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Mikey vs Griffith
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Case in point. Kind of shot yourself in the foot there.
Im saying Guts did his feat while exhausted, that's more impressive than doing it fresh.
100s of fodder means nothing. Could they kill him in one hit? Just as fast as him? Etc.
You're skipping nuance. Like I'm sure Superman could take down 100,000,000 people too, it wouldn't be a skill feat though given the difference in stats, lethality and circumstances.
Not here he ain't, but you missed the point so let me rephrase that.
"A bunch of long ranged projectile weapons that can deliver lethal force to him being shot while he's occupied with dozens of others at once who can cripple or kill with a single good blow".
For one you keeps asserting proof, you sure aren't showing any.
When did Mikey ever show anything close to overcoming 100 people comparable to himself that could kill him with a single stray blow?
Not exactly the type of thing you wanna argue given your position. So what you're saying is he speed blitzed them? That isn't a skill feat, it's being to fast to tag, and given you just argued he's massively faster than guns, something 99% of his verse isn't (and thus Mikey would be massively faster than them), and took it a step further with all these amps.
You all but just argued Mikey simply stat gapped and blitzed, not that he fought hundreds who could pose a threat and thus be qualified as a display of skill.
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He don't get hit in the first place, even when suprise attacked or attacked from behind. He dont have eyes on the back of his head, he's jst skilled enough to understand how to fight that
yeah he's still winning that, he has the hax, biq, stamina, and more to do it
Neva said that, why strawman me
ur not gonna dodge a hit from behind u in a heated battle or block a suprise attack on bad footing btw
can u prove 99 percent of the verse aint faster than guns btw
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Koji EG in biq ahh agenda
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Do you think Mikey is more skilled than Koji, out of curiosity?
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also how r u voting griffith if u cant debunk all of mikeys massive win cons
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We all did actually
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Kisaki is smarter than Koji and Mikey is more skilled ahh
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The tab is still empty Keep it updated, otherwise you’ll lose the votes and the match-up will lose its meaning.
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okay debunk fear hax, paralysis, biq, ad, amps, etc
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Given the sarcasm, i take it as no, good, you have a brain glad to know
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Repeat that
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Fear hax only lasts during transformation
Paralysis requires him to get close to him, which Mikey has to bypass his sword skill
BIQ that Griffith no diffs
Amps is a decent wincon but like.. skill diff
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No it don't, he can activate it anytime, he did with senju
Prove that
how do u skill diff and amp that puts you massively above your values and another amp that makes you faster and faster
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How are you getting mad at me when you are the one who came with sarcasm first when i just asked you a normal question xd?
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you said i dont have a brain and been rage baiting me since the start, obv ur tryna get me mad, I aint even mad yet tho, so, u can keep trying
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Still doesn't last the entire fight
Chariot and me already did
By being a better fighter? wdym
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Anyone who disagrees with you is rage baiting you, is what i am getting from this comment ngl
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No it last when he wants it to last and can scare him long enough for mikey to slice his head off
Nah
ur basically saying u can skill diff a gorilla, nice
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Nah jit, re read the thread
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You just spent a whole post arguing how much faster he is than everyone, I would pray he never gets hit. That isn't a skill thing, nor true anyway, someone has already shown him being bashed in the back if the head, be real now.
Notice how you said hax, stamina, and more; hax isn't skill, stamina isn't skill, and more, which I assume is stats, isn't skill either.
But sure, prove it, what feat exactly has Mikey mauling dozens of armed gunmen actively firing at him while preoccupied?
I mean, you did,
"If they're equal mikey still wins" - literally you.
But if you retract that, that's kind of the problem with your feat. The fact he DIDN'T fight a bunch of people fast enough to tag him and kill him in a single blow, is precisely why you gassing it up isn't sufficient.
How about the multiple characters that have been gunned down, killed, the instant a gun is whipped out the fight flips and they're on the defensive, the lack of feats to begin with suggesting otherwise, etc.
And the fact you're on VSBW, burden of proof is on you to prove they are, not me to disprove what's already accepted because you couldn't.
You will if you're actually skilled? That's what Guts was doing after all, against attacks that could cripple and kill him.
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The thread is mostly you calling people desingenuous, jit, stonewalling etc for disagreeing with you
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no one bashed him in the back of the head btw, when did that happen lol, in several fights hes blocked "sneak attacks" and hits from behind him
Why r we using gunmen like that's what happened in guts feat.
Anyways, draken mauled a gunman, Kazutora saved takemichi from a gunman, etc, Mikey is massively more skilled than them
u replied to me saying something that wasn't along the lines of "he beat 100 people comp to him". So. strawman
btw those all have reasons behind them
shot from behind
pis
massively weakened by gun shots to the chest from behind
no name level
dying from saving someone and outpacing the bullets (u dont have the luxury of moving extra distance when doing that btw)
etc.
Don't try and debate a verse u haven't read.
ts aint even accepted btw
Do u actually vote griffith even though mikey has
massive amps
accelerated d
paralysis inducement
genius skill
fear hax
and more
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The fact Griffith is exponentially more skilled in a sword duel, like they ain't even fighting CQC first off, he's going to using his sword while wearing heavy armor.
So he just magically dropped then.
Because crossbolts are literally just about as fast and arguably more lethal?
And that's precisely what happened in Guts' feat?
A gunman.
But how many? Did he do it while fighting dozens of others with lethal weapons? From all sides? On bad footing? While exhausted? While there were multiple? Actively firing at hin?
You quite literally replied to me pointing out the nuance in relativity and horde stomps with "Mikey could still do it if they were equal".
That isn't a strawman, that's reading what you actually stated and following the conversation.
If that isn't what you meant, that isn't my problem, the words you wrote in the context they were written mean that. I can only be expected to argue what you write, nothing more or less.
Yeah, one of the big ones is "gun fast and go vroom".
And they're massively faster, so?
Which is to say it happened and there isn't an excuse.
As above, not really making a case for it.
So like the fodder Mikey fought in droves?
Yes you do if you're fast enough.
Not good enough.
Unfortunate as it might be, I ended up reading a massive chunk to help Vzearr at one point, and then he like got himself banned, thrice, so kind of dropped that plan, but alas.
Anyway in this very thread you said Guts, known by such names as "the hundred man slayer", never fought 100 armed men.
The better question is why you are debating verses you haven't read if you find that very notion problematic.
Then do explain the current speed ratings?
Of course. Im still going to make a comprehensive argument too, I need to gather stuff but it will likely be done.
Sword voids that, pretty evident even in TR.
Not doing much when he gets his throat slit five seconds in.
Funny you mention that...
Griffith literally has the intel advantage my dude.
Yeah no really funny you mention that, anyone remember Griffith boxing Zodd?
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No it dont, mikey goes from struggling against characters to one shotting and speed blitzing them. He went from being unable to speed blitz 100 goons at the same time to blitzing 550.
His stat amp negates any skill griffith has
prove that
hes got supernatural willpower, he's still fighting after that too
nice 1
not the biq advantage
no
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how about I do what i want mate
I'll update the op when the votes reach enough to win
I'll update the op when the votes reach enough to win
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Btw, you just contradicted yourself here
So it's a blitz and a one shot, no skill found here
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no i didn't
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Yes, fodder, mooks, prove he's doing it to someone already on par or comparable enough?
Also prove he's doing it in the second the match starts. You're acting like it's going to be dragged on long enough for this to even occur when really it ends in 3 seconds tops.
I would like to remind you Griffith has the stat advantage to stat, is also equipped in full armor, and also upscales his value by a decent amount so just going "stat amp" only gies so far, if at all.
The fact he did it to Guts? Easily? Low diff? In his first appearance? That's the "step on his sword" others mentioned even.
As in the character people have been saying mauls Mikey?
Like this isn't Griffth > Mikey.
It's Griffith > Guts > Mikey.
No he ain't. Supernatural willpower is only capable of what it's shown and in no world is having your throat gashed out something anyone in TR is fighting through, if you can point to a comparable example be my guest.
As below..
Really because you just listed it yourself as "a big advantage", why the sudden 180?
Was more talking to everyone else there, you already said you didn't read it so how would you be expected to remember?
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Mikey wins.
Mikeys skill: Mikey lived in a Dojo all of his life and was considered a "Genius" prodigy by his black belt grandfather. Kicked a sealed cider bottle cap off at 4 years old whilst standing on one leg. The best 4-year-old martial arts feats include hitting small targets with kicks, such as a paddle or a balloon. At 4 years old, regular people start to learn how to balance on one foot for a few seconds, whilst Mikey is already able to do this, kick whilst on it, remain balanced, and have great precision to top it all off. Mikey can defeat dozens of delinquents without being hit once, even blocking attacks from behind him, speed attacks, countering anpr users, and being more skilled than other anpr users.
Mikey's fear hax: Similar to Straf from Sekisei Inko, Mikey can project a dark black aura with his Dark Impulse, and even create illusions, shown when he visibly terrified Kakucho after making him visualize a monster. He also induced a murderous vibe on Senju using his Dark Impulse and made her unable to fight and visibly stunned Hanma via fear. Mikey as a kid also projected his Dark Impulse which was seen from Shinichiro's POV when he tore Sanzu's mouth apart.
So Griffith is very much getting scared by Mikey's illusion and fear hax. He has no counter
Mikey's tanked hits to the temple from metal pipes, gunshots to the head haven't put him out instantly, and didn't lose control of a supernatural curse made to make people become insane
Mikey getting a stat amp is what wins him decisively, Mikey's stat amp makes him go from being comp to people to speed and one-shotting them. Its a supernatural amp that can make him go from being unable to blitz 100 delinquents instantly to blitzing 550.
Mikey outsped PRECOGNITION. With his accelerated development.
Mikey has dura neg and can negate armor via ap too.
Mikeys skill: Mikey lived in a Dojo all of his life and was considered a "Genius" prodigy by his black belt grandfather. Kicked a sealed cider bottle cap off at 4 years old whilst standing on one leg. The best 4-year-old martial arts feats include hitting small targets with kicks, such as a paddle or a balloon. At 4 years old, regular people start to learn how to balance on one foot for a few seconds, whilst Mikey is already able to do this, kick whilst on it, remain balanced, and have great precision to top it all off. Mikey can defeat dozens of delinquents without being hit once, even blocking attacks from behind him, speed attacks, countering anpr users, and being more skilled than other anpr users.
Mikey's fear hax: Similar to Straf from Sekisei Inko, Mikey can project a dark black aura with his Dark Impulse, and even create illusions, shown when he visibly terrified Kakucho after making him visualize a monster. He also induced a murderous vibe on Senju using his Dark Impulse and made her unable to fight and visibly stunned Hanma via fear. Mikey as a kid also projected his Dark Impulse which was seen from Shinichiro's POV when he tore Sanzu's mouth apart.
So Griffith is very much getting scared by Mikey's illusion and fear hax. He has no counter
Mikey's tanked hits to the temple from metal pipes, gunshots to the head haven't put him out instantly, and didn't lose control of a supernatural curse made to make people become insane
Mikey getting a stat amp is what wins him decisively, Mikey's stat amp makes him go from being comp to people to speed and one-shotting them. Its a supernatural amp that can make him go from being unable to blitz 100 delinquents instantly to blitzing 550.
Mikey outsped PRECOGNITION. With his accelerated development.
Mikey has dura neg and can negate armor via ap too.
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He didn't outspeed shit
He just moved faster than Takemichi could move, Takemichi only sees the future for very few second iirc (2-3 max)
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his stat amp is instant.... And going from not blitzing 100 to blitzing 550 doesn't matter if you're comparable, it shows a massive speed increase.
Mikey had his brains blown out and could still talk, Takemichi was blasted 3 times with bullets and beaten bloody and still went on fighting. Etc.
I could go on
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Yo is that or is it not outspeeding
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He outsped the user not the ability is what i am saying
