Ness - EarthBound/Mother 2 CRT 2!

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Ness Upgrades because they’re being ignored!

Base Ness:

• Social Influencing (Ness convinced a group of criminals and their boss not to commit more crimes, the mayor to give him the keys, and finally became friends with Monotoli who was under the influence of Giygas)
  • Agree:
  • Disagree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Armorchompy, @SnakesCity
• Limited Mind Manipulation (PK Flash can cause instant Death)
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus
  • Disagree:

Resistances:

• Biological Manipulation and Corruption (Type 1: Resists Zombie bites)
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus
  • Disagree:

End Game Ness:

• Limited Large Size (Type 8) - Due to his consciousness becoming one with the universe and system of fate.
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Armorchompy
  • Disagree:
• Acausality (Type 1: Had killed Giygas in the past, killing him in the future and present at the same time, and suffered no changes in time)
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus
  • Disagree: @Armorchompy
• Astral Projection (Can be project himself into Magicant, which is a universe created by the ideas and dreams within his mind)
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus
  • Disagree: @Armorchompy
• Subjective Reality (Created Magicant from his dreams and brought it to life)
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus
  • Disagree:
• Reality Warping and Time Manipulation (if Ness’ powers were able to match Giygas, he should be able to attack across time)
  • Agree:
  • Disagree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless?, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Username_uhhhIdontknow, @Armorchompy

Resistances:

• Void Manipulation and Darkness Manipulation (Survived and fought in Giygas’ dimension, after he erased Paula’s prayers)
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus
  • Disagree: @Armorchompy
• Time Manipulation(Due to being immune to changes in time)
  • Agree:
  • Disagree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Armorchompy
• Fear Manipulation (Pokey states if anyone were to ever see Giygas, they would petrify in fear)
  • Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless (Only Fear Manipulation), @DarkDragonMedeus
  • Disagree: @Armorchompy

Additional possible Speed Feat:

• Speed: Immeasurable or Omnipresent (Since Ness became the system of fate and the universe, he should have immeasurable speed, as the Truth of The Universe travels to different Universes like a grain and wave. Ness Abso absorbed Magicant, a land of immeasurable area and infinite size)
  • Grain (Particle): Suggests it can be localized, individual, and concrete.
  • Wave: Suggests it is diffuse, spreads out, and can be omnipresent.
• Agree:
• Disagree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @Username_uhhhIdontknow, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Armorchompy

Attack Potency: At least Multiverse level (Became one with the universe and the system of fate, which can travel to other universes like a grain and wave. This is when Ness defeated his Nightmare and absorbed Magicant)

• Agree:
• Disagree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Armorchompy

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

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[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

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[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Biological Manipulation (Resists Zombie bites)

It would also be resistance to Corruption (Type 1)

Time Manipulation(Due to being immune to changes in time)

It's just a consequence of his acausality, not really a resistance to general time manip.

Reality Warping and Time Manipulation (if Ness’ powers were able to match Giygas, he should be able to attack across time)

He could match/affect Giygas because he had the range and was Low 2-C himself. It's not really a matter of manipulating time (at least not directly or through abilities).

Fear Manipulation and Petrification (Pokey states if anyone were to ever see Giygas, they would petrify in fear)

Not literal petrification, it's just a fancy way of saying Giygas is scary.

Large Size (Type 8) - Due to his consciousness becoming one with the universe and system of fate

Sure, but this would only apply for his consciousness.

Speed: Immeasurable or Omnipresent (Since Ness became the system of fate and the universe, he should have immeasurable speed, as the Truth of The Universe travels to different Universes like a grain and wave. Ness Abso absorbed Magicant, a land of immeasurable area and infinite size)

From the little I remember, and from what his profile suggests, only his mind became one with Magicant. We also see after the cutscene (after he leaves/wakes up from magicant) that his physical body remains the same size, even when compared to his friends. So his speed wouldn't change.

At least Multiverse level (Became one with the universe and the system of fate, which can travel to other universes like a grain and wave. This is when Ness defeated his Nightmare and absorbed Magicant)

Not really seeing why this would be 2-B.
1. Ness absorbed Magicant, not the Truth of the Universe.
2. Travelling to other universes is not an indication of scaling to them.
3. Ness not being able to defeat Giygas by himself at the end of the game would kinda contradict a (solid) 2-B rating for him from what I'm seeing. As Giygas' profile says:

(Immensely superior to Ness after getting the Devil's Machine turned off to the point that the latter can't even comprehend his power, with Giygas being unable to be defeated by the Mother 2 cast and was going to mindlessly destroy the universe if it wasn't for the Player's prayers destroying him)

The rest of the OP looks fine to me.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

It would also be resistance to Corruption (Type 1)

Okay..

It's just a consequence of his acausality, not really a resistance to general time manip.

Got It.

He could match/affect Giygas because he had the range and was Low 2-C himself. It's not really a matter of manipulating time (at least not directly or through abilities).

Ah-

Not literal petrification, it's just a fancy way of saying Giygas is scary.

I see, I agree.

Sure, but this would only apply for his consciousness.

Agreed.

From the little I remember, and from what his profile suggests, only his mind became one with Magicant. We also see after the cutscene (after he leaves/wakes up from magicant) that his physical body remains the same size. So his speed wouldn't change.

Oh, so it remains unknown then.

Not really seeing why this would be 2-B.
1. Ness absorbed Magicant, not the Truth of the Universe.
2. Travelling to other universes is not an indication of scaling to them.
3. Ness not being able to defeat Giygas by himself at the end of the game would kinda contradict a 2-B rating for him from what I'm seeing. As Giygas' profile says:

Oh—

The rest of the OP looks fine to me.

K

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

The rest of the OP looks fine to me.

And Death Manipulation via PK Flash?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

And Death Manipulation via PK Flash?

The game says that the opponent "faints" when PK Flash triggers the instant defeat effect. If it's a knock out then it wouldn't be death manip. I suppose it could be sleep manip or limited mind manipulation.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

The game says that the opponent "faints" when PK Flash triggers the instant defeat effect. If it's a knock out then it wouldn't be death manip. I suppose it could be sleep manip or limited mind manipulation.

Okay

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Oblivion of the Endless

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Now I just need votes from others..

 

[Armorchompy]

We require scans for our profiles to be in the English language. All the links to Spanish let's plays have to be replaced.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

We require scans for our profiles to be in the English language. All the links to Spanish let's plays have to be replaced.

working on it

 

[Armorchompy]

Alright. In the meantime:

Social Influencing (Ness convinced a group of criminals and their boss not to commit more crimes, the mayor to give him the keys, and finally became friends with Monotoli who was under the influence of Giygas)

I disagree with Social Influencing here, it's not really anything Ness is doing outside of just being a good guy and listening to them that earns their friendship. I might be mistaken in the case of the first two scans though since they're not in English.

Limited Mind Manipulation (PK Flash can cause instant Death)

I think it's unconsciousness, not death. The in-game description for the lifenoodles says "Revives a friend who is unconscious".

Biological Manipulation and Corruption (Type 1: Resists Zombie bites)

Why are we assuming zombie bites work in that way in this setting?

Large Size (Type 8) - Due to his consciousness becoming one with the universe and system of fate.

I guess. It'd be limited in the same way HDE and abstract existence are though.

Acausality (Type 1: Had killed Giygas in the past, killing him in the future and present at the same time, and suffered no changes in time)

I don't think this is an ability of the character but rather how time travel works in this universe. Every character in the world of Earthbound perfectly remembers what you did and thanks you for saving them despite all the time travel shenanigans, it's not something unique to Ness.

Astral Projection (Can be project himself into Magicant, which is a universe created by the ideas and dreams within his mind)
Subjective Reality (Created Magicant from his dreams and brought it to life)

Are we assuming Magicant is a real life realm or one he's astral projecting into? It can't really be both. Well I guess it could but I don't remember that being the case.

Reality Warping and Time Manipulation (if Ness’ powers were able to match Giygas, he should be able to attack across time)

What? Why? And why are we even assuming that they did, given Ness doesn't scale to Giygas? Hell if he could attack across time there wouldn't even be a point to traveling back to the past, would there?

Void Manipulation and Darkness Manipulation (Survived and fought in Giygas’ dimension, after he erased Paula’s prayers)

Are you taking "Paula's prayer was absorbed by the darkness" as literally meaning that voidhax is happening? It's clearly just a poetic way to impress that nobody heard it. Even if it was hax it's not being targeted at the characters themselves, nothing implies they're in danger from that.

Fear Manipulation (Pokey states if anyone were to ever see Giygas, they would petrify in fear)

This isn't fearhax, it's just that Giygas is really scary.

Additional possible Speed Feat:

• Speed: Immeasurable or Omnipresent (Since Ness became the system of fate and the universe, he should have immeasurable speed, as the Truth of The Universe travels to different Universes like a grain and wave. Ness Abso absorbed Magicant, a land of immeasurable area and infinite size)
  • Grain (Particle): Suggests it can be localized, individual, and concrete.
  • Wave: Suggests it is diffuse, spreads out, and can be omnipresent.
• Agree:
• Disagree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @Username_uhhhIdontknow, @DarkDragonMedeus

Attack Potency: At least Multiverse level (Became one with the universe and the system of fate, which can travel to other universes like a grain and wave. This is when Ness defeated his Nightmare and absorbed Magicant)

• Agree:
• Disagree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @DarkDragonMedeus

I agree with Oblivion in regards to these.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Alright. In the meantime:

I disagree with Social Influencing here, it's not really anything Ness is doing outside of just being a good guy and listening to them that earns their friendship. I might be mistaken in the case of the first two scans though since they're not in English.

Check again now

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

We require scans for our profiles to be in the English language. All the links to Spanish let's plays have to be replaced.

Done

 

[Armorchompy]

I'd say it's still probably more the game's tone than Ness being particularly charismatic.

 

[SnakesCity]

Are we assuming Magicant is a real life realm or one he's astral projecting into? It can't really be both. Well I guess it could but I don't remember that being the case.

In Mother 1 Magicant is like another realm that can be accessed via the real world but in Earthbound it's explicitly said to exist within' Ness' mind so i don't think it'd be astral projection at all. Subjective reality should be fine tho since Ness is able to take items from Magicant back into the waking world.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

In Mother 1 Magicant is like another realm that can be accessed via the real world but in Earthbound it's explicitly said to exist within' Ness' mind so i don't think it'd be astral projection at all. Subjective reality should be fine tho since Ness is able to take items from Magicant back into the waking world.

Understood

 

[Armorchompy]

In Mother 1 Magicant is like another realm that can be accessed via the real world but in Earthbound it's explicitly said to exist within' Ness' mind so i don't think it'd be astral projection at all. Subjective reality should be fine tho since Ness is able to take items from Magicant back into the waking world.

This might be right yeah. I love EB but I haven't played it in years so i don't remember the specifics

 

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[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

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[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

You have enough votes to apply what has been accepted.

Ohhh, I thought you need other people to vote.. but I forgot mods are enough

 

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