Minor upgrade for some DMC Chars

[Mister6ame6]

Well, thougth of upgrading some chars before i eventually finish my next DMC haxs additions, so lets go on it

V​

Lifting Strength: At least Superhuman level (Can almost wield the Devil Sword Sparda when he was extremely weakened), Far Higher at His Peak (A Healthy and specially a peak V would have easily wield the sword without problems)


Speed: Immesurable (Should scale to Nightmare's and Urizen's speeds since V can finish off enemies while using his familiars, since they are "dream-like demons", they are only able to inflict pain on their enemies, yet unable to kill than)


Durability: (Was able to withstand a attack from a Enpuza)


1- Regeneration Negation, Immortality Negation and Soul Manipulation (Up to Mid-Godly,: V can finish off enemies while using his familiars, since they are "dream-like demons", they are only able to inflict pain on their enemies, yet unable to kill than)


2- Self-Sustenance (Type 1): (V was capable to survive inside the Demon World, which lacks oxygen)


3- Much Superior Supernatural Willpower, Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation: V was able to get empowered by Nightmare's power without getting consumed by him in the process, even later confirmed by Griffon that V have the heart to use the Devil Sword Sparda just lacks the body to use it which would make him be Nelo Angelo, but lacking in the physical departement)


Resistance


1- All the Demon World's Effects and to Demonic Abilities on Demon King Level (V was capable to survive inside the Demon World, even going to its center where the effects are far more stronger and deadly, was able to withstand a attack from a Enpuza and V is also able to resist getting consumed by power source on Demon King Level beings, as show with V was able to get empowered by Nightmare's power without getting consumed by him in the process, even later confirmed by Griffon that V have the heart to use the Devil Sword Sparda, but lacks the body to use it which would make him Nelo Angelo but lacking in the physical departement)


2- Energy Absorption and Poison Manipulation Improveds (V is able to resist when the Nobody's make his show to absorb his magical powers with its dance and also is unaffected by the Nobody's poisonous bodies when they die and explode into pieces)


3- Blood Manipulation (V is able to fight off Queen Empusa when she grabs him to suck his blood)

Lady​

Attack Potency: City level (Can fight and kill Bianco Angelo Demons, which are strong enougth to figth Assault. Helped Trish deal with the demons passing thougth the Main Hell Gate which are confirmed to be stronger them Lesser Demons by Agnus), higher with Kalina Ann's bayonet (Could pierce and cut thouth Bianco Angelo's armor, something that her missiles, including her more powerfull one, was unable to even scrath his armor)


1- Regeneration Negation, Immortality Negation, Soul Manipulation and Invulnerability (At least Low-Godly,: Can nullify demons's regenerations and destroy their souls with weapons enhanced with demonic materials or Devil Arms that she collected through her career. Can kill Bianco Angelos, later, helped Trish deal with the demons passing thougth the Main Hell Gate which are confirmed to be stronger them Lesser Demons by Agnus)


2- Weapon Mastery, Master of Hand to Hand Combat and Analytical Prediction (Can fight demons like Bianco Angelos which are comparable to Assault demons, who are able to fight Devil Hunters such as the Order of Sword Holy Knights, who are trained to hunt demons and are one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in DMC verse)


3- Self-Sustenance (Type 1): (Lady was capable to survive close to the Demon World, which lacks oxygen as show when he was near the portal to the Demon World, opened in the Temen-ni-gru, Fortuna when the Main Hell Gate was opened, which the contamination made the island almost a new Demon World)


Resistance


1- All Demon World's Effects and Demons's passive abilities (Casually fights demons on a regular basis, who have this abilities. Was near the portal to the Demon World, opened in the Temen-ni-gru, Fortuna when the Main Hell Gate was opened, which the contamination made the island almost a new Demon World, and in all occasions, was unaffected by the Demon World's effects)


2- Empathic Manipulation and Fear Manipulation Improveds (Can withstand being on Mid Tier demonic presences)

Blitz​

Attack Potency: City Level (Created a thunderstorm)

Berial​

Attack Potency: Likely Large Star Level (Was stated that he maybe could have an audience with the Demon King Mundus to be part of his army)


1- Instinctive Reaction, Statistics Amplification and Forcefield Creation via Hellfire Manipulation (Berial's flames can act on their own to protect him from his opponents, can work as shield to protect him from attacks)


2- Master Swordsman and Analytical Prediction (Superior than Nero before he fought Dante, which is superior than the Order of Swords Knights that are the bests swordsmanship and devil hunters in DMC verse. is been alive since Sparda betrayed Mundus more than 2000 years before DMC4 events and fought his way in the Demon World from the bottom of demon class to eventually be powerful enough to conquer the fire hell, which is the most harsh section of the Demon World)

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Speed: Immesurable (Should scale to Nightmare's and Urizen's speeds since V can finish off enemies while using his familiars, since they are "dream-like demons", they are only able to inflict pain on their enemies, yet unable to kill than)

I disagree, not because it's not real, but because Nightmare is not immeasurable and V never fought Urizen

Attack Potency: Likely Large Star Level (Was stated that he maybe could have an audience with the Demon King Mundus to be part of his army

Unsure about this

3- Self-Sustenance (Type 1): (Lady was capable to survive close to the Demon World, which lacks oxygen as show when he was near the portal to the Demon World, opened in the Temen-ni-gru, Fortuna when the Main Hell Gate was opened, which the contamination made the island almost a new Demon World)

I mean, the air of the human world doesn't come into play since she didn't enter the portal? Since she was on the edge, basically it would be the air replenishing itself

The rest is ok

2- Energy Absorption and Poison Manipulation Improveds (V is able to resist when the Nobody's make his show to absorb his magical powers with its dance and also is unaffected by the Nobody's poisonous bodies when they die and explode into pieces)

improves means something that is better than before, V has no resistance to those powers, so technically you should remove the Improveds part, after that, is okey

The rest look fine

 

[Mister6ame6]

I disagree, not because it's not real, but because Nightmare is not immeasurable and V never fought Urizen

Well, i'm was gonna say since he was gonna if not for V's power source skill issues that he could keep up, but fair imo

Unsure about this


I mean, the air of the human world doesn't come into play since she didn't enter the portal? Since she was on the edge, basically it would be the air replenishing itself

DMC2 and DMC4 does mention that the air is corrupted in the HW when the DWE shenarigans is happening, so it should count, espcially that Agnus evention that the corruption is so high that the place became almost a new DW

improves means something that is better than before, V has no resistance to those powers, so technically you should remove the Improveds part, after that, is okey

V have this resistences layered because of the DW already having that, since the DW can suck the enermy from the atmosfere and the air is comfirmed to be toxic

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

DMC2 and DMC4 does mention that the air is corrupted in the HW when the DWE shenarigans is happening, so it should count, espcially that Agnus evention that the corruption is so high that the place became almost a new DW

The air exist, the ss type 1 is being alive without needing to breathe, breathing something else that is toxic does not give you SS type 1. So nope

V have this resistences layered because of the DW already having that, since the DW can suck the enermy from the atmosfere and the air is comfirmed to be toxic

Demon world dont absorbs magic, but the physical stuff. The Toxic Air is fair

 

[Mister6ame6]

The air exist, the ss type 1 is being alive without needing to breathe, breathing something else that is toxic does not give you SS type 1. So nope

Fair enouth, but Dante does mention that trying to breathe in demonic air is impossible in DMC1 even if you try to do that

Should that count for self-sustanence type 1 no?

Demon world dont absorbs magic, but the physical stuff. The Toxic Air is fair

Fair too

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Fair enouth, but Dante does mention that trying to breathe in demonic air is impossible in DMC1 even if you try to do that

Should that count for self-sustanence type 1 no?

Unsure

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Attack Potency: City level (Can fight and kill Bianco Angelo Demons, which are strong enougth to figth Assault. Helped Trish deal with the demons passing thougth the Main Hell Gate which are confirmed to be stronger them Lesser Demons by Agnus), higher with Kalina Ann's bayonet (Could pierce and cut thouth Bianco Angelo's armor, something that her missiles, including her more powerfull one, was unable to even scrath his armor)

Nonsense. Lady is just a human, albeit at the peak of her powers. And demons are superhumans in their characteristics. According to this logic, we should scale, for example, Trish from DMC 1 to 7-B or Tony Redgrave. Because they are plot superhumans, and Lady is just a human. This is nonsense.

Someone threw that she ignores the strength of many demons through silver and holy water, and all sorts of other rituals.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Nonsense. Lady is just a human, albeit at the peak of her powers. And demons are superhumans in their characteristics. According to this logic, we should scale, for example, Trish from DMC 1 to 7-B or Tony Redgrave. Because they are plot superhumans, and Lady is just a human. This is nonsense.

Someone threw that she ignores the strength of many demons through silver and holy water, and all sorts of other rituals.

She is not exectly a normal human since her his descendent of a priest Sparda used to seal away the Temen-ni-gru tower

She was able to keep with Bianco Angelos which are on Blitz's class level, and later helped Trish proctec the civilians agaist the demons that passed thougth the Main Hell Gate, which were confirmed by Agnus to be not lower tier demons like the smaller Hell Gates. So Lady was consitently holding her his own agaist Mid Tier demons in DMC verse

Silver Bullets only work agasit Lower Tier Demons, not Mid Tier Demons, so Bianco Angelos and the Demon passing thougth the Main Hell Gate are not affectd by them

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

She is not exectly a normal human since her his descendent of a priest Sparda used to seal away the Temen-ni-gru tower

She was able to keep with Bianco Angelos which are on Blitz's class level, and later helped Trish proctec the civilians agaist the demons that passed thougth the Main Hell Gate, which were confirmed by Agnus to be not lower tier demons like the smaller Hell Gates. So Lady was consitently holding her his own agaist Mid Tier demons in DMC verse

Silver Bullets only work agasit Lower Tier Demons, not Mid Tier Demons, so Bianco Angelos and the Demon passing thougth the Main Hell Gate are not affectd by them

I can read what's written in the post, there was no need to retell it.

It's all probably just outliers. She was always described as human, not as someone of demonic physical strength. We literally scale Tony Redgrave above Lady because he's superhuman.

 

[Mister6ame6]

I can read what's written in the post, there was no need to retell it.

It's all probably just outliers. She was always described as human, not as someone of demonic physical strength. We literally scale Tony Redgrave above Lady because he's superhuman.

This DMC4 Lady that scale to that not her DMC3 key, which Tony scale above

If she was a normal human in the fist place, she would never be able to deal with demons even the weaker ones as show in DMC3

The moment she fougth them she is above human standarts even if she is called "human" in DMC

Plus she is a Devil Hunter just like the Order of the Sword soldier, which can deal with this type of demons regularly

 

[chosen]

If she was a normal human in the fist place, she would never be able to deal with demons even the weaker ones as show in DMC3

She still a regular human inverse. Only reason she does shit is cuz of her weapons, she would meet her mom if she fought without weapons

Blitz upgrade makes Tony and gilver 7b too anyway

 

[Mister6ame6]

She still a regular human inverse. Only reason she does shit is cuz of her weapons, she would meet her mom if she fought without weapons

Blitz upgrade makes Tony and gilver 7b too anyway

Ah yeah, i forgot to mention but her weapons are enhanced with demonic shit, which enhances her physical stats too, hence why she can hurt them in the fist place since demons are immune to man made weapons

YEah, you are rigth on that too

 

[chosen]

Ah yeah, i forgot to mention but her weapons are enhanced with demonic shit, which enhances her physical stats too, hence why she can hurt them in the fist place since demons are immune to man made weapons

YEah, you are rigth on that too

When it's stated her physicals are amped

 

[Mister6ame6]

When it's stated her physicals are amped

Well, Devil Hunters either use Devil Arms or demonic enhanced weapons, which contains DE, which empowers the user

That's is the justification of why she is amped by her weapons

 

[chosen]

Well, Devil Hunters either use Devil Arms or demonic enhanced weapons, which contains DE, which empowers the user

That's is the justification of why she is amped by her weapons

Lady weapons are modified, nothing ever states she herself is amped

 

[Mister6ame6]

Lady weapons are modified, nothing ever states she herself is amped

Should be, we assume if people are able to wield demonic infested weapons as they are getting amped since just to wield them you need a strong body, mind and soul to not get consumed by them

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I disagree with sum stuff here

 

[Mister6ame6]

I disagree with sum stuff here

Not trying to rush you, but since is been a long time, mind giving some input when you can?

As one of the most reliable and oldest DMC members, your opinion is pretty much apreciate here

 

[Theglassman12]

I’ll just say I’m not really seeing immeasurable for V there when Nightmare himself doesn’t even scale to demon king level speeds, V being scaled to Urizen narratively makes no sense when he was falling apart and needed Nero and Dante’s help to take him down

 

[Mister6ame6]

I’ll just say I’m not really seeing immeasurable for V there when Nightmare himself doesn’t even scale to demon king level speeds, V being scaled to Urizen narratively makes no sense when he was falling apart and needed Nero and Dante’s help to take him down

Fine, i was going to remove the immesurable speed part anyway since majority disagree anyway

 

[Random-Helper323]

The storm feat for Blitz seems likely to scale to many demons, and maybe Lady. That is the entire basis for scaling Lady's bayonet device to City level, right?

Note: for the bayonet attachment on the Kalina Ann, it can stab into the walls of Temen-Ni-Gru even though Pre-DT Dante's bullets and even sword couldn't break or cut through it. That same Dante fragmented a massive stone statue in the manga, so clearly the stone Temen-Ni-Gru was made of was something special.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

The storm feat for Blitz seems likely to scale to many demons, and maybe Lady. That is the entire basis for scaling Lady's bayonet device to 8-A, right?

Note: for the bayonet attachment on the Kalina Ann, it can stab into the walls of Temen-Ni-Gru even though Pre-DT Dante's bullets and even sword couldn't break or cut through it. That same Dante fragmented a massive stone statue in the manga, so clearly the stone Temen-Ni-Gru was made of was something special.

In the fight in the library, her missiles didn't damage the walls. It's unlikely that the moment with piercing the stone was intended as if Lady had an incredibly sharp knife. By that logic, we should scale the piercing power of her knife higher than Dante's.

Also, hasn't it recently been discovered that demonic materials in DMC are often immune to physical damage? In novel where was Gilver.

 

[Random-Helper323]

In the fight in the library, her missiles didn't damage the walls.

Things generally don't get damaged in gameplay.

It's unlikely that the moment with piercing the stone was intended as if Lady had an incredibly sharp knife.

I don't know what you mean about how it was intended, to be honest. There's a cutscene where Jester tells Dante he can't breach the door or wall followed by Dante's bullets and swords failing to harm the stone, then a cutscene where Kalina Ann blasts a hole in some of it, then a cutscene where her bayonet stabs into it. The scenes tell us her weapon can damage a supposedly undamageable structure.

By that logic, we should scale the piercing power of her knife higher than Dante's.

It was Pre-DT Dante. In fact, right after he got his DT upgrade he effortlessly shattered a statue on the tower. Pre-DT Dante is 7-B, which it so happens is similar to the proposed level in this thread. Keeping in mind that in order to beat the Bianco Angelo she needed to launch herself with the launcher and then swing the bayonet at it. Literally a combination of all her power (launcher, swing and blade) at once and not at all applicable to any of the individual factors alone.

Also, hasn't it recently been discovered that demonic materials in DMC are often immune to physical damage? In novel where was Gilver.

Yes. It tells us that Kalina Ann is likely not a normal weapon. People always treat it as a regular rocket launcher despite lots of evidence to the contrary. Its AP is higher than a normal launcher, it never needs reloading, two of it together can somehow fire an energy beam, it can fire target-seeking rockets which also lock onto stone enemies and even icy enemies which obviously have no body heat, and Lady can somehow pull it out of her pocket. This tower stuff just adds another reason to treat it as magically enhanced in some way.

Honestly, I'm not suggesting scaling Lady to Dante. I'm suggesting the Kalina Ann in particular has some special properties, similar to a Devil Arm. Dante's inability to cut the tower might even have less to do with his AP than to do with his demonic power level compared to that of the tower.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Things generally don't get damaged in gameplay.

I'm talking about cut scenes.

I don't know what you mean about how it was intended, to be honest. There's a cutscene where Jester tells Dante he can't breach the door or wall followed by Dante's bullets and swords failing to harm the stone, then a cutscene where Kalina Ann blasts a hole in some of it, then a cutscene where her bayonet stabs into it. The scenes tell us her weapon can damage a supposedly undamageable structure.

I'm talking about the fact that you're literally trying to scale a character who is colossally weaker than Dante himself higher than Dante. This is nonsense. Since when are human weapons capable of piercing material that the Rebillion Sword can't pierce? Nonsense. In the moment where she clings to the wall and climbs up, there is no emphasis on the fact that she has such a sharp knife, the semantic load of the scene was not to show that the knife is so sharp, but simply that she has the Grappling Hook. In other words, this is Outlier at best.

It was Pre-DT Dante. In fact, right after he got his DT upgrade he effortlessly shattered a statue on the tower. Pre-DT Dante is 7-B, which it so happens is similar to the proposed level in this thread. Keeping in mind that in order to beat the Bianco Angelo she needed to launch herself with the launcher and then swing the bayonet at it. Literally a combination of all her power (launcher, swing and blade) at once and not at all applicable to any of the individual factors alone.

Dante scales much higher than Cerberus, who scales much higher than almost all bosses in DMC 2 and DMC 4 tier 7-B due to being worthy of guarding Temen-Ni-Gru, and those bosses should scale much higher than the likes of Blitz, considering he is a demon NOT a boss.

Lady can't scale that high. Dante defeats Cerberus incredibly easily.

Yes. It tells us that Kalina Ann is likely not a normal weapon. People always treat it as a regular rocket launcher despite lots of evidence to the contrary. Its AP is higher than a normal launcher, it never needs reloading, two of it together can somehow fire an energy beam, it can fire target-seeking rockets which also lock onto stone enemies and even icy enemies which obviously have no body heat, and Lady can somehow pull it out of her pocket. This tower stuff just adds another reason to treat it as magically enhanced in some way.

Honestly, I'm not suggesting scaling Lady to Dante. I'm suggesting the Kalina Ann in particular has some special properties, similar to a Devil Arm. Dante's inability to cut the tower might even have less to do with his AP than to do with his demonic power level compared to that of the tower.

The fact that she pulls out weapons out of nowhere is the same case as in the Resident Evil cut scene. Beams and so on are Dante's abilities, many missiles are just good technology. At that time, Lady clearly did not have magical weapons.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'm talking about cut scenes.

Which ones?

I'm talking about the fact that you're literally trying to scale a character who is colossally weaker than Dante himself higher than Dante.

No I am not. Please read what I actually said.

Since when are human weapons capable of piercing material that the Rebillion Sword can't pierce?

See the part where I describe the strange properties the weapon has.

In the moment where she clings to the wall and climbs up, there is no emphasis on the fact that she has such a sharp knife, the semantic load of the scene was not to show that the knife is so sharp, but simply that she has the Grappling Hook.

It still pierces the wall. How is the focus being on the grappling hook relevant to that?

In other words, this is Outlier at best.

Possible PIS stuff or inconsistency, yes. I'm raising it, not pushing it.

Dante scales much higher than Cerberus, who scales much higher than almost all bosses in DMC 2 and DMC 4 tier 7-B due to being worthy of guarding Temen-Ni-Gru, and those bosses should scale much higher than the likes of Blitz, considering he is a demon NOT a boss.

Lady can't scale that high. Dante defeats Cerberus incredibly easily.

I agree she doesn't scale anywhere in here. I'm solely suggesting her blade attachment is very sharp and can cut demonic materials.

The fact that she pulls out weapons out of nowhere is the same case as in the Resident Evil cut scene. Beams and so on are Dante's abilities, many missiles are just good technology. At that time, Lady clearly did not have magical weapons.

The weapon clearly surpasses real life technology, Lady has a past connection to Nico and as a result likely Rock or others like him, meaning her custom weapon genuinely might be something like what those people can make, or the blade might be made of demonic metal.

Update: Actually, the room Dante was in seemed to be a room designed specifically to contain something securely, given the unique lock it had. So maybe that room is a unique case. Either way, the notion that demon materials require special means to damage does still suggest to me at least that Kalina Ann isn't just a normal weapon. If anything it supports Lady herself not scaling to the weapon's blade attachment, sort of like Wolverine's claws but not quite as absurd. It helps make her scaling to Blitz solely with that weapon less ridiculous. Granted the weapon might have been upgraded over the years and Lady is likely stronger in 4 than in 3.

 

[Mister6ame6]

The storm feat for Blitz seems likely to scale to many demons, and maybe Lady. That is the entire basis for scaling Lady's bayonet device to City level, right?

Yeap, along with she figthing later some mid tier demons with Trish in DF events

Note: for the bayonet attachment on the Kalina Ann, it can stab into the walls of Temen-Ni-Gru even though Pre-DT Dante's bullets and even sword couldn't break or cut through it. That same Dante fragmented a massive stone statue in the manga, so clearly the stone Temen-Ni-Gru was made of was something special.

Interesting, that could show that Kalina Ann is a pretty strong demonic weapon, that's a pretty good invunerability neg there imo