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[MunchkinGuy]

I think a weakness for Ness needs to be added, but I don't know how to word it. Endgame Ness cannot stop Pokey, but may or may not scale to Dark Dragon. And I don't think he can hurt Pokey in the Absolutely Safe Capsule as a result of his powers not having unlimited reach. Also, Ness should definitely be weaker than Dark Dragon, not even compared as equals hypothetically despite possibly being comparable. I don't quite know how to put this.

Also, should the Dark Dragon have a tier boost due to being able to destroy the real world?

 

[SnakesCity]

Ness isn't able to stop Porky in the end because he just teleports away before any serious damage can be done, there's no real weakness you could put on Ness' profile for that anyways. I also don't see the point of bringing up Porky in the ASC in relation to Ness?

Also what is your reasoning for the dragon destroying the "real world"? There's nothing that even vaguely implies this in the ending of Mother 3.

And just as a bit of advice my friend, if you are having trouble wording something or don't know how to convey the ideas you're trying to get across for a CRT, it's better to figure out what you want to say first before making the post. Talk with other people like in a general thread too to get different opinions or ask why a rating is what it is, better for everybody this way.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Oh, my bad, I thought this was a different character with the same name.

 

[MunchkinGuy]

Ness isn't able to stop Porky in the end because he just teleports away before any serious damage can be done, there's no real weakness you could put on Ness' profile for that anyways. I also don't see the point of bringing up Porky in the ASC in relation to Ness?

Also what is your reasoning for the dragon destroying the "real world"? There's nothing that even vaguely implies this in the ending of Mother 3.

Yeah, this is kind of why it's hard to discuss. The Dark Dragon page mentions how Itoi saw it as being able to destroy himself, the creator of the games, and the real world as a whole. This is a thematic contrast to how Giygas could not withstand the prayers that happened due to the player's actions. But the games are very vague in places.

I assumed that Ness, despite being a quantum-like being, can't instantly travel to any world he wants. There is no in-character reason I can think of for why Ness wouldn't want to help various groups in Mother 3 from the heroes to unspecified ones who "banished" Porky from worlds. Other than that he has a weakness in world travel speed compared to technological means despite having all that power.

 

[SnakesCity]

Yeah, this is kind of why it's hard to discuss. The Dark Dragon page mentions how Itoi saw it as being able to destroy himself, the creator of the games, and the real world as a whole. This is a thematic contrast to how Giygas could not withstand the prayers that happened due to the player's actions. But the games are very vague in places.

I assumed that Ness, despite being a quantum-like being, can't instantly travel to any world he wants. There is no in-character reason I can think of for why Ness wouldn't want to help various groups in Mother 3 from the heroes to unspecified ones who "banished" Porky from worlds. Other than that he has a weakness in world travel speed compared to technological means despite having all that power.

How the wiki treats the "real world" is often quite varied and different across multiple verses depending on the context and how it's treated in story, Itoi's statements about certain things in Mother 3 are also quite often vague and philosophical in nature which makes it harder to use for indexing.

As for Ness he's still physically a person, the only part of him that's connected with the whole universe is his consciousness.

 

[MunchkinGuy]

How the wiki treats the "real world" is often quite varied and different across multiple verses depending on the context and how it's treated in story, Itoi's statements about certain things in Mother 3 are also quite often vague and philosophical in nature which makes it harder to use for indexing.

As for Ness he's still physically a person, the only part of him that's connected with the whole universe is his consciousness.

All right.

Should Ness's Fate and Probability range scale to the Truth that extends all the way to the Mother 3 world? Because I'm not sure Ness would even scale to that in this context. And the link is broken for those mentions in Range.

 

[SnakesCity]

All right.

Should Ness's Fate and Probability range scale to the Truth that extends all the way to the Mother 3 world? Because I'm not sure Ness would even scale to that in this context. And the link is broken for those mentions in Range.

Personally i don't really like or agree with the fate/probability stuff in the first place. Also yeah somebody should probably fix those at some point.

 

[MunchkinGuy]

Personally i don't really like or agree with the fate/probability stuff in the first place. Also yeah somebody should probably fix those at some point.

Yeah, Ness is a person, like you said, who shouldn't be the strongest in the verse or be able to equal or destroy Dark Dragon or Absolutely Safe Capsule, IMO. He's strong, but he has weaknesses.

I think there are limits to his range and AP.

I do want to ask about cosmology. And here we go, this will be quite wild. Should the real world be treated as above 4D due to being above Ness, who should be above Ninten's powers? And I don't think Mother 1 and 2 should be treated as the same universe. The Earths are different.

 

[SnakesCity]

I do want to ask about cosmology. And here we go, this will be quite wild. Should the real world be treated as above 4D due to being above Ness, who should be above Ninten's powers? And I don't think Mother 1 and 2 should be treated as the same universe. The Earths are different.

The real world stuff is pretty dubious, i also don't know what the current cosmology looks like on the site as im not that interested in Mother series powerscaling.

 

[MunchkinGuy]

Bump.

 

[Kellex]

Should Ness's Fate and Probability range scale to the Truth that extends all the way to the Mother 3 world? Because I'm not sure Ness would even scale to that in this context. And the link is broken for those mentions in Range.

I have the link here.

From I understand from these content revisions, their range is possibly Multiversal because it's implied that the Truth of the Universe appears more than just one universe, but is rather omnipresent across time and space. This is added further by the fact that both Ness and Lucas are considered "Chosen Ones" as a part of a universal system called, or at least what it's stated to be in the crt, the Truth of the Universe itself.

Should the real world be treated as above 4D due to being above Ness

No cause there's a lot things contradicting it like us being able to somehow interact with MOTHER 3 npcs at the end of the game when we're supposed to be higher beings and other stuff mentioned in that second CRT. This "real world" where the player's living is most likely just another universe and not any higher dimensional existence at all.

Also, Ness should definitely be weaker than Dark Dragon, not even compared as equals hypothetically despite possibly being comparable. I don't quite know how to put this.

No proof/evidence = baseless statements. You shoulda find evidence first before making this crt or else it won't have much meaning.

 

[MunchkinGuy]

I have the link here.

From I understand from these content revisions, their range is possibly Multiversal because it's implied that the Truth of the Universe appears more than just one universe, but is rather omnipresent across time and space. This is added further by the fact that both Ness and Lucas are considered "Chosen Ones" as a part of a universal system called, or at least what it's stated to be in the crt, the Truth of the Universe itself.


No cause there's a lot things contradicting it like us being able to somehow interact with MOTHER 3 npcs at the end of the game when we're supposed to be higher beings and other stuff mentioned in that second CRT. This "real world" where the player's living is most likely just another universe and not any higher dimensional existence at all.


No proof/evidence = baseless statements. You shoulda find evidence first before making this crt or else it won't have much meaning.

I don't believe there is proof of Ness's powers being as strong as Dragon's to begin with.