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Teritary material.
Yes, now that I have a better command of opening CRT than before, I will try it again. I made an attempt to Mftl Crazy Diamond many moons ago. Many people claimed that they debunked CRT without understanding its logic. but it is wrong. This suggests that Crt Crazy Diamond is comparable to Star Platinum in terms of Speed.
It says he's encroaching, not that he's comparable.
It doesn't say Crazy Diamond = Star Platinum or Crazy Diamond > Star Platinum!
No, but many other things do. Cherry picking is still a fallacious argument when extra info exists.
Star Platinum is Still Faster but Crazy Diamond is close to it in terms of speed.
It's referring to CD's peak at that. But approaching is relative.
So-called debunks to my old post: -They explain why Star platinum is faster
If Star Platinum is faster, he's faster.
-The site claims that the speed of Star Platinum has decreased as the Time Stop period has shortened. But there is no official statement that his speed has decreased.
No, what is stated, is that Star Platinum's peak is Part 3. Not just for time stop, but generally. Of course, Part 3 also has a better time stop, but that ain't all he got.
In fact, not only Josuke but also Part 4 Jotaro should be upgraded.
He really shouldn't unless you have actual evidence.
Star platinum's speed scale comes from Silver chariot, not from time stop.
Yes, now prove Star Platinum's speed is still above Chariot, whom at the time was never planned to come back ever again.
In the last scene you saw in the video, Jotaro had to use Time Stop to escape, and yet Crazy Diamond's fist grazed his hat.
Jotaro himself is not MFTL in movement obviously, he was taken offguard as well. And yet still managed to do so. Also, that is Enraged CD, who is stated to drastically increase in both speed and power, to where he can almost compete with Base Plat, that is not CD's base. We also already rate Enraged CD as being close to Plat.
Just because Star Platinum was the fastest stand until Made in Heaven came out doesn't mean no stand can be at least close to it.
Nobody said that, at all, some are eevn quicker. This isn't an argument, it's a strawman.
If the CRT limit is full, My "old" mftl crazy diamond Crt can be turned off
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You took a guide scan, that only says CD is approaching Plat, but also completely and utterly ignored the context of it.
"パワー＆スピードは射程距離に正比例するルール通り、クレイジー・ダイヤモンドもスタープラチナに迫るスピードをもつ。" - the line
パワー (pawā) - "Power"
＆ (and) - "and"
スピード (supīdo) - "Speed"
は (wa) - topic marker (indicating that "Power & Speed" is the topic of the sentence because no shit)
射程距離 (shatei kyori) - "Range" or "Shooting range", used to denote a Stand's effective range.
に (ni) - indicates relation, in this case "in"
正比例する (seihirei suru) - "Proportional" or "Directly proportional", which is directly talking about how a Stand's stats get higher or lower in regards to how far they go.
ルール (rūru) - "Rule" (because it's uhm, a rule stands abide by).
通り (tōri) - "As per" or "According to"
クレイジー・ダイヤモンド (kureijī daiyamondo) - "Crazy Diamond"
も (mo) - "Also"
スタープラチナ (sutā purachina) - "Star Platinum"
に (ni) - particle marking comparison "to" or "towards"
迫る (semaru) - "Approach" or "Close in on"
スピード (supīdo) - "Speed"
を (wo) - object marker
もつ (motsu) - "Possess" or "Have"
"As Power & Speed are directly proportional to the effective range as per the rule, Crazy Diamond posseses speed approaching Star Platinum."
Which, not only confirms he DOESN'T have speed on par with Plat, merely that he approaches it, but he can only even approach it by abusing the Stand Rules.
Literally, the line is literally talking about the scene where CD got as close as he possibly could to spike his speed in a attempt to replicate Plat's speed.
As above.
The actual scene the line is talking about, the whole point was "wow youre not as fast as Plat, so get right up on my ass to try to replicate him", the fact the scan actually doubles down and specifies that while trying to mimic Plat by exploiting rules, he doesn't actually get on par but just begins to
approach him, is not a good thing. It means CD's absolute maximum, something he will almost never be able to pull off without his foe allowing it like RHCP did, is even further away.
The guide scan isn't saying "Yep, Cd is about as fast as Plat". It's talking about CD's absolute maximum speed it can reach by exploiting how Stands function. And that, if CD were to take those rules to the absolute max, he can barely replicate a punch approaching Plat's level of speed.
In fact, this is why have CD's FTL rating, CD, while abusing Stand rules, was stated to have surpassed RHCP's speed which is SOL, and moreover blitzed him with said blow, which is noted to be getting close to Plat's base speed.
But that's the kicker, it ain't standard. CD's normal speed, is in turn noted to be slower than RHCP normally.
In fact, it's flatout stated only Jotaro would be able to catch SOL RHCP normally, with Josuke, failing to every time, albeit only barely.
Part 4 Plat's base speed > CD's maximum unconventional speed (A blitz level almost) > SOL > CD normally.
CD is relativistic, and only FTL under optimal conditions (and with Restoration's top speed). The CRT is built on cherry picking and ignoring context.
The best you could do is argue CD's maximum top speed might be MFTL, but that's a bit off, we only know Part 4 Plat is FTL because he has statements stating he's FTL.
While true he is MFTL in his youth, he is also noted to be at his prime in his youth. And to hammer that in, it is a stated and established concept that aging will effect a Stand's speed.
Which funny enough, is even used in manga itself at points
Here, they directly confirm, in manga no less, so we don't even need supplementary material, that aging will effect a Stand's output. Sticky goes from humiliating the Grateful Dead in speed, with its speed even being pointed out as being an advantage. But as GD's aging takes hold, Sticky's speed falls exponentially, to where the Grateful Dead, who was previously getting outclassed completely, basically statues him and catches his arm mid punch.
https://imgur.com/a/sT9miTf
Anime for a better visualization of how badly aging can cripple a Stand's speed.
Of course, Jotaro's aging wouldn't hinder Plat as bad as it did SF there, he's not that old yet, but that doesn't change the fact it is a thing, and because it's a thing, and because we know Part 3 is his prime, we know his speed wouldn't be the same. The question comes in with, how fast is he still? Is he only a lil slower? Is he a lot slower? We don't really know, so we just cut out the assumptions, and go "yep his ass is at least FTL, maybe higher", because he still has FTL slop and statements and what not for part 4 and beyond.
I disagree with the CRT based on this evidence. The only thing it would change, is a thing CD is already rated for and given, on both accounts actually, I'm not sure why this CRT exists, the changes it wants, we already list.
