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Misogi vs Diavolo
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And yeah actually, Misogi's ability is closer to GER than Diavolo.
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From what I understand of the profile, he can only modify things if it isn't a 0% chance. Effecting anything in erased time is a 0% unless you are Giorno kek. Diavolo's application of his ability is basically to skip over the naturally low points that everyone has in their luck.
I guess I'll vote Misogi FRA anyway tho
I guess I'll vote Misogi FRA anyway tho
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Not him. An overall 0% chance. Example, Diavolo/KC has more than a 0% chance of missing, failing or whatever. Since that's the case he can just rewrite any past event so that he is healed (so that his wounds never happened, the damned Misogis are so much alike). So if an "event" has more than a 0% chance of happening it can be rewriten into another naturally achievable result.
But that's for his defensive abilities. His offensive ability only requires that without powers he has a more than 0% chance of winning (in this case he does since it's 10-A vs 10-A, it's still possible for him to win even if it's a 0.00000001% chance).
Anyway vote counted.
But that's for his defensive abilities. His offensive ability only requires that without powers he has a more than 0% chance of winning (in this case he does since it's 10-A vs 10-A, it's still possible for him to win even if it's a 0.00000001% chance).
Anyway vote counted.
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That's not how it works in the anime/manga.
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That's just using Time Skip to change the target from Diavolo into Buccerino (or whatever his name is), since the result is kept you can just use the time skip to change the target of the result.Tincan123 said:
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??The God Of Procrastination said:
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In those continuities, it renders the entire universe (fate included) unconscious, letting him move around freely, while everyone else does whatever they were going to.
Or, at least, that's what I think it does.
Or, at least, that's what I think it does.
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@The God Of Procrastination You mean this right https://youtu.be/1-Rt_YZjxEw?t=26
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That seems to be just a leap in logic/plot hole. What Diavolo did there was take past and put it in the present. It has nothing to do with Causality or Time Erasure. That's a form of time travel. Since he created 2 Buccerinos.Tincan123 said:
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It must be just another inconsistency of Araki among the series.Tincan123 said:
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Bruno seeing himself in the future is a product of the coexistence of time. It was more to just show its effects and be confusing
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Anyway, 2 more votes before Grace.
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Misogi FRA. One vote left
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6 for Misogi.
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Oh god, oh **** Diavolo actually loses. Misogi FRA. He's basically GER.
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Grace begins. Goodbye 7-winstreak
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Not to rain on the parade here, but if Diavolo has a 0% chance of winning, isn't this a stomp?
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If I'm reading this guys power right, literally all his matches would be either stomps for him or against him. Since if he loses then there was 0% chance of him to ever win, which would make it a stomp for the other guy. Or even if there's a 0.(0)1% chance of him winning he'll always win, unless you resist his hax, which would make it a stomp for the other guy either way.
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DIavolo can potentially win if he does the thing that he did to trish and he erases time before Utakata uses his ability and kills himDargoo Faust said:
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kIapitus The Impaler said:
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So, is it a stomp?
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If Diavolo has a wincon, no.
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Nah it's not a stomp. Misogi's win hax is active (thought based) 1 shotting him before he does that is possible. So Misogi just takes this via better hax.
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How is punching before thinking a win con?
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By virtue of time skip being thought based.Ogbunabali said:
Besides we've already gone over this with multiple staff members. Being "faster" than your opponent is still fair.
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You yourself says that timeskip is useless.
And that's true if the opponent has a win con, in this case he doesn't. Even if you bloodlust him he still loses because punching is slower than thinking in literally every scenario.
And pretty sure matches where winning because of speed in speed equal while your opponent is faster with unequal, aren't added.
And that's true if the opponent has a win con, in this case he doesn't. Even if you bloodlust him he still loses because punching is slower than thinking in literally every scenario.
And pretty sure matches where winning because of speed in speed equal while your opponent is faster with unequal, aren't added.
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Time Skip is useless "after" the probability/causality has been manipulated, not before it.
Yes, same thing here, multiple staff members agreed that Limbo vs Beiloune is still fair even though no matter what Limbo does, Beiloune stuff is faster to activate. Beiloune's stuff will always precede Limbo's stuff, that just makes it decisive, not a stomp.
You're misusing that rule. Misogi is not going to literally be faster. He's gonna be the same speed as Diavolo due to speed equal, but Misogi's stuff is faster to activate. That would only apply if the opponent wins through some method of Speed Amp that make him faster in speed equal, but would otherwise be slower. In this case Misogi's hax is instant, while Diavolo's is not, that's the difference, so yes it can still be added.
Yes, same thing here, multiple staff members agreed that Limbo vs Beiloune is still fair even though no matter what Limbo does, Beiloune stuff is faster to activate. Beiloune's stuff will always precede Limbo's stuff, that just makes it decisive, not a stomp.
You're misusing that rule. Misogi is not going to literally be faster. He's gonna be the same speed as Diavolo due to speed equal, but Misogi's stuff is faster to activate. That would only apply if the opponent wins through some method of Speed Amp that make him faster in speed equal, but would otherwise be slower. In this case Misogi's hax is instant, while Diavolo's is not, that's the difference, so yes it can still be added.
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So it's incon then, Diavolo always uses his time skip, and Misogi, according to you always, always uses his hax. It's who shoots first.
That's literally not a win con. If Diavolo is physically unable to win, it's a stomp.
If Misogi wins because his is faster in speed equal and loses in speed unequal because he is slower, it's not.
That's literally not a win con. If Diavolo is physically unable to win, it's a stomp.
If Misogi wins because his is faster in speed equal and loses in speed unequal because he is slower, it's not.
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That's the problem, Diavolo using time skip won't stop Misogi's probability hax. It would be who shoots first if it was EE vs Prob hax for example. In this case it's not, cus Diavolo's time skip is not lethal and will therefore not stop Misogi's prob hax.
He's not unable to win.
No...read point 1. Both are instant thought based, though Diavolo's hax is not lethal so it will not be "who shoots first". It'll be "both shoot first, though Misogi's power is better for this case as it will work even during the time skip, whereas Diavolo's time skip won't stop Misogi's power". It's just a mechanical win. Again, it's fair.
The only case where the speed rule applies if it's through some form of speed amp.
He's not unable to win.
No...read point 1. Both are instant thought based, though Diavolo's hax is not lethal so it will not be "who shoots first". It'll be "both shoot first, though Misogi's power is better for this case as it will work even during the time skip, whereas Diavolo's time skip won't stop Misogi's power". It's just a mechanical win. Again, it's fair.
The only case where the speed rule applies if it's through some form of speed amp.
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So you're literally saying his hax is useless.
He is unable to win. The only way to win is for him to punch before Misogi thinks, which is quite literally physically impossible.
His hax being thought based has nothing to do with this. The only way to win is for him to punch him before Misogi thinks, that's which again is impossible.
Not it does not.
He is unable to win. The only way to win is for him to punch before Misogi thinks, which is quite literally physically impossible.
His hax being thought based has nothing to do with this. The only way to win is for him to punch him before Misogi thinks, that's which again is impossible.
Not it does not.
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Misogi stomps for reasons above.
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Lel ikr. These Misogi's are everywhere (and they both can rewrite events by manipulating causality). xDAgnaa said:
Kind of overkill, but vote counted.
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