriting history to do so)
Cyborgization (Normal) & Additional Limbs (Equipped with four arms after Eggman's modifications that have largely made it a machine)
Body Control (Detached its arm to strike both Sonics from above, and displayed the ability to do so with both arms at far range)
Energy Projection, Weapon Creation & Weapon Control (Harnessed a ball of energy that dispersed into smaller, quicker projectiles, has created large balls of energy, is capable of shooting smaller and thinner green lasers, and created and controlled clock-like constructs capable of repelling away Super Sonic, as well as several Energy Drills and Spears)
Plasma Manipulation (With Sun Burst, which in when it launches a sun-like attack at the enemy)
Boost(Standard. Has a Boost like technique)
Status Effect Inducement, Electricity Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement (Can stun foes with Restraint Trap and can also shoot electric orbs that paralyses foes on contact)
Damage Transferal (Up to 1-C (6-D) AP with Rings; Has Rings within itself, with Rings completely shielding the user from harm so long as they have at least 1 in their possession.Upon taking an instance of damage, a varying amount will scatter from the one who collected them with higher durability causing less to drop. Rings can shield Base characters from damage, including from the likes of Void and an ampedSupreme so long as they have enough in their possession)
Body Control (Detached its arm to strike both Sonics from above, and displayed the ability to do so with both arms at far range)
Energy Projection, Weapon Creation & Weapon Control (Harnessed a ball of energy that dispersed into smaller, quicker projectiles, has created large balls of energy, is capable of shooting smaller and thinner green lasers, and created and controlled clock-like constructs capable of repelling away Super Sonic, as well as several Energy Drills and Spears)
Plasma Manipulation (With Sun Burst, which in when it launches a sun-like attack at the enemy)
Boost(Standard. Has a Boost like technique)
Status Effect Inducement, Electricity Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement (Can stun foes with Restraint Trap and can also shoot electric orbs that paralyses foes on contact)
Damage Transferal (Up to 1-C (6-D) AP with Rings; Has Rings within itself, with Rings completely shielding the user from harm so long as they have at least 1 in their possession.Upon taking an instance of damage, a varying amount will scatter from the one who collected them with higher durability causing less to drop. Rings can shield Base characters from damage, including from the likes of Void and an ampedSupreme so long as they have enough in their possession)
- Healing & Stamina Recovery (Ring energy revitalizes the wielder and restores energy, as noted with Silver wanting to use some to replenish his energy. Rings are referred to by The End as being vitality)
- Statistics Amplification (Ring energy in the Sonic Riders series can amplify the user’s speed by nearly 2x and increases their boost duration by nearly 2 seconds when going from level 1 to 3. Achieving the max ring count in Sonic Frontiers grants Sonic the same speed for his boost that a default level 99 Speed Sonic has)
Extra Infinity
So, remember all evidence i gave for the Universe to be infinite in the last thread? so......now recently this image came out, with the description(Click on "Alt") being:"Shadow and Maria reach out for one another in an infinite abyss (as long-lost siblings would) with the Moon and the Space Colony ARK in the background."
aka, in the image Shadow and Maria are in a "Infinite Abyss", which we can see that it is outer space, therefore space = infinite blatantly so, thus it would be added to the Cosmology Page as extra evidence that the Universe is infinite
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