Miracle Matter vs Silver

[The_real_cal_howard]

Both @ 4-A & Speed is equalized.

Miracle Matter

Silver the Hedgehog

 

[ShakeResounding]

Caaaal.

No idea about the result, nor do I really care, but I sincerely hope this isn't some attempt at a spite match!

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

MM has zero hax, man (pun completely intended) other than its invulnerability. If I wanted to spite there's better Kirbo characters for that lol.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Goes to show what checking a profile can do lol. Uh... Shadow FRA.

I'll come back to this later.

 

[Vrokorta]

I say Silver. He's dealt with foes like MM, so avoiding his attacks won't be a problem. It'll take him a while to figure out MM's weakness, but he's smart enough to do so eventually. His telekinesis will allow him to defeat MM the same way Kirby did, take his attacks & throw it back at him before he changes back. The only way I see MM winning is if Silver runs out of rings.

 

[Jinsye]

>Miracle Matter

>Dark Matter being

>Doesn't have mid-high

Wot

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Kirby 4-As are ridiculously stronger than Sonic 4-As

I'll look at this later tho.

 

[Eficiente]

Miracle Matter is pre-Magolor scaling, so he may not one-shot. Maybe.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Dark Matters are > Star Dream though

 

[Theuser789]

@Vrokorta, Rings and super forms having time limits is gameplay mechanincs

Silver FRA

 

[Vrokorta]

@Theuser No, cause Rings have been shown multiple times to contain power. When Silver was weakened from overusing his powers, he needed Rings to restore himself. When Sonic & Shadow fight Final Hazard, they tell each other "you need Rings". So no, it's not a game mechanic.

 

[Eficiente]

@Cal You can be above someone and still have a hard time making a perfect clone of it. Otherwise it's circular scaling, also we don't know where the info to make that clone even came from or if Dark Matter are even extinct.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Silver is around 441 Terrafoe.

 

[Theuser789]

@Theuser No, cause Rings have been shown multiple times to contain power. When Silver was weakened from overusing his powers, he needed Rings to restore himself. When Sonic & Shadow fight Final Hazard, they tell each other "you need Rings". So no, it's not a game mechanic.

Super forms having time limits is a gameplay mechaninc, you are using a completely diferent circustance to say super forms need rings, the characters telling you need colect rings is just as canon as they saying you need to presa the A button to jump, so yes, game mechanics, in SA2 Shadow was lacking energy because of inexperience with super forms, not lack of rings, especialy since we seen Sonic transform after being hurt or still being in it after a stage, two things that depletes your rings in game, directely contradicting the need of them, plus multiple games were Sonic doesn't need to have rings to stay super like Unleashed 360 or Chronicles, directely contradicting super forms needing rings being canon

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Cal You can be above someone and still have a hard time making a perfect clone of it. Otherwise it's circular scaling, also we don't know where the info to make that clone even came from or if Dark Matter are even extinct.

How is it circular scaling? Kirby isn't exactly a shounen with heavily varying power levels, and some bosses may not be above the others.

 

[Eficiente]

Dark Matter<Zero<Zero-Two<following final bosses after that<Star Dream<Dark Matter? Because Star Dream couldn't make a perfect clone of it?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No, it just means the Dark Matter are high up in the echelon. Each boss isn't necessarily above the other just because they happen later. Nightmare shouldn't be any less powerful than pre-Allies Marx.

 

[Eficiente]

I'm guessing this is a no to my proposal of Accelerated Development for certain Kirby characters?

Many bosses are objectively above others within the same game, it kinda makes sense for Kirby to become stronger after a game or most of them. Especially with how MK, a few others and some statements put everything as the protagonists becoming stronger and everything being training.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah, the Star Allies, return enemies (Souls and Revenges), and Galacta Knight do indeed have power buffs.

 

[Eficiente]

Landia fought evenly with Kirby & co., who still defeated the incredibly superior Magolor. Same case with most bosses in Planet Robobot and Star Dream. Sectonia one-shots Taranza who one-shots DDD. And so on.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I wasn't being sarcastic tho.

 

[Eficiente]

So what would be the AP difference here?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, it's still a Kirby character so...

 

[ElixirBlue]

Are we following the invulnerability in their profiles or no? If we are, Silver doesn't have a lot of elemental options when it comes to hurting MM.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

So what would be the AP difference here?

Silver is around 441 Terrafoe and scales to a cluster of stars.

Idk about Miracle Matter.

 

[Jinsye]

I mean still, the Doomers have Starry Sky feats and the Dark Matters should logically be superior to them so.

Miracle Matter is >140 petaFOE.

So 317x stronger.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

So Silver has to rely on hax and his invulnerability to stand a chance against someone that much stronger.

 

[Cumberjung]

Silver FRA.

 

[ElixirBlue]

You know what?

Silver FRA

Silver may not have a lot of it, but he does have wit. MM's weakness is elementals, and Silver can throw water, fire, earth, etc at him as MM changes color. Silver could figure it out as the battle goes. Little kids who play Kirby have figured it out (as well as some adults).