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Erm yes, because the feat in question is a destructive capacity feat.
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Mob Psycho 100 upgrade
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Going by the scaling, the blast Mob struggled with would also be “possibly High 6-A”
That’s kinda why scaling exists
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Sure. But you can't handwave the explosion as an Attack Potency feat when it's in universe, a literal explosion of ALL of Toichiro's energy out of his body. It is in verse a destructive capacity feat.
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That’s a range problem though, hence why it’s Attack Potency. You’re just saying the same things over and over when it’s a basic Attack Potency =/= Destructive Capacity thing. The attack simply will be possibly High 6-A. That’s all there is to it.
By your logic, we should drop characters to like Tier 8 because they don’t make the world’s biggest explosions when fighting at full power even though they already have Tier 6 feats.
By your logic, we should drop characters to like Tier 8 because they don’t make the world’s biggest explosions when fighting at full power even though they already have Tier 6 feats.
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Literally the king piccolo dilemma, I thought people moved past this and learned from stuff like it
We should just move forward with the upgrades
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I don't understand your claim, Dynamite. Any attempt to calculate Suzuki's explosion will be lowball only if we don't start looking for fabulous atomization.
The explosion is not just dangerous for Mob (which means it scales higher than him), but it will also kill him no matter how far he runs. If you want to find its meaning so much that it looks logical, then use inverse squares, my friend.
But even dropping the High 6-A rating and if we give the Mob a base strength of 6-C, it will survive the explosion without a gap if it moves 1 kilometer away from the epicenter. Because at this distance, this attack will only kill a 7-B character.
We can find the minimum value of the explosion, but if we have a stronger feat, then we just scale it
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It would be a range problem if in verse the feat wasn't meant to be a destructive capacity feat.
That isn't at all what's being said.
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I don't get your meaning with this post
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Even if we calculate the explosion as 1 gigaton, it will scale higher than the Mob and received at least High 6-C through the scaling chain. Just because you can calculate something doesn't mean it will have the same value.
Toichiro's explosion is basically impossible to calculate without laying calcs, because it costs him a little to move away from the epicenter and he is able to survive it. However, Suzuki says that running would not have saved Shigeo
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I don't care about the exact value. The simple fact it doesn't produce a High 6-A result is the point.
I don't think ONE or anyone outside of the vs debate circles knows or care that moving a meter or whatever away from a nuke dramatically lowers the energy you receive from it.
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How many times do we have to repeat this? You’re just arbitrarily deciding what is and isn’t a destructive capacity feat at this point.
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Btw you guys aren't being held back by me. You who support the CRT just stopped talking.
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Well the CRT itself seems to have been generally accepted with a “possibly High 6-A” rating
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Manga: "Everybody run this dude is going to explode"
dude explodes all of his energy into a mushroom cloud mimicking a nuke
Me: "looks like an explosion feat"
You: "Stop arbitrarily deciding what's a destructive capacity feat"
K
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It can be an explosion and not exclusively destructive capacity at the same time.
Such an explosion would scale to possibly High 6-A based on the scaling chain. That much is irrefutable
Such an explosion would scale to possibly High 6-A based on the scaling chain. That much is irrefutable
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@Dienomite22
King piccolo's blast are described as being like a nuke in their destructive capacity as they can level entire cities with their range HOWEVER the potency of the blast are all moon level due to scaling and where we know how strong characters are
So the attack can be big or small it doesn't really matter that's the Destructive capacity of it however if the blast damaged someone who is planetary even if it doesn't like destroy even a city on impact it can still be planet level in potency
That's literally all @CloverDragon03 is trying to explain to you that because they scale to possibly high 6-A that range aside(which is Destructive capacity) that the literal actual AP of the blast would be high 6-A since it can kill Mob
King piccolo's blast are described as being like a nuke in their destructive capacity as they can level entire cities with their range HOWEVER the potency of the blast are all moon level due to scaling and where we know how strong characters are
So the attack can be big or small it doesn't really matter that's the Destructive capacity of it however if the blast damaged someone who is planetary even if it doesn't like destroy even a city on impact it can still be planet level in potency
That's literally all @CloverDragon03 is trying to explain to you that because they scale to possibly high 6-A that range aside(which is Destructive capacity) that the literal actual AP of the blast would be high 6-A since it can kill Mob
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Yup a single ""feat"" from a mental world. Here comes Star-level Medaka Box.
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I get what he's saying. You guys aren't getting that High 6-A has no support for it and the Toiroichi feat doesn't support it. The only way to argue that High 6-A isn't an outlier is by saying "all other feats are attack potency" despite having no statements or other calc results that are High 6-A.
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Another feat from the Mogami world is relatively comparable to Toichiro's explosion calculations
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Omfg bruh you're quite literally the ONLY person who thinks it has no support. We've had at least 2 or 3 Staff members give their approval on possibly and several other dozens of members so it definitely has support as the arguments and precedent for it has established it concretely enough to warrant a possibly rating which covers all this circular bs you've been keeping up with the last two pages explaining it all way with one word that you know the meaning of on this site since I sent it to you already along with the page on it and while you keep saying we can move on with the CRT you're constantly butting back to give your opinions and stifling what's already been agreed upon in number
Just unfollow the thread or simply don't reply if you have issue with it make another CRT after the fact but no one is going to sit here and go back and forward with you for pages on end as you're quite literally the only thing halting this crt
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Let's just ignore him
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Yes, that's right. I asked CloverDragon to evaluate its last 2 calculations. Maybe we'll get a value for Toichiro's explosion and another feat for Mob if it's not completely rejected.
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I'm happy to give staff shit if they truly believe that a mental world being called a parallel world and having physics means it can scale to a character's real self. I don't care if they are staff or not, it's not like staff haven't been hilariously wrong before. The thread can be closed or continue on or whatever but soon as I stop discussing you people don't discuss anything. Only a single staff member can stop a CRT from progressing, regular members don't have that luxury.
It's a CRT.
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A mental feat
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Not even to be rude here but seriously that's legit not anyone's problem bro and nor does that make staff being able to do that fair or right either because I can and do in cases wholly disagree with even a single staff member being able to hold up a thread that has the support of multitudes of other staff and users its even worse for some verses rather than others i.e. Bleach for so damn long its not even funny.
Your holding up of this thread is not an exception either as you clearly have that luxury since you're literally holding this thread by the throat, it's not like anyone's saying you can't give input but the fact remains that an overwhelming majority agree to something that literally only you do not and at the point where at there haven't been any new arguments as everything's been entirely circular as of the last 2 pages so yeah in cases like these tallying up and moving forward with the CRT is always what we do and this case is no acception. We will move forward here and nothings preventing you from compiling all your final arguments into one post here or another CRT but this circular stuff isn't gonna fly
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Like literally people are already willing to flat out ignore you and move on with the CRT so if that's not damning enough to let you know to switch up your approach then idk what is but like seriously no one is going to keep going back and forth with 1 singular person who doesn't agree.
Like out of respect please just compile everything you have into one final post to tackle all of your problems and spare no details as staff is still active here and will read what you have say, us regular users will be as well so at least use that to your advantage in a productive way
Like out of respect please just compile everything you have into one final post to tackle all of your problems and spare no details as staff is still active here and will read what you have say, us regular users will be as well so at least use that to your advantage in a productive way
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“Outlier” has to mean a contradiction with the series. I.e. the feat in question cannot feasible be considered as part of the scaling as it would break the chain completely. If the cosmos feat would be considered valid for whenever reason then I believe that would meet the criteria of being an outlier and be disregarded due to being such.
But Mob being high 6-A doesn’t seem to fall under the criteria of being an outlier since it can just as easily fall under the scaling chain without being contradictory to it. Mob’s best feat being high 6-A doesn’t entail the feat to be an outlier no more than king piccolo being moon level due to Roshi’s best feat being moon level despite no other feat coming even close to that level of power for other scaling characters.
But Mob being high 6-A doesn’t seem to fall under the criteria of being an outlier since it can just as easily fall under the scaling chain without being contradictory to it. Mob’s best feat being high 6-A doesn’t entail the feat to be an outlier no more than king piccolo being moon level due to Roshi’s best feat being moon level despite no other feat coming even close to that level of power for other scaling characters.
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Wasn't looking for pity because I don't care one way or another
Yes. I'm holding up the thread and not the supporters of it not giving input nor the discussion ceasing once I've stopped giving my input.
I think you are under the impression that I think or feel like I'm a victim who thinks he isn't allowed to give his input or something. Perhaps I made it seem like that so let me clear this up: I've been allowed to voice my opinion and so I chose to do it, what I didn't do is hold up a thread, you being compelled to respond is not me holding up a thread.
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Yes that's exactly imo what you made it seem like with what you were saying but if that's not the case then okay fair I'm okay with that but I emplore everyone else then to please just move on with the CRT
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Can someone bump the relevant calcs and scaling chain, also @CloverDragon03 could I get your opinions on the calc you rejected to try and fix it
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I guess I can write out my entire argument against using the High 6-A calc for Mob of the Psycho to the 100th.
1) It's a feat that takes place in a spirit/mental world formed in the mind of a ghost possessing the body and mind of a teenage girl. Mob explicitly states he needs to get back to reality/the real world. The feat takes place only in the mind and soul, therefore, can not be considered a feat that could take place in the real world.
2) It's a gross outlier. No feat in Mob Psycho comes close to High 6-A and not even the strongest version of Mob who is the God Tier of the verse performed a feat close to High 6-A even in his angriest form ???.
Our definition of an Outlier: "An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power"
The argument that "the mental world has real physics" and "it's called a parallel world" would get laughed at in any other verse so I don't see why it's so different here when we're dealing with a feat that's performed in a mind battlefield between a psychic trying to exorcise a girl and a ghost psychic trying to mind break the other psychic.
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The feat is done in a mental world and far outclasses anything in the verse
1) It's a feat that takes place in a spirit/mental world formed in the mind of a ghost possessing the body and mind of a teenage girl. Mob explicitly states he needs to get back to reality/the real world. The feat takes place only in the mind and soul, therefore, can not be considered a feat that could take place in the real world.
2) It's a gross outlier. No feat in Mob Psycho comes close to High 6-A and not even the strongest version of Mob who is the God Tier of the verse performed a feat close to High 6-A even in his angriest form ???.
Our definition of an Outlier: "An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power"
The argument that "the mental world has real physics" and "it's called a parallel world" would get laughed at in any other verse so I don't see why it's so different here when we're dealing with a feat that's performed in a mind battlefield between a psychic trying to exorcise a girl and a ghost psychic trying to mind break the other psychic.
Tl;dr
The feat is done in a mental world and far outclasses anything in the verse
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In fact, an old calc puts a feat as 6-A.
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I'm sure if it were usable, it would've been on the profile as a "possibly" and there wouldn't be a section of a CRT arguing for high 6-A via a mental world feat.
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Еnd of stories
EoS base Mob = ???
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It is that the calc was degrades to a High 6-B, and I was wrong, it is not that old.
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