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Monkey D. Luffy vs Acnologia

@Rag - we were saying that Acnologia has no feats of his own that are above City level and I said that his stat for Small Island come from scaling above Natsu.
 
really, tenrou is a large island, acno blew it completely off the map with a single attack. if city is > large island, then acno is city.
 
i kinda doubt that they took perspective into account. also acno didnt just blew the face of the island, it destroyed it below sea level.

the island was big enough to wander around and not encounter each other for quite a while, getting lost even. thats above small island, medium at least.
 
It depends how you destroy it. Considering that he didn't destroy the entirety of the actual island and sent rock-sized particles flying everywhere, it was via violent fragmentation. If anything, they treated it as though he blew the island itself up, when in reality, it would be a Small City level feat at best since he only blew up a portion of the island and parted the water and destroyed a small part of the land underneath.

The island is not large at all. It's only several kilometers in diameter. It's a small island (not on our scale for "small island"... don't look at the names of the tiers so literally)
 
It depends how you destroy it. - i agree.

Considering that he didn't destroy the entirety of the actual island - except that there was absolutely no sign of it left. rarely anyone destroys anything that clean in anime.

also i dont think they calculated the depth. it destroyed everything to the bottom of the sea level.
 
its better shown at least what happens in the manga then the anime so heres an image of the attack.

http://*********.me/manga/fairy-tail/s1/v30/c253/14

It is implied that he would of destroyed the island had it not been for Mavis's defensive spell sheilding it. I personally believe he could destroy a small island and do some good damage in an island like Dressrosa. no he wouldn't be able to destroy it in one hit but he could probably do some good damage with just the force of the explosion.

Luffy had to dodge the dragon on PH fire breath and here's the size of Igneel's attack.

http://*********.me/manga/fairy-tail/s1/v47/c401/12

http://*********.me/manga/fairy-tail/s1/v47/c401/13

considering that Achnologi was completely uneffective by it so he could probably take most of Luffy's attack.
 
@JBennett - Destroying Tenrou Island =/= Island level. There was a calc already done via Violent Fragmentation, and it resulted in City level. If you do the calc based on Acnologia's size on the panel, it's a Large Town feat.

Also, stating that the dragon on PH is > Acnologia and that Luffy NEEDED to dodge it is ridiculous. Dodging is a reflex used out of caution and the desire to avoid taking damage. Acnologia's Attack Potency is not high enough to kill Luffy in one blow, in fact, in Gear 4th, Luffy would resist almost all of Acnologia's attacks with little to no damage due to Island level Durability. And with the newly revealed "Tankma", Luffy is capable of nullifying attacks from people such as Cracker, who is stated by Luffy to have superior Armament haki compared to Doflamingo

The only way to make this fight fair is restricting Gear 4th, which would stomp Acnologia via stats.

Against Base Luffy, Acnologia stands a chance... Against Gear 4th: Bounce Man, he gets stomped... Against Gear 4th: Tank-Man, he's never going to put a scratch on Luffy.

If this thread doesn't make Luffy restricted to Base, it needs to be closed due to it being a stomp.
 
useing tankman as an actual version is rediculous because its only a thing because of the course of the battle not an actual mode that he created during the two years, its something he came up with after consumeing Cracker's soilders its not something he can just get into that easily, just like Nightmare Luffy or Water Luffy.

I know that acnnologia's breath attack isn't Island buster but that with it he could easily do masive damage on the surface on Dressrosa. plus if him potentially blowing up Tenroujima is only city level how the hell is Luffy a Island level if all he did is uplifted multiple blockes After KKG. you can't have one attack weaker then what it looks like and th other more stronger then it looks like because its inconsistant. and don't say its because of his durability Luffy is able to resist Physical blows because of his Rubber Body not because he is strong enough to handle them so that shouldn't be the reason. I know that he didn't 'need' to dodge PH dragon but he decided to so that means that he would of been introuble if he got hit by it and if thats the case then if anyone of Achnologia's more powerful breaths hit him then its going to do some damage, he isn't resistant to explosions so the attack will effect him. Achnologia was complety uneffective by a Half Dead Igneel's Fire Breath so most of Luffy attack, baring Gear 4 I'll admit, won't be much affective againts Achnologia.

even if Achnologi is only at High 7A then bound man is not something that will completely kill him just because he hit him a couple of times and only KKG would really be the one to do the most damage and that takes time to set up which I'm sure achnologia wouldn't just stand or float in one spot waiting for the attack If Luffy stands in one spot for too long I don't care how much damage he can take, he will be in trouble and open to Achnologia's attacks. But since Achnologia's at "At Least" High7A then its a good possiblity that he's higher mayby even the same level as Gear 4 so to say that its a stomp is technically incorrect no matter how you slice it.
 
Like I've been saying I don't think that Achnologia will easily take this, I can infact see Luffy winning, its just that if Luffy fails to Take out Achnologia permenitly during the few minutes that Luffy has in Gear 4 Achnologia will kill him if he's still alive and awake he won't take his time gathering his strength because he doesn't feel threating by Luffy. He will attack him with the strongest attack he can dish out at the moment he realiz that Luffy is tired and end it ass soon as he can.
 
I don't think you understand that someone who is of a higher tier can easily overwhelm the defenses and offenses of their opponent. Gear 4th Luffy is MUCH stronger than Acnologia in Gear 4th via scaling to Doflamingo, who could contend with the likes of Aokiji and Fujitora. He wouldn't need an actual fighting ground to face Acnologia since he can fly with Gear 4th.

You seem to forget that Luffy was fighting Cracker for 11 hours, and part of the time, he was using Bounce Man, which didn't incapacitate him in this arc like it did in Dressrosa. In the "few minutes" (minimum time where he was shown using Gear 4th was 20 minutes in the manga) he's in Gear 4th, he is going to pummel Acnologia and stomp him.

Also, Tank Man is a variation of Gear 4th. "Full Version" is a joke considering he is literally full of food, so he's obese.

a Small Island gets stomped by a Island level character unless the gap between them is literally the border between the tiers.

Luffy is Island level with attacks like Kong Gun and Leo Bazooka since he can greatly damage characters like Doflamingo and destroy Cracker's Biscuit soldiers with one punch, even if they are using haki
 
the 'confrontation' between Dofy and Aokiji/Fujitora were either just a brief battle of wills or just a quick clash of light attacks(unless I am missing a confrontation between Doffy and Fuji). to say that he confronted them is a stretch since no battle actually happened, so we can't say that he's as strong as them. If your telling me that Fujitora's and Dofy's clash had enough power to destroy at least a small Island then theres something I'm missing, cuase I'm questioning why is the palace still standing if thats the case?

I know of Fujitora's Raging tiger attack but he didn't use it againts Dofy. the same can be said about Dofy's Bird cage, it was strong enough to push Fuji but to say that its stronger in AP is wrong since most of Fuji's attacks comes from his DF powers i.e. Rageing Tiger.

The way this is place out when figuring out Luffy's level its making it out that Luffy can handle Admrial class people like Aokiji or Fujitora to a point which I doubt is the case, which is proven correct when he was unable to give Fujitora a hard time during their fight.

oh I didn't remember about the twenty minute skip that my mistake, I know of the 11 hour battle but since the details about the battle was mostly unknown I didn't really think much about it so I mostly just used Doffy's battle.
 
Aokiji froze Doflamingo with his powers. Doflamingo casually broke free from Aokiji's ice, albeit he was somewhat out of breath.

Doflamingo should be much more of a match to Fujitora than Base Luffy was. Luffy was just finished recovering from his fight with Doflamingo and managed to put up a challenge against Fujitora, making him exert himself and break into a sweat while breathing heavily after applying Ferocious Tiger.

I'm pretty certain that we left the "Likely" on their tiers since we don't have any calculation or actual feats that would suggest that they are at that tier, but considering that Luffy and Doflamingo should be comparable to Fujitora (and other characters like Jozu and Aokiji in the case of Doflamingo), they are likely Island level in AP and Durability.
 
so you assume that their Island level base on little information? wasn't that precicely what I did with achnologia when I asssumed he was stronger then his current level? so why is this acceptible but my assumsion wasn't? Not that I really care at this point.

luffy was weaker then Doffy throughout the whole battle, it took him combining with Law just to handle him, Luffy was only able to handle him after Doffy took much damage from the different attack from Law and Luffy himself. Luffy temporary surppresed him when he was him Gear 4 so to say that Luffy is at Doffy's level is a slight stretch.

Luffy wasn't giving Fuji a challenge by anymeans, all Fuji did was blocked,quite easily might I add, all of Luffy's attacks without attack beyond Rageing Tiger, pluse saying that Luffy is Fuji's level is saying that he's already top tear which is unlikely to be honest.

There's a difference between sepical attack and physical attacks, most of the characters of OP has mroe attack power then defence power case inpoint Enel, his Lightning attacks has more damage output then what he can take. one can doo more damgae with a 'wepon' of some sorts like a blade or a DF in this series but to say that they can take the same amount of damage as they can dishout is a stretch since most of the attacks are not directly physical in this series at least.

take Luffy for example, Luffy is not only strong but can take a lot of damge, however the amount of damage he can take is different depending on the type of attack, he's strong to blunt and electricity but is weak to slashes and explosions to a certin degree, not only that but he is also suceptible to peircing type damage as like SKG from Rob or the fishman karate from Jimbe.

Pluse one doesn't need to do an island level attack do damage an Island durability person since Durability here is simply how much damage you can take to survive not how much damage it takes to damage them, i.e. Doffy is Island level but yet he is damage from Luffy's Red hawk which is not Island level.

most battles are not trying to overwelm ones opponent with a certin level of force to kill him in 'one' blow but withering them down to a point that they can knowck them down, its the case in both series. so Just because one is able to defeat an apponent does not mean that they are stronger the the loser just that they came out on top.

You know what, I'm done this is just getting rediculus at this point since aparently you don't actaully need to destroy an island to be an Island level(which ironicly contridics to what everyone been saying about Achnologia in a way) but I digress. do what you wish here, this is just getting rediculous.
 
Luffy and doffy are no match for fujitora as of now. They are no admiral level. Just wanted to point that out. Trading few blows =\= being comparable, otherwise Croco would be comparable to Mihawk level, then Mihawk is jozu level, who could fight Aokiji, who is comparable to Akainu, who can fight Whitebeard. Croco is comparable to whitebeard! Then Luffy beat croco, Luffy is whitebeard Level! (If you want, I can get that for doffy as well).
 
@Jbennett - Unlike Acnologia, who simply powerscales above FDK Natsu (without even having fought him), Doflamingo scales to Jozu and Aokiji and being vastly superior to all of the known Vice Admirals of the marines (except for Otsuru and Garp, who are supposedly Sengoku's equals).

Even though Doflamingo was injured, Base Luffy was capable of applying superficial injury to him with singular punches and kicks, giving him Small Island+ Attack Potency. Luffy was also capable of shoving Fujitora back with Gear 3rd punches and kicks, and managed to withstand Ferocious Tiger, which is a Small Island attack, further supporting his AP and Durability in base.

With Gear 4th, he was brutalizing Doflamingo, causing clear damage even if Doflamingo managed to mitigate the impact via blocking with his arms and haki. He was later one-shot by King Kong Gun, albeit both being at the very least moderately fatigued from their fights.

You see, Doflamingo and Luffy are both scaling to eachother, and to Island level or even higher characters. I'm not saying they are Top tier, but they are not fodder to someone like and old Whitebeard or Akainu. If they are even 10% as strong as someone like Aokiji, they'd still be Island level.

Also, Fujitora is not yet proven to be on the same level as Kizaru or Akainu, but due to his lifting feat and scaling to Akainu, he is currently "At least Island level" until further notice.

By the way... you should refer to this if you want to argue that Acnologia is Island level for "busting Tenrou Island": https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lina_Shields/Mountain_level_and_Island_level - we had a massive discussion about this and destroying an island doesn't automatically make you island level.

@PaChi2 - Crocodile actually got upgraded to Small Island level due to being capable of not being fodderized by Doflamingo, Jozu, Akainu and Mihawk... all 3 of them are at least 6-C in tier. He tanked a punch from Jozu, deflected a blow from Mihawk, fought Doflamingo off-panel for some time, and managed to be relevant in the fight between Akainu and the WB commanders without being killed.

It isn't enough to suggest he is Island level himself, but i do find it to be a plot hole that he got beaten by Alabasta Luffy and here he comes deflecting attacks from Island+ level characters. I'm wondering if he was given a punching bag in prison to train XD kidding of course.
 
I don't see Luffy losing to Acnologia

Not even PTS Luffy could lose to acnologia. While Acnologia has shown impressive feats that far surpasses Natsu's. Luffy was capable of blitzing lightning god with an extra 70 tons on him. He should be at the very least massively hyper sonic in his base form,considering he outran a liquid explosion without breaking a sweat (punk hazard)

http://i.imgur.com/e9ypCNM.jpg

And Luffy in his second gear has shown to annoy Doflamingo,who can dodge meteorites at point blank range.

Luffy completely destroys Acnologia when it comes to speed;

Power? Again,i'd give it to Luffy. Why?

Because Luffy would literally carry Dragon Acnologia and throw him away with relative ease. He pushed two skyscrapers apart back in Enies lobby,and was shown to carry sea kings and swing them around like toys back in the arlong park.And even one shot them at several occasions. What makes it even funnier is the fact that the animals in amazon lily are all Haki armed and yet they couldn't beat a blindfolded Luffy under training. Not to mention Luffy's timesip third gear is far superior to his older one.

He was able to break through a Noah,a ship that isn't even slightly bugged by the pressure of 10.000 underwater,and that gives the ship an insane durability level. Also considering that Luffy's elephant gatling gun was punching about mach 15+ in that pressure ,it should be much faster in the regular grounds. His hardening haki isn't anything to toy with either,he can literally punch through overheats ,which are shown to burn through iron walls like a hot knife through butter. Luffy's conqueror haki may not be effective against Acnologia,sure. But his Manta/Observation haki allowed him to predict light speed movement,well,multiple beams that are confirmed to be based off of Kizaru's attacks ,which are light speed.

Needless i to mention the fact that Luffy survived a punch that literally obliterated an island from Moria.

http://i.imgur.com/PETQZwh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GUYbcGN.jpg Timeskip Luffy would obliterate Acnologia. And i don't see this senario going any differently even with a plot armor to Acno's side
 
Akuto Sai12 said:
Acnologia >>>prime Igneel=Luffy FP>>> half dead MHS dragons
He also has some hax and limited invulnerability

Acnologia mid diff
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Wrong. Acnologia hasn't even shown feats that surpasses Moria's (physically) look at my comment above this one to know what Moria could do in PTS,and how Luffy took it with a zero amount of cares given. He wasn't even hurt. Luffy's reply was "that weak attack won't work on me. Because i'm a rubber man"

WEAK. He called an island shattering attack "weak" before the timesip even. I'd say current Luffy is at the very least country level when it comes to durability. I even posted about it in Luffy's page to corrent a few things.

/IF/ and i'm saying IF acnologia's soul hax wasn't limited to dragons,he would've actually stand a chance.
 
@Thatdudloo - actually, you can't just make the assumption that Moriah = or > Acnologia based off of his "island splitting feat" considering that splitting/fragmenting an island that size would not even come close to City level. Looking at the calc that's on his page, Moriah's feat was Town level.

You're also supposed to refer to Acnologia and Luffy's current tiers, not assuming based on how you view their feats.
 
^ Hahahahaha - please tell me i'm not the only one seeing this. a Small Island with Mach 400 speed blitzing and one shotting an Island who is Mach 630+
 
CinCameron20 said:
^ Hahahahaha - please tell me i'm not the only one seeing this. a Small Island with Mach 400 speed blitzing and one shotting an Island who is Mach 630+
Click to expand...
You aren't the only one seeing this.
 
If that's the case, I'll bring up my points for just Base Luffy.

Luffy still has a comfortable speed advantage (at least until we get something new from Acnologia) since he can react to and dodge/block attacks from Doflamingo.

Both will be able to trade blows and tank them effectively, but Luffy's resistance to heat and blunt force will mitigate the impact from his normal physical attacks (as long as they are not bites or claw swipes, though if he tried to eat Luffy, there would be a huge digestion problem).

Acnologia is a bigger target and might rampage on the battlefield, and since there is no battlefield listed, i'm assuming that Central Park is the starting position and the city of Manhattan is still the go-to default battleground.

Luffy would still end up winning this fight high difficulty due to being able to utilize the battleground more effectively due to his size and he would be able to always know where Acnologia is even in human form due to Kenbushoku haki + his resistance to blunt force and heat being a factor when it comes to them taking eachother's hits. He is also faster (until Acnologia gets a new speed feat... or even an upgrade) by a big margin.
 
@Cin I agree with your post in general, but let me make a few corrections (and a question):

Resistance to heat is meaningless, since Acno doesn't have any heat-based attacks. And besides, when did Luffy demonstrate resistance to heat anyway?

Also, Acno mainly attacks with his claws and breath in dragon form, sometimes with bites. In human form, he tends to use energy attacks alongside hand-to-hand, and his CQC doesn't seem to use a lot of blunt force in the first place.

Regardless of all of that, Luffy wins due to precog and Acno being extremely arrogant, as well as the speed advantage.
 
@NotEvenHuman - Luffy can use Red-hawk without harming himself despite emitting flames directly from his arm, and pre time-skip, Enel melted gold and immediately fused it to Luffy's arm. Luffy did not have any visible burn marks after it came off and he only freaked out at first. I'm just saying any heat-based attacks that Acnologia happens to have later on will not prove very effective.

Acnologia's claws and teeth would be the only thing useful in this fight as tail swipes and smashing his body into Luffy would do very little.
 
That doesn't automatically mean he has resistance to heat.

Energy attacks would also hurt, and Acnologia's tail has a blade-shaped tip that would definitely hurt Luffy.
 
@Omega - uhm, then go make a blog about a "speed upgrade" and Acnologia is already MHS. Base Luffy can't fly but his fist can hit opponents from kilometers away.
 
using bare fists to hit someone from kilometers away makes it very easy for the target not only to dodge, but to bite those arms off.
 
@PaChi - given that Base Luffy is capable of keeping pace with Doflamingo and evade his strikes, a Gear 2nd punch would be too fast for Acnologia to dodge and counter in quick succession given that Luffy's fist comes right back as soon as it reaches its outer limit. Also, he could wait for Acnologia to use an attack before grabbing a hold of him and then slingshot himself towards him where he can strike him.

Even if he is in mid-air (without access to Gear 4th), Luffy is more than capable enough to defend against Acnologia's attacks if he happens to screw up, even if it is a breath attack.
 
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