Mooooom! Phineas and Ferb are BEEG.

[Bobsican]

As said before Reality Equalization can't apply here given precedents and general standards limiting its use, if convenience is the issue then the changes can be put on hold until new calculations are made, the verse doesn't really have that many pages anyways.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I disagree, but it also depends on what other staff members think.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, SamanPatou and Mr. Bambu are already fine with a Possibly rating for this stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

They commented long before I did though. I would like to see some feedback from them first.

 

[DaReaperMan]

They commented long before I did though. I would like to see some feedback from them first.

They accepted it long before you brought up something not even on the page you're trying to reference to reject this. I want to see size equalization on the pages before I accept your reality equalization thing on the matter.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Noted.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

(for the record, I don't think Ant's position is insane or even particularly unreasonable, but I'm still fine with listing this as a possibility on their profile, silly though it is)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but only as "Possibly Large Size" then? Not as recalculated giant-size statistics for the entire cast?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah, we only ever accepted this as a "possibly" rating. It is very dumb, but. It's what the show has.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, I don't have to explain that having 50-foot-sized tier 10 characters is quite a non-sequitur, so some keys would be required at least.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Notably, the cast of Phineas and Ferb don't appear to be Tier 10. They're 8-B.

 

[EnderLord8]

following

 

[Bobsican]

Notably, the cast of Phineas and Ferb don't appear to be Tier 10. They're 8-B.

Not quite.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Uh...

IIRC there was another thread that was meaning to upgrade the rest of the cast to 8-B scaling to Perry and Doofenshmirtz. Though, I've heard that this rating is far from better feats present in the series that have yet to be documented here.

 

[Bobsican]

Also, I'm sure their size change would still affect their Speed and Lifting Strength in any case.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Since they’re (“possibly”) 15.24 meters tall, we can amplify their speed and physicals via multiplying as per guidelines here… I don’t see why not.

 

[Antvasima]

Since they’re (“possibly”) 15.24 meters tall, we can amplify their speed and physicals via multiplying as per guidelines here… I don’t see why not.

@Mr. Bambu

This is what I was afraid of here.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

While we're on that, strictly speaking any calculations of the verse for AP would also require recalculations as their scale would simply be inaccurate, namely for feats after this incident that expanded the literal scale size-wise of the setting.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that just listing "possibly Large Size" seems sufficient, but not assume that all of them are much more powerful. That would be to go too far.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Mr. Bambu

This is what I was afraid of here.

I mean. Giving them the AP of a 15+ meter individual would be fine. That'd only be 9-B, though. I think that's still fine as a possibility.

(I never consciously saw this ping, for the record; I am sorry for holding up the thread)

 

[Antvasima]

I think that they are currently 8-B when assumed to be of regular size though.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I think that they are currently 8-B when assumed to be of regular size though.

The linked page wouldn't give them a multiplier to that potency. We don't strictly accept just being x-times larger as being x-times stronger, we never have. The change would give them a ("possibly"-attached) speed buff under this reading, though, since we do accept that.

 

[Antvasima]

But wouldn't the calculated attack potency feats that they scale from also have to be upgraded in terms of energy output?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That would depend on what those feats are. I'm not a Phineas and Ferb man, myself. But, feasibly, yeah, if performed after this possible size upscale happened.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. I am still not sure about this, as it only happened in one single episode and was not referenced again in other regular episodes.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't think that's an unreasonable contention. Your vote would make it 2:1, so this wouldn't pass without further staff input.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Going back to this, I don’t have a particularly strong stance on this, nor a compelling argument, but I do think it’s interesting to see other people argue for it.

 

[Cropfist]

Interesting

 

[FinePoint]

This is obviously a very silly concept, but perhaps fitting for a very silly show. I can't think of any logical argument against it which doesn't just boil down to us wanting to avoid work, and it is indeed brought up again, and any inconsistencies are explained via the fact they didn't know it happened.

So, I would support it straight-up, but for the sake of efficiency, I'd also be fine with a "Possibly."

 

[Antvasima]

Sigh. I seem to be outvoted then, but I still do not personally like it.

Since it seems like we are going to apply this, which calculations need to be recalculated based on the increased size and mass for all of the characters in the verse?

 

[Entity]

So in the film where they travel through other dimensions, the dimension with the evil Dooferschmitz is beeg too?

 

[Antvasima]

So in the film where they travel through other dimensions, the dimension with the evil Dooferschmitz is beeg too?

Good point. That does not seem consistent.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

It checks out in a strange way with the 5th dimensional alien baby in It’s A Mud Mud Mud Mud World. During the first encounter (10:33), Doof and the investors are shown with the baby to be of similar size. But every appearance post Season 2 has the baby in some backwards other-dimensional logic, the baby is shown to be much larger. I believe this is the only instance of other universes being introduced prior to the movie, so it doesn’t contradict the initial height theory, especially since the other universes in the P&F mutliverse are shown to be vastly different to the og in many ways and consitently showing varying sizes.

The gang for example is shown being as small enough to run on a man’s belly and then being shown to parkour over planets, etc.

Addressing dimensional heights here.

 

[IDK3465]

Addressing dimensional heights here.

Shouldn’t this also apply to time travel as well? Because there are a lot of times throughout both P&F and MML where we see people going into the past before everything grew (mainly Balthazar and Vinnie’s various escapades) despite themselves coming from after the event happened.

 

[FinePoint]

Shouldn’t this also apply to time travel as well? Because there are a lot of times throughout both P&F and MML where we see people going into the past before everything grew (mainly Balthazar and Vinnie’s various escapades) despite themselves coming from after the event happened.

I hadn't considered this.

If there's multiple examples of this, it would probably be good evidence to say this probably isn't valid.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So in the film where they travel through other dimensions, the dimension with the evil Dooferschmitz is beeg too?

I would consider this valid grounds to reject this but I'd need to see evidence.

 

[FinePoint]

If someone sends valid scans of the size being inconsistent both across dimensions and via time travel, as has been implied, I will also change to rejection.

 

[Antvasima]

I hadn't considered this.

If there's multiple examples of this, it would probably be good evidence to say this probably isn't valid.

Yes. Agreed.

 

[Bobsican]

But are there? Burden of proof and all, given that quite a while has passed without such evidence being brought up.

 

[IDK3465]

But are there? Burden of proof and all, given that quite a while has passed without such evidence being brought up.

I was honestly kinda waiting on a verse supporter to bring the actual evidence up, but nobody has actually shown any clips so uh… sorry about that