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Fr get one like Mori he'll do anything you say including keep his own suicidal ass alive and eat you alive
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Mori Dans non-duality and Mujin Parks resistance additions
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Well, as Yeolban said, after Mujin and Mori became the world, many dualities were revealed to us, aren't these enough to consider dualities as the laws of nature?
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me after I eat my girlfriend alive and get inflicted with irreparable trauma (I do whatever she asks of me)
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I insist on thinking that there is no way to appeal to girls.
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1. be mori
2. be mori
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I'll be mujin and change humanity
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you are NOT himI'll be mujin and change humanity
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I don't know how to take this in a proper way, literally there is only that sentence without any kind of context to support it, it is not specified when it was, if it was when mori ascended to nirvana or before or how he was shown after that.
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yes yes I am
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When this happened, mori ascended to nirvana
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This was before Mori entered heaven like, a long time before that. It refers to Mori and Mujin and after this scene they have a fist fight and Mujin dies. I can try to give you more context if you want but idk what specifically you're searching for
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Scans can be sent that show the full context, but the key is Nirvana Mori before he ascended to the Nirvana plane itself.
So it's kind of like
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Not exactly. Mori already had Nirvana but didn't ascend to heaven (the "Nirvana realm") yet. He had a whole fight with Mujin and discussion with Ahan before ascending to the Nirvana realm.
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What I'm talking about is not heaven, but nirvana, which is form.
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So the situation is, mori achieved nirvana, thanks to that power he became the absolute god, thanks to that power he became the world and defeated mujin and then he could access the Nirvana Realm. That would make sense if it weren't for the fact that the scan then casts complete doubt on the act of becoming the world.
We have to "Only those who have reached nirvana can come here, so mori has no ties with the world".
Then, Mori would create the balance of the world as the all-powerful god right after he had reached the nirvana realm.
Then
It gives the implication that mori in principle could not oversee the whole creation if it were not for the fact that he is in that place.
Because he is in the nirvana realm and can oversee and control creation from that place implies that the nirvana realm as mori has no restrictions from the world and the "true god" refers to him controlling creation as the new god.
We have that the fact that he became the world is related to the fact of what was to come when he entered the nirvana realm which ended up meaning that mori could simply control the creation and be the new god not that he himself is the world as such since if he had been the world the same realm would not imply that only from that place can oversee and control the creation nor that it would allow mori to become the new god. I still stand my point that the realm was the one who give mori the power to became the god, not himselft. So opinion unchaged.
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Mori reached nirvana in form, he reached nirvana after his war with Mujin was over.
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Moris ties to the world get cut upon entering the paradise (the Nirvana realm) which he only does 1 whole fight after "becoming the world". So Mori in the final fight with Mujin became the world, then ascended beyond that form to an "absolute existence" afterwards. Meaning the 2 don't actually contradict themselves.
Because when he ascends to that place is when his body changes. The context behind the whole place is this:
People who achieve Nirvana end up in the paradise (or heaven, the Nirvana realm).
When they decide to stay in the paradise beyond Nirvana they become a Buddha - an absolute existence and an all powerful spirit who perceives all of creation in a form in Golden tablets.
So it's not that him being in that place results in the power to oversee all of creation, but the other way around. His power is what results in him being in that place.
That actually factually CAN'T be the case because it's not just Mori who became the world. THEY as in Mori AND Mujin became the world and Mujin not only never achieved Nirvana or entered the Nirvana realm, Mujin straight up died at the end of the fight with Mori only after which Mori entered the Nirvana realm.
That is definitely not the case. It's due to nirvana itself.
All that's in the Nirvana realm are these golden tablets.
We see that when Mori interacts with them what's displayed on them is directly affected (moving a golden tablet completely shakes up the space inside and inserts a silhouette)
Not only is this point in space but also a point in the past as this is an event we've seen happen on screen exactly 60 chapters before this scene.
In other words, "all of creation" here are clearly the golden tablets and is referring not just to the universe but the entire timeline itself. This is something that can only logically be a result of his physiology changing as he can easily grab, move, and control these tablets when while he wasn't in the Nirvana realm he was actually within them. This makes sense as the Nirvana realm is described to be the "place where time and space overlap" or "where time and space are nested" (depending on translation).
What I'm getting at is this: Imagine you have a book. You can interact with it, rewrite it, move it around, etc, thanks to your physiology. But if that book was in another room, you would need to enter that room in order to do so. That doesn't mean the room is what gives you the power to interact with the book. It just means the book is in that room. I'll make a TLDR that explains this in a more simple way shortly but I felt like giving the full context.
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So TL;DR:
The Nirvana realm is the place where time and space are "nested" or "overlap". So it's not that Mori can only oversee all of creation from the Nirvana realm because the realm gives him that power, but because that's where all of creation literally is stored. Same way you wouldn't be able to use your phone while the phone is in another room.
So Moris power isn't granted by the realm, and him and Mujin becoming the world has no ties to Mori eventually ascending.
The Nirvana realm is the place where time and space are "nested" or "overlap". So it's not that Mori can only oversee all of creation from the Nirvana realm because the realm gives him that power, but because that's where all of creation literally is stored. Same way you wouldn't be able to use your phone while the phone is in another room.
So Moris power isn't granted by the realm, and him and Mujin becoming the world has no ties to Mori eventually ascending.
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did we completely forget about this scan?
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No, these scans were posted several times in both the downgrade crt and this one, so no one forgot. And in fact, if you go back to some messages you will see that the scan was being discussed.
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I mean
It kinda was forgotten. It's why I had to go over the whole context and how everything in the Nirvana realm works.
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If they have become the World itself, this only provides duality based AE Type 1 and NEP Nature Type 3. They are not independent of dualities, but they have become duality itself. This is exactly what I suggested in the previous thread.
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Yes, they have these rights. But Mori still had not ascended to heaven. When he ascended to heaven, he was completely independent from the world, which means that he was independent of dualities.
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To summarize, it is exactly like this. Mujin and mori became world, so they should get ae 1 and nep nature type 3. After this war, Mori ascends to the heavenly realm and his relationship with the world and the laws of nature is completely cut off. The state of mori that has ascended to the heavenly realm will have nd, while the state of mori that has not ascended to the heavenly realm will have nep and ae.
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Satan is mujins victim
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CodeCCLL
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No, in the scan itself, Just like most beliefs, there is a cosmology consisting of Earth + Heaven. Heaven and Earth are stated as a duality, that is, it is stated that dualities are actually part of the verse cosmology that includes Heaven and Earth, not just the Earth itself. So it is still not independent from dualities.
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It is definitely and clearly mentioned that ok mori is independent of this. completely independent of the world and the laws of nature
