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I mean I would assume so. It makes the most sense to me. Dirk doing it wouldn't make sense.
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And why aren't we assuming tgis is a new character? Hell, when has Hussie ever interacted with people via avatars at all? He's usually pretty direct about his cosmic manipulations.
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Homestuck update: https://www.homestuck2.com/story/96
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i thought Lord English and Doc Scartch were the "Mirthful Messiahs"?YuriAkuto said:
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We still don't know who the Mirthful Messiahs are or were. Could be Shaggy and J. Could be left Gamzee and right Gamzee. Could be Tavros and Gamzee. Could be Lil Cal and Gamzee. Could be Caliborn and Calliope. Could be, as you mentioned earlier, LE and DS, but Doc doesn't seem too "mirthful" to me. Given the current state of What Pumpkin, I wouldn't be surprised if James Roach tweeted out and canonized that it was the Bogdanoffs all along.
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but Gamzee says this in MurderstuckNemo212 said:
TC: and now i'm the last one, so i finally ************ understand.
TC: I FINALLY GOT MY ************* UNDERSTAND ON TO WHO THE MIRTHFUL MESSIAHS ARE.
TC: they were always both me.
) TC: AND ALSO ************* ME. Do:
https://www.homestuck.com/story/3358
Gamzee and Doc Scratch are apart of Lord English
i'm very sorry if i sound rude
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https://www.homestuck.com/story/4111 but LE emerges from DS in this flash and a part of gamzee gets inside the Lil Cal doll in Caliborn's Masterpiece
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Left and right Gamzee?Nemo212 said:
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Well, Lord English and Doc Scratch are a huge part of the religion (Lord as the God of Death and the one who did the Vast Honk, Doc as Satan), but if they're the "Messiahs" is actually unknown.Gf7tvtvfvtfyvfvfvfvfvfv said:
Insane Clown Prosse can also be the Messiahs, given the description we have and the Alpha timeline.
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Yes
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3935993 Eridan vs Feferi in honour of their routes
also to YuriAkuto and Nemo212 my apologies if i souded rude in my original messages
also to YuriAkuto and Nemo212 my apologies if i souded rude in my original messages
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I think Conceptual Frameworks, such as Platonic Concepts, would still be 1-A, and I'll demonstrate why. Any concept that can be defined as Eminent and Transcendent of Reality, while governing reality, is intrinsically 1-A; presently, this is in relation to the conceptual framework; this would be above any "value" of the concept's application; this does not make it ontologically flawed by it being contextual as people say. "Any Value" is not contextual to the ontology of the verse; instead, it refers to the actual nature of conception. That would signify that Any Value means Any Potential "Value" conceptually. Conversely, the concept would be Actual "Value."
Consequently, Platonic Forms are typically referred to as Outer concepts. Hence, we do not base the value on the reality of the verse because these concepts are Eminent and transcendent. Fundamentally, we base value on the nature of conceptualization. If two verses have the same conceptual framework but differing dimensional constants, this does not denote that the verse with the higher constants has superior concepts because these concepts are Eminent and cannot be compared to reality; it is merely the nature of Actuality versus Potentiality, this point will expand my thesis regarding potential and actual value. It would be more appropriate to characterize these concepts as Absolute. Absolute meaning: The use of "absolute" by Hegel is readily misconstrued. Inwood clarifies that absolute is derived from the Latin absolutus and implies "not dependent on, conditional on, relative to, or constrained by anything else; self-contained, flawless, and complete." This aspect of the Absolute's definition adequately describes its transcendence and power over reality. And by virtue of being concepts, they would govern some part of reality. To extrapolate, the potential or possible is how many could exist or potentially exist later on. While the Actual is the status of what determines the Potential, the Actual dictates the Potential. Therefore, modifying the Actual affects all instances of the Potential; consequently, no actual degree of value, not even infinite, can compete with the Actual. For example, Potential Worlds versus the Actual World in which we find ourselves (Many Worlds, EMR), Potential Infinity versus Actual Infinity, etc.
Consequently, Platonic Forms are typically referred to as Outer concepts. Hence, we do not base the value on the reality of the verse because these concepts are Eminent and transcendent. Fundamentally, we base value on the nature of conceptualization. If two verses have the same conceptual framework but differing dimensional constants, this does not denote that the verse with the higher constants has superior concepts because these concepts are Eminent and cannot be compared to reality; it is merely the nature of Actuality versus Potentiality, this point will expand my thesis regarding potential and actual value. It would be more appropriate to characterize these concepts as Absolute. Absolute meaning: The use of "absolute" by Hegel is readily misconstrued. Inwood clarifies that absolute is derived from the Latin absolutus and implies "not dependent on, conditional on, relative to, or constrained by anything else; self-contained, flawless, and complete." This aspect of the Absolute's definition adequately describes its transcendence and power over reality. And by virtue of being concepts, they would govern some part of reality. To extrapolate, the potential or possible is how many could exist or potentially exist later on. While the Actual is the status of what determines the Potential, the Actual dictates the Potential. Therefore, modifying the Actual affects all instances of the Potential; consequently, no actual degree of value, not even infinite, can compete with the Actual. For example, Potential Worlds versus the Actual World in which we find ourselves (Many Worlds, EMR), Potential Infinity versus Actual Infinity, etc.
