Mogura Kugurugi verses Giorno Giovana

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Mogura Kugurugi:

Giorno Giovanna:

Inconclusive: 2 (Iapitus The Impaler, Seventy96)

 

[TacticalNuke002]

You serious?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Muhammed Avdol - YES, I AM!

 

[TacticalNuke002]

What would she even do?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Either stalemate or stomp. GER does not act out of confrontation so it won't get stopped by Nothing, but it is also automatic so even if he negates her will power her Nothing will still remain functional. This is a strange match

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

GioGio will also have trouble harming her.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Willpower reset should be good enough imo.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Enough for what? Unless you want to argue that alone is incapacitation, Nothing activates from her opponent's actions, not her own (technically), so getting rid of her will power won't let Gio actually harm her.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Just gonna follow because it's not medaka

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Giorno can keep removing her will to fight indefinitely. The profile also states that she needs to activate her ability so there's that too.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Where does it state that she needs to activate it? She does intentionally turn it off when she is convinced she does not need it, but other than that none of the styles function in a way that must be "turned on"

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

And yes, he can remove her will power, but that does not mean he can harm her

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Wasn't removing the will to fight via the use of an ability enough to incap?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I'm honestly not sure if it does count as an incapacitation. Iirc it didn't in some other threads, but I do not know

 

[TacticalNuke002]

I mean, if she doesn't fight and go away or stay, whatever. If mindhaxing non-lethally is a valid incap method, this should be too.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Removing the will to fight for some lenghty period of time should count as an Incap win.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Is this a stomp?

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

"Drop Dead."

 

[TacticalNuke002]

You won't say that ^ if you don't feel like it.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

"Drop Dead."

It's not instant compared to GER, so GER willpowers before she even finished the sentence.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Speed isn't equalised, and even if it was, she would need to finish the phrase "Be Quiet" (or the Japanese equivalent, you get the idea) for her target to drop dead. GER's will power manip needs no such catalyst

 

[Yusuke138]

May need a mod or admin to come justify the length of time for will power to be considered incap. If not this match will just be set for inconclusive.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Or you can go read SBA

 

[Swordman97]

"Drop Dead."

It's not instant compared to GER, so GER willpowers before she even finished the sentence.

What if Kurgurgi uses Wrong Conversion to mislead him? Would he be able to notice what is going on?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I'm not sure what you mean, but GER will automatically negate Mogura's will power if she does anything against him. I'm not sure how she would go about decieving him with her power regardless

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

May need a mod or admin to come justify the length of time for will power to be considered incap. If not this match will just be set for inconclusive.

Victory Conditions: Killing the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.

 

[Standuser081]

Willpower manip is probably enough to incap her.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Does GER's will power negation last for 24 hours?

 

[Standuser081]

He'd probably do it over and over again before she can regain any will.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

But that resets the Incap timer

 

[Standuser081]

Victory Conditions: Killing the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.

Don't really think so.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Putting someone in a state they functionally cannot do harm for, let's say, 4 hours, does not mean you have put them in a state where they cannot act for 24 hours just because you come back every few hours and renew it

 

[Axl233]

Im mean he can keep Diavolo dying for all eternity,so im feel like his will manip must be same thing.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Its not just the will power manip that kept him in place, it is also the fate manip and constant deaths across the multiverse

 

[Standuser081]

Ok, but if he can reset his death forever, then maybe he can also reset a person's will forever.

 

[Axl233]

But if he can keep control of that fate and death manip so Diavolo can keep dying forever,it should at least scale to his will manip since both of then uses the zero reset.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

He doesn't keep control. The Death Loop is a contruct across the multiverse that comes as a natural consequence of being killed by GER and having your death undone. Hence why it truly is unknown if Giorno kept GER, because if it took GER to keep the death loop going, then he would obviously still need GER

 

[TacticalNuke002]

As long as GER is there, she'll just keep getting her willpower nulled. GER is also passive afaik.

 

[Standuser081]

Yeah, Diavolo is in an eternal death loop because his death keeps getting reset by GER.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Technically, nah. GER is automatic, not passive. Functionally near identical, but technically different.