Michael Demiurgos vs Molecule Man

[JackJoyce]

Michael Demiurgos

Molecule Ma

This is post Secret Wars Molecule Man.

 

[JackJoyce]

Bump

 

[JackJoyce]

Bump

 

[JackJoyce]

Bump

 

[DbzDB2]

beyonder stomps

 

[Dziga]

Yeh no. Delete this.

 

[LordUrien935]

How far into 1-A is Beyonder? Michael is fairly above baseline, since he is considered equal to Lucifer who is superior to Mother Night who is superior to Dream, a baseline 1-A. By the way, does Michael not have Transduality? Lucifer has it so how come Michael doesn't?

 

[Eganergo]

If i remember correctly, DC 1A are far higher than Marvel. I could be wrong though.

 

[LordUrien935]

I think you are correct. Most of the Marvel 1-A's are baseline and the few that aren't are only slightly above.

 

[JackJoyce]

Beyonder is the strongest 1-A in Marvel possibly. Pre Retcon Beyonder>Pre Retcon Molecule Man>Beyonders>The Living Tribunal>Oblivion (baseline)

 

[JackJoyce]

Bump

 

[DbzDB2]

Beyonder is the strongest 1-A in Marvel possibly. Pre Retcon Beyonder>Pre Retcon Molecule Man>Beyonders>The Living Tribunal>Oblivion (baseline)

pre retcon beyonder isnt stronger than original living tribunal

 

[Not_Icarus]

he deserves to scale to him imo.

 

[DbzDB2]

why would pre retcon beyonder scale to original living tribunal. they have nothing to do with each other

 

[JackJoyce]

pre retcon beyonder isnt stronger than original living tribunal

Even with a small fraction of his power, Beyonder is still more powerful than the entire cosmic assembly which includes the Living tribunal and Eternity https://m.imgur.com/mZnFG5U

 

[DbzDB2]

pre retcon beyonder isnt stronger than original living tribunal

Even with a small fraction of his power, Beyonder is still more powerful than the entire cosmic assembly which includes the Living tribunal and Eternity
https://m.imgur.com/mZnFG5U

the living tribunal in that comic was way weaker than the 1-A version he later became.

if pre retcon beyonder is more powerful than original LT, why is LT a solid 1-A while pre retcon beyonder is only high 1-B likely 1-A?

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

The anti retrospective scaling can be applied to Michael as well. Also I don't think there is any evidence to corroborate that DC's 1-As are superior to Marvel's 1-A. I would give it to Beyonder due to his immense superiority over the cosmic hierarchy.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

michaele via better scaling and brains pre-recton is a bit of a child, his immature, naive and just plainly a moron while michaele is close to lucifer when it comes to Intelligence

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Muh infinity.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Muh infinity.

muh infiniTIES

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Nah mine is bigger then yours. Trust me.

 

[JackJoyce]

Don't know how intelligence matters in a 1-A fight

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Don't know how intelligence matters in a 1-A fight

well if one can outsmart the other it dose

look up lucifer vs protage that fight went to lucifer just for the fact that he is far smarter then protage

also dr doom outsmarted and took beyonders powers(thats how it can work in a 1A fight)

 

[Paul_Frank]

Literally nothing matters in a 1-A fight besides how high in 1-A you are

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Literally nothing matters in a 1-A fight besides how high in 1-A you are

not really

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Literally nothing matters in a 1-A fight besides how high in 1-A you are

for example who would win a 1-A who is 2 times baseline or a baseline 1A with true godly regen?

 

[Paul_Frank]

The 2 times baseline one

 

[Blackcurrant91]

This is where the 'Muh Infinity' meme comes from

 

[Paul_Frank]

^

 

[Sir_sun_man]

The 2 times baseline one

yeah tell that to deadric princess in Elder scrolls who can regenarate after beign erased by a chim user(over 5 times baseline) while being low 1C

 

[LordUrien935]

True Godly can be bypassed with high enough AP. See Hajun vs Hadou Gods.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

True Godly can be bypassed with high enough AP. See Hajun vs Hadou Gods.

i know but that wasn't really my point

my point was that hax do still matter in 1A fight and that those fights are not desided by ap alone unless we go into insane levels of ap like hajun(mister infinety above baseline) or anu or of god tier cathulu mythos guys like avatars of yug

 

[JackJoyce]

yeah tell that to deadric princess in Elder scrolls who can regenarate after beign erased by a chim user(over 5 times baseline) while being low 1C

You don't really get it. True-Godly or Type-8 immortality might save the weaker 1-A from getting erased. But there's absolutely nothing he can do to harm the stronger 1-A.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

yeah tell that to deadric princess in Elder scrolls who can regenarate after beign erased by a chim user(over 5 times baseline) while being low 1C

You don't really get it. True-Godly or Type-8 immortality might save the weaker 1-A from getting erased. But there's absolutely nothing he can do to harm the stronger 1-A.

im preaty sure if the ap range is not too insanly big(over 10 times) the lower 1-A still can cuse some harm

the whole fight with lucifer and The Basanos comes to mind when talking about this

in their fight bason is clearly weaker then lue cifer since it preaty much gets destroyed by lucifer but due to its better hax and true godly it managed to pull of a win, also outsmarted him as well which also played into the end of the fight

ofcourse if a charater is way above baseline(dozens and above) while the other simply isn't above baseline no amount of hax or regen would be able to give it the win

Also we are getting of topic this is michael vs pre recton beyonder

which michael handely wins due to being a more expirensed being when it come to fighting beings on the same level as him and simply being way above baseline 1A while beyonder is most likly baseline soo it makes this fight preaty moot

 

[Not_Icarus]

Can he beat Pre-retcon Beyonder if scaled to The Living Tribunal though. Since it's still quite the controversial topic for the people in the wiki.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Can he beat Pre-retcon Beyonder if scaled to The Living Tribunal though. Since it's still quite the controversial topic for the people in the wiki.

if he is scaled to the 1A living tribunal then no michael stands no chance since you know the whole "millions of times more powerful then all of the marvel multiverse combined" line exists which means he would be millions of times above base line while michael is not

and it'd be a stomp in beyonders favor

 

[Not_Icarus]

I wonder if Lucifer can beat him at that state with his intelligence though.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

I wonder if Lucifer can beat him at that state with his intelligence though.

no amount of intelligence can bypass such a massive ap difference

 

[Eganergo]

"millions of times more powerful then all of the marvel multiverse combined" doesn't translate to millions of time more powerful than baseline 1A.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Protoge, The Living Tribunal, Oblivion, and etc are a small to a nice chunk at best above baseline.