MHS+ Seems Too Much: Marvel Comics

[M3X_2.0]

Supersonic is a no no, never happening. Everyone gets Hypersonic, I don't know why they added the +. High Hypersonic isn't an outlier, we just don't have enough feats.

This is the source of the Hypersonic rating: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X_2.0/Elektra_kicks_a_bullet

Should be linked on Elektra's speed section like this:

Speed: Hypersonic combat speed (Can kick bullets in mid-air and keep up with Daredevil)

• Daredevil blocks a bullet (Daredevil Vol 6 Issue 20). Mach 3.7 to Mach 4.5 (Supersonic+) EVALUATED
• Blade's FTE feats (Blade Vol 4 Issue 3 and Blade: Vampire Hunter Vol 1 Issue 3). 215.10525 m/s and 351.7125 m/s (Subsonic+ and Transonic) EVALUATED
• Elektra blocks a bullet (Daredevil Vol 6 Issue ?). Mach 2.39 (Supersonic) EVALUATED
• Elektra kicks a bullet (Dark Reign: Elektra Issue3). Mach 8.23 (Hypersonic)
• Daredevil block an arrow (Daredevil Vol 1 Issue ?). Mach 1.25 (Supersonic)
• Daredevil dodges a shot (Daredevil Vol 2 Issue 103). 211.97 m/s (Subsonic+)
• Daredevil blocks multiple shots (Daredevil Reborn Issue 4). Mach 1.78 (Supersonic)

The feats above should be added to the verse page. I'll add those to Daredevil profile.

Moon Knight: Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu Speed Feat Collection

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Moon Knight: Moon Knight (1980) Speed Feat Collection

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These need to be added to Moon Knight profile as well as the verse page.

 

[M3X_2.0]

@Kachon123 is calcing some Moon Knight feats, @Dalesean027 was calcing some Daredevil feats.

I've gathered feats for Moon Knight and Daredevil.

Spoiler: Moon Knight

The feats I gathered for Moon Knight.

1 - Feat
2 - Feat
3 - Feat
4 - Feat
5 - Feat
6 - Feat
7 - Feat
8 - Feat
9 - Feat
10 - I forgor
11 - Feat

Actually **** you I won't hyperlink everything

12 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/scppkU3)
13 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/tjA0O4q)
14 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/8WmX5JE)
15 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/YPT8xz2)
16 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/dE7MGpF)
17 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/0Nb5dqp)
18 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/LSx3NPW)
19 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/RB2ynqV)
20 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/sqkMQ6E)
21 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/wQFzO42)
22 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/EIrzWpR)
23 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/RlRWlwp)
24 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/4tAae6x)
25 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/lrPK4Vn)
26 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/atdAUA6)
27 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/8d7L8IF)
28 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/a8okxBM)
29 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/qDJafLz)
30 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/JBHvh9I)
31 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/4tRlKxT)
32 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/tMaLxD7)
33 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/HLfigh8)
34 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/sefjjXh)
35 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/CEe151t)
36 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/zWVh5ZQ)
37 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/hLmJfDh)
38 - I forgor
39 - Feat (https://imgur.com/a/vRHs5AX)

References:

1 - Moon Knight (1980) - #1
2 - Moon Knight (1980) - #2
3 - Moon Knight (1980) - #9
4 - Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu - #5
5 - Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu - #6
6 - Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu - #6
7 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - #1
8 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - #4
9 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - #25
10 - Null
11 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - #31
12 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - #36
13 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - Annual #1
14 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - #54
15 - Marc Spector: Moon Knight - #55
16 - Moon Knight (1998) - #2
17 - Moon Knight (1998) - #2
18 - Moon Knight (1998) - #4
19 - Moon Knight (1999) - #1
20 - Moon Knight (1999) - #2
21 - Moon Knight (2006) - #1
22 - Moon Knight (2006) - #14
23 - Moon Knight (2006) - #20
24 - Moon Knight (2006) - #22
25 - Moon Knight: Silent Knight
26 - Moon Knight (2006) - #27
27 - Moon Knight (2006) - #30
28 - Shadowland: Moon Knight - #1
29 - Heroes for Hire (2011) - #1
30 - Secret Avengers - #10
31 - Moon Knight (2011) - #5
32 - Secret Avengers - #16
33 - Hero for Hire (2011) - #12
34 - Moon Knight (2011) - #8
35 - Moon Knight (2014) - #1
36 - Moon Knight (2014) - #5
37 - Moon Knight (2016) - #195
38 -Null
39 - Moon Knight (2021) - #4

Spoiler: Daredevil

Daredevil

• Feat 1 (Man Without Fear Issue 5)
• Feat 2 (Man Without Fear Issue 5)
• Feat 3 (Daredevil Vol 2 Issue 103)
• Feat 4 (Daredevil Vol 6 Issue 1)
• Feat 5 (Daredevil Vol 6 Issue 20)
• Feat 6 (Daredevil Vol 6 Issue 20)
• Feat 7 (Multiple bullets) (Daredevil Vol 6 Issue 20)
• Feat 8 (Multiple bullets) (Daredevil Reborn Issue 4)
• Feat 9 (Daredevil Vol 6 Issue 32)
• Feat 10 (Daredevil & Captain America: Dead On Arrival)
• Feat 11
• Feat 12
• Feat 13
• Feat 14 (Daredevil Reborn Issue 2)
• Blocks an arrow at close range (DD Vol 1 176)

I think I can gather more.

Here are Daredevil and Moon Knight feats for those interested.

I recommend using respect threads to find feats to calc, obviously read the issue first for better context and to not be foolled. Shang-Chi, Captain America and Iron Fist has some good speed feats, worth calcing.

 

[CosmicWreck]

Supersonic is a no no, never happening.

It's the highest average value most calcs got and is thus better than the high end result of a single calc.

Everyone gets Hypersonic, I don't know why they added the +.

Maybe because of this?

High Hypersonic isn't an outlier, we just don't have enough feats.

This is the source of the Hypersonic rating: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X_2.0/Elektra_kicks_a_bullet

Should be linked on Elektra's speed section like this:

Speed: Hypersonic combat speed (Can kick bullets in mid-air and keep up with Daredevil)

Done.

The feats above should be added to the verse page. I'll add those to Daredevil profile.

Done.

Moon Knight: Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu Speed Feat Collection

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Moon Knight: Moon Knight (1980) Speed Feat Collection

vsbattles.fandom.com

These need to be added to Moon Knight profile as well as the verse page.

Done.

It's getting late. I'll add them to Moon Knight's profile tomorrow.

 

[M3X_2.0]

It's the highest average value most calcs got and is thus better than the high end result of a single calc.

They're mostly supporting calcs. Not the average value, we haven't calc even half of the feats.

Maybe because of this?

This was after the rating was applied. But I'd like to have more discussion about this feat (I'm in favor of using it)

Thanks for the rest.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'll be calculating more feats obviously. Though I'd need more help.

 

[Antvasima]

The list of calculations in our Marvel Comics verse page also needs to be updated.

 

[M3X_2.0]

They already did it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good then.

 

[Jason_Courne]

For more support of HH street tiers, Ben and Sue could react to and hit space-meteors (We put meteors at Mach 49.6 however some sources put them at Mach 58)

I also calculated Spider-Man's "Hulk push" feat and got Mach 88, so yeah if he doesn't get MHS then he should at least get (very high end) High Hypersonic+

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. That seems fine to me at least.

What do you think, @M3X_2.0 ?

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'm not opposed to High Hypersonic, I actually believe they should be on this speed, we just need more feats. I think we have like 4 or 5.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Being cautious and trying to find consistency for Marvel Comics tiering is obviously something that I approve of. Feel extremely free to try to help Eficiente apply it for higher-tiered characters as well.

 

[Dalesean027]

Sorry I've been busy with all of my legend of zelda shit then I've gotta get back to doing all of young justice then I can get back to other places like here

 

[Antvasima]

No problem at all.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Feel extremely free to try to help Eficiente apply it for higher-tiered characters as well.

If they scale to this value then of course.

If they want anyone here to calc anything just post the feats and we'll do it.

 

[Antvasima]

I meant trying to find greater consistency as the basis for their statistics.

 

[M3X_2.0]

It'll take some time until we finish this, at least for me, because I'm dealing with this thing here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Eseseso]

Find it odd that the Hulk, the Fantastic Four and such only scale to Spider-Man in speed despite being far outside his weight class in terms of the people they fight.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Find it odd that the Hulk, the Fantastic Four and such only scale to Spider-Man in speed despite being far outside his weight class in terms of the people they fight.

Characters like Hulk and Thing are often portrayed as slower than the likes of Spider-Man. Capeshit speed scaling can be so odd.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Hulk should have some new key for his speed rating. No way that his speed can only varies from MFTL+ to Infinite speed lol

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Being cautious and trying to find consistency for Marvel Comics tiering is obviously something that I approve of. Feel extremely free to try to help Eficiente apply it for higher-tiered characters as well.

I meant trying to find greater consistency as the basis for their statistics.

Hulk should have some new key for his speed rating. No way that his speed can only varies from MFTL+ to Infinite speed lol

@M3X_2.0

 

[Excellence616]

Characters like Hulk and Thing are often portrayed as slower than the likes of Spider-Man. Capeshit speed scaling can be so odd.

In his base

Hulk should have some new key for his speed rating. No way that his speed can only varies from MFTL+ to Infinite speed lol

He can only get key for personality.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@M3X_2.0 @Excellence616

MHS+ Seems Too Much: Marvel Comics

Supersonic is a no no, never happening. Everyone gets Hypersonic, I don't know why they added the +. High Hypersonic isn't an outlier, we just don't have enough feats. This is the source of the Hypersonic rating: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X_2.0/Elektra_kicks_a_bullet Should...

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[M3X_2.0]

I don’t know Hulk enough to scale him.

 

[Excellence616]

In his base

He can only get key for personality.

Hulk should have some new key for his speed rating. No way that his speed can only varies from MFTL+ to Infinite speed lol

He does scale from Hypersonic to Infinite. MFTL+ rating is for 5-B and 3-Cs. Infinite Speed is for High 1-Bs.

Banner is 5-B and scales to Hypersonic speed. CHILD Hulk scales to his own High Hypersonic feat, to MFTL+ to Infinite, Gray is subsonic+ (his own feat or rather Calm Child Hulk who is also 5-B) to Relativistic+.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the summary.

Would that be acceptable for the rest of you?