Mujin Park (GOH) vs Wang Wei (JOTFDE) | Battle for 2nd strongest non-smurf

[Rikimarox2]

Should be relatively simple.

Speed is equalized.

3-C Mujin Park is used, aka Uncontrolled Supreme God key (I think).

Primordial Spirit Key Wang Wei is used.

4D restricted (?)

Mujin Park's AP: 21.03 ZettaFoe

Wang Wei's AP: 47x baseline, aka ~495 Zettafoe. Up to 133 Yottafoe via amp.

Supreme God: 0

Fate Dominating Emperor: 0

Incon: 0

 

[azontr]

Low-High regeneration is crazy lol

 

[Rikimarox2]

Low-High regeneration is crazy lol

The best we're getting for now Later on it turns to High-Godly that can say screw you to Concept/Info stuff. That said, he can exist as a Primordial Spirit, so like, eh. Not to mention the layers upon layers of defenses he has, his absurd luck, and the fact he can change fate on a whim. Not to mention that if he has a single spirit particle left, then he can just absorb everything and become new.

Regardless, I think I got the answer before but just to make sure, can Mujin Park resist Wang Wei's aura (Soul, mind, intelligence, emotions, etc... destruction), and can he affect Wang Wei when he is in his NEP2 and Nonduality state? Also I'd assume Mujin can affect Wang Wei's AE1 state (Memories, Emotions, Spirit, Ideas, etc...)?

Additionally, does Mujin resist fate shenanigans?

 

[Robo432343]

Mujin cannot affect Wang Wei in the NEP/Nonduality state

 

[azontr]

Stop using their full names it's weird

Anyways, I don't know if he can resist the aura, but either way he doesn't need to since he has the powers of Satan who can exist, function, and fight with all of those factors removed. He doesn't need them even if he hypothetically can't resist or regenerate them, so he will be fine.

Unless Wang starts by transforming himself into a completely intangible state, Mujin really just does honestly anything and Wang dies. Wang lacks regeneration and Mujin negates Mid-Godly and basically most of his heavy hitting shit is thought-based, so.

 

[Rikimarox2]

What are Mujin's stuff, though? Don't forget that Wang Wei has 3-A attack (World Breaking Fist). Not to mention currently, Wang Wei has AP advantage, and can restrict Mujin Park's AMP, and the fact that his reaction speed is like, 3 million times his usual speed.

Also if his Intuition is rocking through the roof, I don't see why he doesn't start in it.

Also, Wei can similarly just cut Mujin's fate, removing him from history.

Oh yeah, Mujin also cannot kill Wang Wei due to his Nexus Fate, ie a fate that must absolutely happen.

 

[azontr]

If Wang busts out a 3-A attack Mujin will either 1. Regenerate or 2. Jump to 2-C because he doesn't have to bother with messing with Gaia and creating the promised land, significantly speeding up the assimilation process of Tathagata's power, giving him 4-D Fate and Causality Manipulation, layered 4-D passive mind hax, resistance neg, etc.

The main things Wang doesn't resist are deconstruction, Mujin's power absorption via simply removing Wang's concept (which gives him all his abilities and the ability to negate them, which he can also perform even if he's targeting clones of someone and not just them), the ability to spawn regen negging attacks inside of him, and probably some other sh*t. I went through his resistances section, and he has no resistance against any of this.

"Intuition" doesn't tell me much. What does this Intuition tell him that would lead him to start with that specific ability?

Mujin can't do anything about the Fate stuff, but if Wang pushes him to 2-C, he would just rewrite that fate.

 

[Rikimarox2]

2-C??? Bro this is for Non-Smurf stuff. Is the 2-C inevitable, or is it just a possibility (ie you can remove it in a match)?

Additionally, from what I'm seeing, his regeneration is only for Info type 2, not Concepts. So like, he'll just get erased.

How does his deconstruction work, and even then, how would he do it before Wang Wei just insta-fate cockblock him? Additionally, his concept resist stretches to A LOT of things, including absorption shenanigans (Hell, the reason he has resistance is because characters have concept stuff from 7th realm and onwards, and those typically include Absorption. Wang Wei's absorption even comes from a dude who has absorption that was stated to absorb everything, including concepts).

Even then, ignoring all of the above, you'd need to bypass his passive fate manip that doesn't allow him to die.

As for his intuition, he had it from his time on earth, and it gave him a sense of danger to anything that might happen, that is so far above other cultivators sense of danger (which could sense conceptual shenanigans), and the moment he met someone who could fodderize him, Wang Wei immediately went with shackles of fate (which at this stage is thought-based), that made his opponent toy with him instead of killing him.

Also, he has Bone Clone, which summons a clone that'll allow him to survive any attack (Conceptual, Causality, Reality Warp, etc...)

Regardless of all what I said above, Wang Wei has reaction/thought speed of 33 Billion times the speed of light, which 3.3 million times his normal speed, so he'd just see Mujin as a statue, and can just do whatever he wants with Fate Stuff.

 

[DavidTPPM]

You technically didn't restrict the 4D stuff so this wouldn't fly for non-smurfs

 

[Rikimarox2]

You technically didn't restrict the 4D stuff so this wouldn't fly for non-smurfs

I need to understand something. Is the 4D something that inherently granted by an ability? Like it's not a possibly rating or anything like that, but something guaranteed and only by restricting it can it not happen? Where does the 4D even come from? For example, Wang Wei's stuff can be 4-D if you interpret his World Breaking Fist as 2-C, but you can also interpret it as 3-A, hence the likely rating and there is no need to restrict anything since 4-D can't happen in the first place if you don't use the likely rating.

Regardless, I'll restrict it for now, but I'll appreciate it if someone could explain the above. If it's something that can happen and can only be restricted by the OP personally, then I don't think they can be in Non-smurf in the first place.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Regardless of the whole 4-D stuff, I gotta ask, does Mujin resist getting his fate read? I'm not really seeing any layers on the profile, so I'd assume no?

If so, can't Wang Wei just read his fate (which he does with a glance, btw), and read everything about him (from past to the future), and then just do whatever he wants with his higher reaction speed? I'm pretty sure any of his fate shenanigans in his Notable Attacks could get the job done, or just powernull via a glance, destroying all his powers or just use Shackles of Fate, which can affect Type 1 Concepts, and can do whatever he wants with it, such as making Mujin not do attacks that'll defeat WW instantly, if WW didn't immediately go to an insta-win attack for whatever reason (very doubtful).

Additionally, WW's aura brings an extremely oppressive effect that freezes thoughts and stuff, so even then, Mujin wouldn't really be able to move.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Wait how is this match up even open? Why does WWs profile exist?
Your thread not only wasn't accepted by a single staff member, but it hasn't even been up for a standard grace period

Thread 'Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor Index | Layering as well as Profile Creation'

Yesterday at 06:18

Hello! I've finally finished making Wang Wei's profile (Cough, till Primordial Spirit Realm, which is like the 6th realm out of 13).

Here is the sandbox.

I ttttthink I might have messed up/missed a few things here and there, but if I forgot, then they probably weren't important.

I've made this thread so that people can check it out and see if there any problems (and so I can fix them). And, more importantly, to talk about layering.

Now, please enjoy the layers slop;

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Before I say anything, here is a general rule of thumb. The higher your cultivation realm, the more...

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[Rikimarox2]

Because it doesn't need to? Concept stuff, law stuff, info stuff, etc... were all accepted, and the thread was mostly made in order to see if there are any issues with the profile (as in, editing issues and whatnot).

Dudes profile isn't tier 1, it doesn't require a thread. And layering were already accepted, since upon reading the acceptance, just putting it in a blog is good enough, which I did.

 

[azontr]

Even then, ignoring all of the above, you'd need to bypass his passive fate manip that doesn't allow him to die.

If he has passive fate manipulation that makes him unable to die and erases his opponent from history then it seems incredibly redundant to have made this match knowing Mujin does not resist it.

No offense or rudeness intended on my part, it's just that you don't HAVE to make matches for top strongest if you have something that obviously defeats an opponent, you can just request a spot change (after some consultation with supporters), I've done it before myself.

 

[ShionAH]

You need to defeat everyone under to get to 2nd place