Minor MCU Revisions

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Some simple revisions for MCU characters

• The Power Stone's profile is badly outdated, so here is my Power Stone rework to update the page
• The Eye of Agamotto's profile needs Precognition (Doctor Strange used the stone to view all the possible outcomes between the Avengers and Thanos, the Ancient One used the stone to look into the future right up onto her death)
• Thor and Odin need dimensional travel removed (The 9 realms are not universes and are clearly shown to be in the same universe). Instead, they get a range upgrade to at least "Multi-Galactic" with the Bifrost (When using the Bifrost to Asgard in Thor Ragnarok, when Thor falls off, he is seen to be falling through a nebula of some sorts indicating Asgard is beyond our solar system, this is also shown here as the bifrost is transporting Hulk through various star systems, which would be at least interstellar range. In Thor the Dark World, it is shown that the 9 realms are in different galaxies). The Reality Stone gets a range upgrade to Universal due to Odin stating that Malekith was going to put the "Universe" into eternal darkness, this would scale to Thanos and Malekith during the convergence
• Cull Obsidian needs his Class T lifting strength changed to Class M (Cull never overpowered any Class T characters in terms of Lifting Strength and was agreed in this thread that him having Class T was invalid and inconsistent as he is clearly below Spider-Man)
• Speaking of Spider-Man, On Spider-Man’s profile, the speed section on his 3rd key should say “higher with spider-sense” because his 1st and 2nd key mention that
• Abilities from the Reality absorbed Malekith and Chitauri Scepter get added onto the Infinity Gauntlet's profile, which would be Size Manipulation (Used the Reality Stone to increase Malekith's body size), Creation (Used the Reality Stone to create new hands for Malekith), Dark Energy Manipulation and Matter Manipulation (Was going to put the Universe into eternal darkness, could turn matter into dark matter)), and Power Bestowal (Gave Quicksilver his powers) and another feat for Statistics Amplification (Amplified the Magic in Scarlet Witch). Note, these abilities are already on the pages, they just need to be added to the Infinity Gauntlet's page
• Thanos/The Infinity Gauntlet also gets Vibration Manipulation from the Power Stone (Created a massive shockwave which covered Titan's moon), and both get an attack speed upgrade to Sub-Relativistic (with the Power Stone only)

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

• Thanos gets a resistance to Extreme Heat (Can hold the tesseract in his bare hand which can melt steel), Ebony Maw, Mark 85 Iron Man, and Loki also gain this resistance because they were able to do so as well (here, here, and here)

What about when Red Skull and Nick Fury (Avengers 1) also held the Tesseract?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

What about when Red Skull and Nick Fury (Avengers 1) also held the Tesseract?

Nick Fury doesn't have a profile and I dunno if Red Skull would scale mainly due to the fact he got BFR'd right after he held it

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Nick doesn't have a Profile? Oh well.

BTW I thought that the Tesseract only produced heat when it was being used (Draw energy from/Open portals) and not that it was constantly outputting that amount of heat?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Nick doesn't have a Profile? Oh well.

BTW I thought that the Tesseract only produced heat when it was being used (Draw energy from/Open portals) and not that it was constantly outputting that amount of heat?

Nope, it constantly emits heat, which is why it could melt steel upon contact

 

[Purgy]

BTW I thought that the Tesseract only produced heat when it was being used (Draw energy from/Open portals) and not that it was constantly outputting that amount of heat?

It melted through steel while not in use.

Though on second thought, it's possible it retained the heat from when Red Skull used it given that it was seconds prior.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Nick needs to have a profile made

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The OP makes sense to me.

 

[KieranH10]

Makes sense

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Though on second thought, it's possible it retained the heat from when Red Skull used it given that it was seconds prior.

Yeah, this is what I meant with it being in use.

In Avengers 1 after it opened a portal, Nick treated it like a Hot-Potato before immediately placing it in its containment briefcase.

The MCU Wiki states that the Tesseract was "super-heated with energy" after it teleported Red Skull.

Don't know if we use the Wiki though.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Agree with everything except maybe the Resistance to Heat Manip, like the only time the tesseract has given of extreme heat was right after it got used, not when it was inactive. Otherwise even the briefcase that held the Tesseract would've melted.

 

[Coolboy6]

On Spider-Man’s profile, the speed section on his 3rd key should say “higher with spider-sense” because his 1st and 2nd key mention that

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Yeah, this is what I meant with it being in use.

In Avengers 1 after it opened a portal, Nick treated it like a Hot-Potato before immediately placing it in its containment briefcase.

The MCU Wiki states that the Tesseract was "super-heated with energy" after it teleported Red Skull.

Don't know if we use the Wiki though.

Pretty sure we don't use the wiki for everything but that does not mean it isn't 100% unreliable

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

I updated a few of the things in the OP, they are pretty simple but what do you think of the new revisions??

 

[Coolboy6]

On Spider-Man’s profile, the speed section on his 3rd key should say “higher with spider-sense” because his 1st and 2nd key mention that

You forgot this

 

[RanaProGamer]

I updated a few of the things in the OP, they are pretty simple but what do you think of the new revisions??

I just noticed what you added for the Power Stone feat, doesn’t this mean that everyone who reacted to the blast from the Power Stone would also become Sub Relativistic speed? Like Iron Man who blocked it?

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

I just noticed what you added for the Power Stone feat, doesn’t this mean that everyone who reacted to the blast from the Power Stone would also become Sub Relativistic speed? Like Iron Man who blocked it?

I dunno, it may be calc stacking

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Bump

 

[Dalesean027]

This isn't something I've seen mentioned but Bucky's MCU standing is outdated and should be moved from being neutral to being in "other heroes" in the MCU at the very least. Other than me bringing that up I think these are good and agree with all except for the tesseract granting resistance to extreme temperature fra

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Agree with all of this. Maybe give Thanos possible resistance to extreme heat? Him not having it at all could be a plausible argument, but at best it's possibly at least as far as I can see. As for the powerstone, using sub-rela speeds for powerstone dodging feats sounds like calc stacking to me, but I'm not an expert so it'd probably be best to ask a calc group member.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I dunno, it may be calc stacking

That isn't what calc stacking is.

I think everything in the OP makes sense. I'm neutral towards the heat thing as well as scaling others to sub-rel

 

[Dalesean027]

sub-rela speeds for powerstone

This also comes from the calc with Eson which is already accepted the blast moved at about 2.2% of the speed of light so really either way the power stone definitely needs a speed buff

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

From the Calc Stacking page:

Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats.

I'm referring to the use of making calcs of anyone reacting to the powerstone.

 

[Dalesean027]

An easy fix is simply to say it varies up to sub relativistic against celestial bodies thereby it doesn't interfere with scaling and still able to use it's accepted speeds from calcs

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

An easy fix is simply to say it varies up to sub relativistic against celestial bodies

I think that's headcanon as that's just our assumption and not confirmed by any piece of media

 

[Dalesean027]

I think that's headcanon as that's just our assumption and not confirmed by any piece of media

So we're left to either axe it entirely or accept what's been accepted in calcs

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Again, I'm not the biggest expert on calc stacking, so it'd probably be best to ask a calc group member.

 

[Purgy]

An easy fix is simply to say it varies up to sub relativistic against celestial bodies thereby it doesn't interfere with scaling and still able to use it's accepted speeds from calcs

That's hiding a calculation, still not allowed.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

So we're left to either axe it entirely or accept what's been accepted in calcs

We can just make the power stone sub relativistic and leave iron man reacting to it at that exact speeds as calc stacking, we do that for Mjolnir and Stormbreaker

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

From the Calc Stacking page:

I'm referring to the use of making calcs of anyone reacting to the powerstone.

In that case, I highly doubt that would be a problem

Just place them as sub rel for reacting to a sub rel attack. It's simple

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

We can just make the power stone sub relativistic and leave iron man dodging it as calc stacking, we do that for Mjolnir

How is a Character reacting to an Attack Calc Stacking?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Eh fair enough.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

leave iron man dodging it as calc stacking,

That's not calc stacking, the more appropriate word would be outlier

 

[Dalesean027]

That's hiding a calculation, still not allowed.

Not familiar with the rules on how these calcs can be utilized and what does and doesn't work so I honestly didn't know that was even a thing

 

[Dalesean027]

Thor 4 bless us with a new Thor flight feat without the bifrost

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

How is a Character reacting to an Attack Calc Stacking?

Calc stacking is when calculating a reaction based on previously calculated speeds for the power stone

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Calc stacking is when calculating a reaction based on previously calculated speeds for the power stone

We're not Calculating his Reaction, we're scaling him to it. Those are two very different things.

 

[Purgy]

We're not Calculating his Reaction, we're scaling him to it. Those are two very different things.

That's literally just hiding a calculation like I mentioned a moment ago

You're avoiding calculating his reactions so you can slap the other speed on it

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That's literally just hiding a calculation like I mentioned a moment ago

You're avoiding calculating his reactions so you can slap the other speed on it

Why the hell do you need to Calc it when he literally Blocks the Attack from like 10 Feat away from him? That's stupid.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That's literally just hiding a calculation like I mentioned a moment ago

You're avoiding calculating his reactions so you can slap the other speed on it

That's not how we do things tho.