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Monster Hunter General Discussion Thread.

Okay, seems like Akuma is just a straight up actually existing character in Wilds. You have to track him down by following a trail of dead Tempered Monsters before talking to him and getting a quest from him.
 
I still think he is non-canon, or should get a separate profile for him in Wilds instead of crosscaling SF
 
VoidGoji said:
I still think he is non-canon, or should get a separate profile for him in Wilds instead of crosscaling SF
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I never actually meant to imply legitimate cross-scaling but this seems to be a permanent addition to Wilds from what I could tell from a Google search so Akuma canonically exists in Monster Hunter just like he does in Street Fighter now. Considering all these updates come out at certain times that means Akuma scales to the Hunter who beat Zoh Shia. Speaking of which, did the question for High Rank Zoh Shia explain how it came back to life to be hunted again? There should only be one of it, right?
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Yeah, even a small piece of it can fully regenerate as long as it has access to an huge energy source such as the Dragontorch.
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On some Fatalis type shit, that's nasty. Clearly it isn't combat applicable since it can still be defeated by beating it enough but that's still insane.

Also MH Akuma is kind of busted. He basically one-shot the player character with the Raging Demon but didn't kill them, he has that side step teleporting thing which allows you to phase through attacks as long as the animation doesn't end inside of one and he just vanishes from sight once his quest is complete. Oh also the Hunter just like can literally transform into Akuma. Like its even noted in the story that they can just do that now as Alma is really confused by how they not only fight like him but also look exactly like him despite their voice being the same. I guess we're getting "Insert stats here, higher as Akuma" for them. 🤣
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
On some Fatalis type shit, that's nasty. Clearly it isn't combat applicable since it can still be defeated by beating it enough but that's still insane.
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It’s neat though, unless I’m missing or forgetting anything, the fact it’s noted to be only able to do this because of the energy from Dragontorch does make me wonder if if it’s conclusion in the story will be a special operation where it’s lead away from the Dragontorch into a confined area for our Hunter to permanently put an end to it.
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
It’s neat though, unless I’m missing or forgetting anything, the fact it’s noted to be only able to do this because of the energy from Dragontorch does make me wonder if if it’s conclusion in the story will be a special operation where it’s lead away from the Dragontorch into a confined area for our Hunter to permanently put an end to it.
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That would make sense. In that case should we just make that whole area part of Zoh Shia's standard equipment since it never fights away from it?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
That would make sense. In that case should we just make that whole area part of Zoh Shia's standard equipment since it never fights away from it?
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Not sure as it’s not like it straight up immediately dies away from the Dragontorch I believe, given it caused the collapse of Wyveria, nor do I think it uses it in combat like how other Guardians would go to consume Wyvern milk to replenish energy or create Wylk crystals by attacking puddles of it, afaik I think the area would just provide it with its limited powerful regeneration/resurrection that’s not combat applicable anyway.
 
Honestly this collab introducing a moveset with armor just makes me dream of a Digimon X Monster Hunter collab where you can become a humanoid Digimon.

Admittedly the idea, however unlikely it is, of a collab between the two on the side of MH has been on my mind since the Digimon X MH vpet collab made Laeus Greymon and Zino Garurumon, a cross between Greymon X Rathalos and Garurumon X Zinogre, and I just had that desire of “I kinda want to hunt them”, even if it would gameplay wise just be visual change exclusive for the quest.
 
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Infinity_Dragon said:
Honestly this collab introducing a moveset with armor just makes me dream of a Digimon X Monster Hunter collab where you can become a humanoid Digimon.

Admittedly the idea, however unlikely it is, of a collab between the two on the side of MH has been on my mind since the Digimon X MH vpet collab made Laeus Greymon and Zino Garurumon, a cross between Greymon X Rathalos and Garurumon X Zinogre, and I just had that desire of “I kinda want to hunt them”, even if it would gameplay wise just be visual change exclusive for the quest.
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That would be pretty fire, ngl.
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
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Also this shit is gonna make the Hunter even more broken than before. As if potential Street Fighter skill scaling wasn't absurd enough but this is literally outright teleportation.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
That would be pretty fire, ngl.

Also this shit is gonna make the Hunter even more broken than before. As if potential Street Fighter skill scaling wasn't absurd enough but this is literally outright teleportation.
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Legit I could see Agunimon and/or Lobomon perfectly fitting as Akuma like armor, both are humanoid with melee fighting styles, Aguni is a martial artist like Akuma while Lobo uses dual lightsabers, and humans can become them in the actual franchise via their spirits, though the later justification ain’t necessary given our Hunter can just straight up becomes Akuma…

We really just have to accept Wilds Hunter will have “can become Akuma” in their Power & Abilities for whenever they’re made and could potentially have more going forward…
 
Now that we got this type of collab, I genuinely wish we get a DMC collab with more than just layered armor/weapons. Let the Longsword weebs (me) do a proper Judgement Cut (not the release slash) in game
 
"Insert rating here, higher as Akuma" is literally how this is gonna work since that shit straight up made them stronger verbatim. XD
 
I wanna start using these super form names on the Monsters' profiles since they have actual names for their rage states.
 
For a moment, I got excited seeing the manual controls underwater. But then reality hit me like a bucket of ice water. I really wanted an underwater battle... ;--;
 
I guess it's asking too much for them to create an entirely new combat mode in the game just for Lagia. I just hope our beloved thunder croc has been completely reworked. Ever since they removed underwater battles, he’s felt like nothing more than a thunder Ludroth. He lost so much of his uniqueness.
 
The new renders look sexy as hell though. If I knew how to edit pictures on pages then I'd slap thesr new ones in right away since they got my bois looking good in Wilds.
 
Fought Lagiacrus last night, I would’ve captured it anyway but it’s nice to canonically capture the glorious beast and return it back to its original home as opposed to just killing it. Looking forward to fighting it version Tempered in a bit.
That Ultimate move is really cool but how should it be treated, just give it’s own calc later to see if we’ll get anything neat or just scale it to threatening the Post Zoh Shia battle Avis Hunter given they themselves state they have to stop and gameplay refer to it as a devastating attack that should be prevented? It’s takes awhile to unleash so I think it could be fine.

Steve was good as well, dunno if it because it’s been a bit since I played but his 5 star Tempered nearly triple cart me and I had to capture it to be safe. Gotta fight it more either way for that female armor.
I chuckled seeing Rey get so tired of its crap, slamming it down and point blank blasting it in the face.
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Fought Lagiacrus last night, I would’ve captured it anyway but it’s nice to canonically capture the glorious beast and return it back to its original home as opposed to just killing it. Looking forward to fighting it version Tempered in a bit.
That Ultimate move is really cool but how should it be treated, just give it’s own calc later to see if we’ll get anything neat or just scale it to threatening the Post Zoh Shia battle Avis Hunter given they themselves state they have to stop and gameplay refer to it as a devastating attack that should be prevented? It’s takes awhile to unleash so I think it could be fine.
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I feel like since its like a giant "screw you" wave of electricity in a location full of water that it should be like some kind of dura neg attack with insane AOE personally. Either that or this specific Lagiacrus is just built different since it canonically survives a long ass fight with someone who killed an Elder Dragon.
Infinity_Dragon said:
Steve was good as well, dunno if it because it’s been a bit since I played but his 5 star Tempered nearly triple cart me and I had to capture it to be safe. Gotta fight it more either way for that female armor.
I chuckled seeing Rey get so tired of its crap, slamming it down and point blank blasting it in the face.
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It's cool to see that Rey Dau is physically stronger than Seregios, a Monster who's supposed to be equal to Azure Rathalos as shown back in a 4U cutscene.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
We need to calc that shit ASAP!
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I did a very rough Low End calculation on a Google Doc to estimate how much energy it would take to boil just the walkable area of the map and nothing of the lagoon. It shakes out to:
  • 9e11 Joules
  • 215 tons of TNT
  • 8-A Multi-City Block level
Given that Lagiacrus and other equal-tier monsters currently scale to High 8-C, we can see an argument that this attack emits about 47× as much energy as the prior calculated strength. One could also argue that this AP doesn't scale to normal attacks as it's a scripted one-time-per-hunt thing.

XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I feel like since its like a giant "screw you" wave of electricity in a location full of water that it should be like some kind of dura neg attack with insane AOE personally. Either that or this specific Lagiacrus is just built different since it canonically survives a long ass fight with someone who killed an Elder Dragon.
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I took less than half my maximum health from the attack, so it's affected by defense. I have also been told that Divine Blessing affects the damage, as well, like with any other regular attack. It is definitely not a scripted one-shot, and even with the 8* Tempered version, any “one shot” happening there is due to the insane damage scaling rather than any inherent property of the attack itself.

The damage seems to be about on par with or a little bit higher than its other strong discharge moves, just with a much wider range. Personally, I don't think this would count for Durability Negation.

Rich987 said:
And what about Seregios dodging Rey Dau's raygun? The Lagia and Rathalos territory wars have 2 endings, one with each winning.
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It looks to me that either Seregios is dodging preemptively or it’s simply hard for Rey Dau to accurately aim at such a nimble foe. The Seregios does not appear to react to the literal lightning bolt after the shot is fired. It seems especially apparent this is the case at 0:14 in this video.

For all the strength and speed of its lightning, Rey Dau appears to need to lock itself into a direction before firing, giving its targets a chance to move out of the way before the lightning comes out. It tracks with Rey Dau's deliberate, graceful yet almost sluggish fighting style. That's my two cents, at least.
 
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Sigilavox said:
I did a very rough Low End calculation on a Google Doc to estimate how much energy it would take to boil just the walkable area of the map and nothing of the lagoon. It shakes out to:
  • 9e11 Joules
  • 215 tons of TNT
  • 8-A Multi-City Block level.
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Woah, if that’s a rough low end than we can expect a neat rating for the attack, which I also don’t think should be durability negation, regardless of how we’ll decide how we take it threatening the post Zho Shia Hunter.

XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Either that or this specific Lagiacrus is just built different since it canonically survives a long ass fight with someone who killed an Elder Dragon.
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To be fair, we’re trying to capture it so I doubt we’re aiming to inflict great damage while weakening it, would be screwed up to canonically leave too much damage that could screw it over once released back to its natural environment. Unless your hoping it’ll become a Deviant later and return with new gear to farm for.

Won’t deny the possibility this specific Lagiacrus could be tougher, from what I know the others need to have their electricity active to beat Rathalos while my boi in its intro shrugged off and charged through blows, even from its elemental weakness, and claimed its meal without using electricity. Clearly this Rathalos was agitated cause he couldn’t top the better Monster
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Woah, if that’s a rough low end than we can expect a neat rating for the attack, which I also don’t think should be durability negation, regardless of how we’ll decide how we take it threatening the post Zho Shia Hunter.


To be fair, we’re trying to capture it so I doubt we’re aiming to inflict great damage while weakening it, would be screwed up to canonically leave too much damage that could screw it over once released back to its natural environment. Unless your hoping it’ll become a Deviant later and return with new gear to farm for.

Won’t deny the possibility this specific Lagiacrus could be tougher, from what I know the others need to have their electricity active to beat Rathalos while my boi in its intro shrugged off and charged through blows, even from its elemental weakness, and claimed its meal without using electricity. Clearly this Rathalos was agitated cause he couldn’t top the better Monster
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I honestly think it would be easier to make this specific one just really strong since if the Hunter could casually dog walk Apex Tier Monsters after beating up a potential Black Dragon Tier Monster then they would have just one-tapped Lagiacrus and been done with it, not to mention this canonically happens after the Akuma quest who is also stronger than Zoh Shia was since he shit on us casually before we got stronger through unlocking our own Satsui No Hado, then this Lagiacrus showing it shrugs off an attack from its supposed rival even with a weakness to fire and it even has all these big ass super nukes like the underwater lightning tornado and the wave of electricity then yeah, bro is just built different. I wouldn't be surprised if this dude was already a Deviant of some sort, especially after Wilds Mizutsune starts using Soulsear moves in its fight after getting its shit rocked too.
 
This would scale any post-launch monster from any game to elder-level by the logic you are currently using here just because they can kill/one-shot the hunter. It's just game mechanics
 
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