MHS+ Seems Too Much: Marvel Comics

[M3X_2.0]

Something like

At least High Hypersonic+ (Feats), likely Massively Hypersonic (Feats)

Would work for some of you?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Casual: High Hypersonic
Serious (or whatever you want to call it): MHS

I guess we could phrase it as something like:

High Hypersonic normally, Massively Hypersonic at his peak

 

[Dalesean027]

I guess we could phrase it as something like:

Im fine with this

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I guess we could phrase it as something like:

Looks alright

 

[Jason_Courne]

I guess we could phrase it as something like:

Yeah seems like the best

 

[M3X_2.0]

One potential issue is that the MHS feats aren’t his “peak” and more casual.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Bump

 

[Gasper]

"High Hypersonic normally, Massively Hypersonic at his peak" looks fine

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think it looks fine too. But we will have to find a MHS feat when he operates at peak capacity.

Or change peak from "not holding back" or something.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I love calculating projectile feats especially when calculating them the CORRECT way. Plus I wanted to voice my opinion on this thread.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Well of course, feel free to do so

 

[Jason_Courne]

But we will have to find a MHS feat when he operates at peak capacity.

There's always Spider-Man pushing the Hulk at Mach 400

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far, and what currently needs to be done here?

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Conclusions so far:

-High Hypersonic is for the Street Level characters.

-Currently looking for Spider-Man feats since he should be notably faster, and get a peak speed rating for him.

-Contention on how much Spider-Man holds back against people in terms of speed as his Rogues fight other Street Level characters and which Rogues actually scale to his peak.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We need to find speed feats for Spider-Man (or Spider-People) at their peak. I don't recall any from my memory right now. Only the Hulk one but eh

 

[Antvasima]

Conclusions so far:

-High Hypersonic is for the Street Level characters.

-Currently looking for Spider-Man feats since he should be notably faster, and get a peak speed rating for him.

-Contention on how much Spider-Man holds back against people in terms of speed as his Rogues fight other Street Level characters and which Rogues actually scale to his peak.

That seems fine to me. Thank you for helping out.

 

[CosmicWreck]

Why the hell are we even talking about Spider-Man anyways?

This is kind of like someone asking "why are we talking about Superman?" in a DC content revision thread.

Spider-man is literally one of the most popular characters in Marvel History and is still their go to mascot.

Getting his profile right would go a long way to show we're serious about having high quality comic verse pages.

 

[CosmicWreck]

Relativistic to Relativistic+ Spider-Man

Nice...but outliers. Spider-man being that fast breaks his narrative pretty badly.

 

[CosmicWreck]

We need to find speed feats for Spider-Man (or Spider-People) at their peak. I don't recall any from my memory right now. Only the Hulk one but eh

These are my favourite ones.

Spider-man could barely keep up with an Amped Speed Demon who was running fast enough to turn sand into glass before he was inevitably overwhelmed in New Thunderbolts 2.

Spider-man was confirmed to move in microseconds as recently as ASM 597 solidifying the other MHS-MHS+ feats of the spider people.

 

[CosmicWreck]

I should point out, though, Spider-Man monologued he struggled with guns in ASM 597 and was even shot in the face.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

 

[M3X_2.0]

People basically gave up on this thread. The profiles are messy but not as much as before. Though I still gotta add the calcs to the profiles and verse page.

 

[Kachon123]

I got unfollowed from this for some reason.

This weekend (maybe) I should probably be able to finish the Moon Knight feats and move on to something else.

 

[CosmicWreck]

I brought it up because we have always judged the characters according to their feats and not the opinions of whoever is writing the story at the particular time. Feats being more impressive than what the author thinks is not strange in fiction. I think you guys are confusing narrative cohesion with word of god, which honestly is usually used last.

 

[CosmicWreck]

People basically gave up on this thread. The profiles are messy but not as much as before. Though I still gotta add the calcs to the profiles and verse page.

Please do. I went through a dozen profiles and the pages of this thread in order to find out where the current ratings come from. That's just bad indexing.

 

[M3X_2.0]

It’s really hard to edit dozens of profiles though

 

[Jason_Courne]

Uh so Spider-Man's spiderlike agility and speed makes him explicitly 40x faster than the normal human "street tiers"
The 40x faster statement is sorta consistent with the proportionate speed of a spider, and Miles's microsecond feat (which got Mach 278 or ~55x fastert)

 

[M3X_2.0]

Uh so Spider-Man's spiderlike agility and speed makes him explicitly 40x faster than the normal human "street tiers"

Nah, regular human. That's sub-sonic.

 

[Ped2018]

What is that on his pants?

 

[Jason_Courne]

Nah, regular human. That's sub-sonic.

The thing is a lot of street tiers like Hawkeye, Deadpool, or Falcon, all are treated as "Normal humans" by Marvel, with characters like Iron Fist and Captain America being Peak Human (on the verge of Superhuman) whereas Spider-Man is outright Superhuman

At least that's what Marvel considers for powerscaling


But on an unrelated note, what's up with Beast's High Hypersonic calc? Is it still good to use? Cause that would provide a lot more support for High Hypersonic street tiers

 

[Antvasima]

People basically gave up on this thread. The profiles are messy but not as much as before. Though I still gotta add the calcs to the profiles and verse page.

So what is currently left to do here?

 

[M3X_2.0]

The thing is a lot of street tiers like Hawkeye, Deadpool, or Falcon, all are treated as "Normal humans" by Marvel

Deadpool is consistently treated as a super-human being. I even forgot to make a thread upgrading him.

Falcon has super-soldier status, and Hawkeye just do stuff.

They’re not regular humans, they’re also peak humans.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Deadpool is consistently treated as a super-human being. I even forgot to make a thread upgrading him.
Falcon has super-soldier status, and Hawkeye just do stuff.

Tbh I was just pulling street tiers from memory, I totally forgot Falcon had super soldier level stuff

But characters like Hawkeye or the Punisher are mostly just normal humans when compared to Peak Humans like Captain America or Daredevil, or Superhumans like Spider-Man
(Both Punisher and Hawkeye have briefly contended with Peak Human or Superhuman characters, but they're mostly still portrayed as the streetest street tiers)

 

[Antvasima]

So what is currently left to do here?

What do you currently need help with here, @M3X_2.0 ?

 

[M3X_2.0]

What do you currently need help with here, @M3X_2.0 ?

Sorry didn’t see it. Just need to calc stuff.

 

[CosmicWreck]

And to update the profiles accordingly. If that can't be done for now, at least link this thread on the verse page so people know where the ratings are coming from easily enough.

 

[M3X_2.0]

You can update the profiles if you want.

 

[Antvasima]

We preferably shouldn't justify statistics with external forum post links. You can use explanation blogs instead when necessary though.

 

[CosmicWreck]

You can update the profiles if you want.

When I get home. I'm still at work.

 

[CosmicWreck]

Okay, I'm home. Can someone tell me what to do? I see High Hypersonic Moon night, Hypersonic+ Captain America and Hypersonic Elektra.

I think supersonic is a much more narratively consistent rating for these characters but I digress.

Should Superhuman street tiers get Hypersonic+ while everyone else gets Hypersonic?

(I'm assuming High Hypersonic is an outlier).