Monika vs. Alice (SMT)

[Jinsye]

"Script: She can edit the "script" of the game at will, therefore deciding every event that happens within the game. At her maximum potential, she could accidentally force the Player to stay inside the classroom and next to Yuri's corpse for two days straight and she could drastically alter the behavior and personality of her friends. She can even completely erase the script, leaving the world as a timeless place where nothing can happen against her will."

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, it litiraly says rhthat he had do because the script was broken

 

[Sceptilespy]

@Edwardtruong2006

Thanks for clarifying. I should probably check out the profile again.

@Risci-viragosi

??? Could you please make that more coherent.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Monika states that he was stuck there due to the script breaking

 

[Sceptilespy]

Monika states that he was stuck there due to the script breaking

Huh ok. Good to know.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Wouldent her being able to keep deleting files after end game give her mid godly or nonexictense?

 

[Sceptilespy]

Wouldent her being able to keep deleting files after end game give her mid godly or nonexictense?

No. She likely wouldn't last mucher longer in that state according to her profile. Besides, she'd actually need to be able to regenerate from what happened in order to get Mid-godly. Let's say she regenerates from the conditions she was left in though, then she'd DEFINITELY be mid-godly. Maybe High-godly if you want to highball the feat and say she destroyed and subsequently restored reality.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No dude, at the end of the game she destroys every file in the game, and redeletes them if you try to put them back whitout dleting and reuploading the game

 

[Jinsye]

Dude, she doesn't have mid-godly.

Yes, it's psuedo Mid-Godly but not actually Mid-Godly since she doesn't really regenerate. She just is kinda still there and able to exist while not existing.

Also, pretty sure Almighty attacks will easily bypass that.

 

[Sceptilespy]

No dude, at the end of the game she destroys every file in the game, and redeletes them if you try to put them back whitout dleting and reuploading the game

I think that's some weird form of game mechanics then, since she's canonically dead at that point.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

"Why did you put me back in, I dont want to suffer" That diesent seem a game mechanic to me...

 

[Sceptilespy]

"Why did you put me back in, I dont want to suffer"
That diesent seem a game mechanic to me...

Hum..., then it's outside help. Since Monika directly states we're the ones who put her back in, and as such, confirms she couldn't do it herself.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Hmm, if you put back the script only it still doesent go back to normal, instead showing a message by monika, but diesent that mean the player can erase nonexictence?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Die for me is spammable for a while btw.

 

[DodoNova2]

Yeah, Alice via Die for me, Higher AP AND Armagedon (Bypass Easily Mid Godly and type 8)

 

[Eganergo]

Alice FRA

 

[Sceptilespy]

Hmm, if you put back the script only it still doesent go back to normal, instead showing a message by monika, but diesent that mean the player can erase nonexictence?

Hmm, that's hard to determine. I may put together a CRT to see what this means, or I'll just ask Azzy

 

[Jinsye]

BUmp.

Can someone get me the vote count?

 

[DodoNova2]

• Alice: 2+ (DodoNova2, Eganergo) a lot of people have argued for Alice without voting for her

• Monika: 0

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Sceptilespy]

If it wasn't obvious, I'm voting for Alice FRA

 

[DodoNova2]

• Alice: 3+ (DodoNova2, Eganergo, Sceptilespy)

• Monika: 0

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Me too

 

[DodoNova2]

• Alice: 4+ (DodoNova2, Eganergo, Sceptilespy, Ricsi-viragosi )

• Monika: 0

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[MagiSinbad]

No, SMT's demons by themself cannot by pass the mid-godly regen, that's why they cannot kills each other. In order to kills the opponent, they requires a human leader, who can uses the power of Observation to nulifies the opponent's Mid-Godly regen so the demons can kill them. Alice is no exception to this.

Also, from a quick look on Monika's plot manipulation. It's look like it requires the opponent's in-universe data to perform the PM. Even if we goes with the verse equalization, i dont think that would affect Alice much. The demons of SMT are beings that originated from the Expanse ( or demon world/Makai), a chaotic world that transcended Time-space of the multiverse. That's why even the destruction of the multiverse (TD ending of SMT Nocturne) wont do much to them, they are still able to walk freely in the endless void where time is dead("dead" because Demi-Fiend killed it)

Anyway, my vote goes to Alice since she can kill Monika until Monika ran out of back up files

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

the player was affected by it, and he isnt part of the verse

 

[MagiSinbad]

the player was affected by it, and he isnt part of the verse

Ehhh... If i got the Monika's profile correctly, i dont think forcing Alice stay in the same universe with Monika would cause her any trouble in killing Monika.

In-fact, if this is in-character, Alice would LOVE to stay with Monika to the point asking her "to become Alice's friend"

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

monika uses plot manipulation to make someone go crazy and kil themself, she only did what she did cuz she was in love

 

[MagiSinbad]

monika uses plot manipulation to make someone go crazy and kil themself, she only did what she did cuz she was in love

So did she make the protagonist to kill themself or she only did that to Yuri ?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

he did it to yuri or natsuki depending on your choices. she also accidentaly forced the protagonist to stay in a room with a dead body for a weekend

 

[MagiSinbad]

That sound like fun to Alice, all of her friends are dead peoples.

Okay, seriously, that doesnt sound like a problem for Alice at all :/

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

being forced to not move for a weekend litiraly means she looses by incapacitation.

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Alice says "die".

Then Monika keels over and dies.

 

[MagiSinbad]

"Not to move" Can you elaborate this ?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

"Not to move"
Can you elaborate this ?

he got glitched and stood there for a week

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Alice says "die".
Then Monika keels over and dies.

does she start with it, and dors she need to see the targert?

 

[Jinsye]

As a note, Monika can nuke the plot to make Alice unable to interact with anything.

That's her only way of winning this so far though.

And yes, Alice starts with Die For Me iirc.