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Thanks a lot Inky for your approval. Now, i've just figured out something more interesting. If even a character with great 4th Wall Awareness like Sans or Kenny (HoL) couldn't break through the game UI but not Bendy, doesn't it mean he must have something more than just the consciousness of the 4th Wall?
Law Manipulation probably?
Why are you comparing Bendy to Sans? Sans’ 4th wall breaking >>>>>>> Bendy’s, it is recognized in-game that he does not give us turn (thus combat-applicable) and game mechanics in Undertale are meant to be taken very, very literally, meanwhile Bendy just does something in pause menu which should be proven to be recognized in canon and etc.
Bendy’s 4th wall breaking itself is debatable and you want to wank it to Law Manip lmao.
 
Why are you comparing Bendy to Sans? Sans’ 4th wall breaking >>>>>>> Bendy’s, it is recognized in-game that he does not give us turn (thus combat-applicable) and game mechanics in Undertale are meant to be taken very, very literally, meanwhile Bendy just does something in pause menu which should be proven to be recognized in canon and etc.
Bendy’s 4th wall breaking itself is debatable and you want to wank it to Law Manip lmao.
So according to you, jumpscares are non-cannon cuz protagonists aren't allowed to die plotwise.
Are there necessary a plot-involved reason for you to obtain 4th Wall Awareness or some powers else? It's like Bendy's telepathy is also non-cannon cuz there is no story telling why it exists💀
 
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So according to you, jumpscares are non-cannon cuz protagonists aren't allowed to die plotwise.
What? Animatronics killing the guard (if he fails) is canon in FNaF, your example is bad.
Are there necessary a plot-involved reason for you to obtain 4th Wall Awareness or some powers else? It's like Bendy's telepathy is also non-cannon cuz there is no story telling why it exists💀
Pause is not something that exists in BaTIM and stuff, it exists solely for the player in real life. In majority of cases, if in cartoon’s intro the guy destroyed the planet, you wouldn’t give him Planet level — intro by itself is not canon and is not recognized within the story AT ALL. Same stuff with pause.
Bendy’s telepathy was within the story, and it wasn’t something unrecognized from it’s perspective.
 
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What? Animatronics killing the guard (if he fails) is canon in FNaF, your example is bad.
Look through that again, you threw the half of my point out of the window.
Pause is not something that exists in BaTIM and stuff, it exists solely for the player in real life. Im majority of cases, if in cartoon’s intro the guy destroyed the planet, you wouldn’t give him Planet level — intro by itself is not canon and is not recognized within the story AT ALL. Same stuff with pause.
Bendy’s telepathy was within the story, and it wasn’t something unrecognized within the story.
Then the ending black screen isn't considered to exist a show and a character breaking through or affecting it won't be canon, right?
 
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Look through that again, you missed the half of my point.
“Protagonists are not allowed to die plotwise” this is wrong on so many levels.
Then the ending black screen isn't considered to exist a show and a character breaking through or affecting it won't be canon, right?
Intro, outro, menu, black screen and etc. are usually not considered canon due to them being created for the viewer/player and it is not recognized in the story itself.
 
It does not correlate with my logic at all.
"meanwhile Bendy just does something in pause menu which should be proven to be recognized in canon and etc."
The problem is here that it is literally taken from the story. It is not like intro or outro or menu. False equivalence.
I thought about another black screen tbh.
The "black screen" you said can be either taken from the story as character sometimes pulls it out from nowhere.
Talking about intro, you debunked yourself somehow.
 
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"meanwhile Bendy just does something in pause menu which should be proven to be recognized in canon and etc."
And? Jumpscares and the consequences of them (like in FNaF) are completely different thing from menu.
The "black screen" you said can be either taken from the story as character sometimes pulls it out from nowhere.
In this context, the story did not end yet, and then Pinkie Pie broke the fourth wall. If it was, for example, the comic cover on which Pinkie Pie breaks Fourth Wall, it would not count as it does not happen in the story.
Talking about intro, you debunked yourself somehow.
No?
 
And? Jumpscares and the consequences of them (like in FNaF) are completely different thing from menu.
When did i talk about the menu then?
In this context, the story did not end yet, and then Pinkie Pie broke the fourth wall. If it was, for example, the comic cover on which Pinkie Pie breaks Fourth Wall, it would not count as it does not happen in the story.
So based on that, pause menu isn't really a pause option like Bambu said, but it is still one when Bendy isn't there (similar to the black screen which has only broken by Pinkie when plot allowed her to do)
I guess you would say it's a Plot Manipulation feat.
 
Thanks a lot Inky for your approval. Now, i've just figured out something more interesting. If even a character with great 4th Wall Awareness like Sans or Kenny (HoL) couldn't break through the game UI but not Bendy, doesn't it mean he must have something more than just the consciousness of the 4th Wall?
Law Manipulation probably?
Personally I think that it is fine. But considering Sans dosnt have law manipulation despite disobeying the laws of his own game (Undertale) and skips the players turn I wouldn’t be surprised if VsBattleWiki disagrees with this one also. But then again Bendy’s is kind of a different scenario considering he outright interferes with the pause menu and restarts the game against the players will. So I think it is worth a shot.
 
I would still be opposed to that, whether you attempt to brand it as Law Manipulation or 4th Wall Awareness. There is less clear indication as to what it is than any other whataboutism-named instance. Sans directly speaks about and refers to the game and its mechanics, that's the point. This is just a cute jumpscare attempt that interrupts a pause menu. The two are not the same.
 
I would still be opposed to that, whether you attempt to brand it as Law Manipulation or 4th Wall Awareness. There is less clear indication as to what it is than any other whataboutism-named instance. Sans directly speaks about and refers to the game and its mechanics, that's the point. This is just a cute jumpscare attempt that interrupts a pause menu. The two are not the same.
Can you pls explain more specifically? You accidentally repeated your point before that i made a whole arguement to debunk.
Put this aside, what's the deal with inf stamina and density manipulation?
 
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When did i talk about the menu then?
Same as pause
So based on that, pause menu isn't really a pause option like Bambu said, but it is still one when Bendy isn't there (similar to the black screen which has only broken by Pinkie when plot allowed her to do)
Pause is not part of the freaking in-game stuff, it exists solely for the player, get over it.
I guess you would say it's a Plot Manipulation feat.
WHAT💀
 
Pause is not part of the freaking in-game stuff, it exists solely for the player, get over it.
You forgot that characters with 4th Wall Breaking can aware of these stuffs existence, right?
Sure, Bill Cipher gained 4th Wall Awareness cuz of his AMA and various statements/interactions. But the point is, if the intro is considered something "solely for the viewers" as you said, then his Plot Manipulation feat won't be valid saying to that logic.
No matter how many times you keep denying it, you obviously self-choked at this point.
 
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Can you pls explain more specifically? You accidentally repeated your point before that i made a whole arguement to debunk.
Put this aside, what's the deal with inf stamina and density manipulation?
I can't, no. You have not provided sufficient evidence of the claim. That is the explanation.

I also spoke on infinite stamina, the statements have nothing substantial to them at all. They're some of the most basic "I'm gonna getcha" statements ever made. They're all reaches.

never even noticed Density Manipulation, but I don't even understand the thought process for suggesting that?
 
I can't, no. You have not provided sufficient evidence of the claim. That is the explanation.
I get it, perhaps i should have considered this more carefully. Thanks for your care anyway.
I also spoke on infinite stamina, the statements have nothing substantial to them at all. They're some of the most basic "I'm gonna getcha" statements ever made. They're all reaches.
Forget the statements, i found a more logical manner for this to be valid:
So, the first statement stated that Bendy stalks you at every turn, or non-stoppedly until we die. Sure, this isn't saying anything about eternity but this accidentally supports for my old-found statement about Cycle being a no-end loop where you can't really die (this's been accepted in Bendys profile)
So put both this things together, we know that Bendy constantly chases us until death in a loop that you aren't able to die forever, or basically he chases us for everlast.
Fnaf UCN moment
never even noticed Density Manipulation, but I don't even understand the thought process for suggesting that?
Sammy stated this in Chapter 2 thus the thing caused the noises is certain to be Bendy. Being inside ink pipes supposes you to be a liquid to move through them with same speed as the ink.
 
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That's just him changing form, though. He can't manipulate density.

Forget the statements, i found a more logical manner for this to be valid:
So, the first statement stated that Bendy stalks you at every turn, or non-stoppedly until we die. Sure, this isn't saying anything about eternity but this accidentally supports for my old-found statement about Cycle being a no-end loop where you can't really die (this's been accepted in Bendys profile)
So put both this things together, we know that Bendy constantly chases us until death in a loop that you aren't able to die forever, or basically he chases us for everlast.
Fnaf UCN moment
This is essentially the same support as before, no.
 
That's just him changing form, though. He can't manipulate density.
And changing from solid to liquid isn't changing density or something?
"Density Manipulation is the ability to control the density of objects and beings, possibly including one's self. This power can be used to make objects denser, heavier, and more durable, or to lower their density to become lighter and more agile, or even to make them disperse and lose their solidity."
This is essentially the same support as before, no.
*You didn't tell me why it doesn't make sense thus i had to repeat it, more detail (cuz i thought you hadn't noticed)
 
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And changing from solid to liquid isn't changing density or something?
"Density Manipulation is the ability to control the density of objects and beings, possibly including one's self. This power can be used to make objects denser, heavier, and more durable, or to lower their density to become lighter and more agile, or even to make them disperse and lose their solidity."
Density Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the density directly, without using other things like Transformation, which is solid changing to liquid in our case.
 
Density Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the density directly, without using other things like Transformation, which is solid changing to liquid in our case.
I mean, i made a CRT of Bendy getting Intangibility before, so maybe Density Manipulation would help in that context.
Transformation is to slightly modify the body, such as provide that you were human that can turn into a figure of water with the previous human form, that wouldn't be counted as Density Manipulation. Bendy in this case literally turned his body into a amorphous mass of ink.
 
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It isn't Transformation, it could fall under a couple things (just not Density Manipulation). I think the most applicable would be Body Control.

*You didn't tell me why it doesn't make sense thus i had to repeat it, more detail (cuz i thought you hadn't noticed)
...Yes I did. It was actually my first post here.
 
It isn't Transformation, it could fall under a couple things (just not Density Manipulation). I think the most applicable would be Body Control.
So what are required to get Density Manipulation?
...Yes I did. It was actually my first post here.
That's not my point. You just evaluated the statement alone, not when i fused the logic of it and the previous statement together.
 
So what are required to get Density Manipulation?
...manipulating density. Like I realize in any practical case that shapeshifting like that would change his own bodily density, were this a world of science, but it'd do a thousand other things, too. He can't actually manipulate density, though.

That's not my point. You just evaluated the statement alone, not when i fused the logic of it and the previous statement together.
I really think you must have ignored the other bits of the comment, man.

In any case: none of it is really directly stating "he has infinite stamina!" and the implications aren't noticeably stronger than any other poetic language using the word "forever", except here it barely even uses the word.
 
...manipulating density. Like I realize in any practical case that shapeshifting like that would change his own bodily density, were this a world of science, but it'd do a thousand other things, too. He can't actually manipulate density, though.
Could Intangibility support for it?
I really think you must have ignored the other bits of the comment, man.l

In any case: none of it is really directly stating "he has infinite stamina!" and the implications aren't noticeably stronger than any other poetic language using the word "forever", except here it barely even uses the word.
You a bit misunderstood here ig . I'm talking about the logic, like UCN animatronics get inf stamina as they constantly hunt William in a pratically unending loop.
 
He had that already. Making CRT exists for a reason🙃
To provide evidence of new abilities. This new evidence isn't anything notable, if he already had the ability that best represents that.

I'm getting tired of dealing with the constant attempts to add abilities just for the sake of it, and then acting annoyed when others point out that it isn't right. Be objective.
 
To provide evidence of new abilities. This new evidence isn't anything notable, if he already had the ability that best represents that.

I'm getting tired of dealing with the constant attempts to add abilities just for the sake of it, and then acting annoyed when others point out that it isn't right. Be objective.
Everyone tries to protect personal sakes, yeah...
If you're tired now, just evaluate the inf stamina thing whatever then i will soon close this crap up.
I don't even care no matter what.
 
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I already evaluated infinite stamina, I said 'no' based on your current evidence.
 
Brother, it's just a CRT, we aren't mortal enemies lol. I just disagree with you. Chill out.
 
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