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Mewtwo's Mind Hax Resistance
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None.
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I mean, this could easily be argued in reverse. Arceus' Mind Manipulation Resistance is crap because it is on Mewtwo's level.
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Well just because Arceus has trouble resisting it doesn't mean Mewtwo resisting it a little is an outlier since power doesn't equal resistance.
Unless Arceus has some godlike resistence to Mind Hax and is stated to the any other Pokemon in this regard.
Unless Arceus has some godlike resistence to Mind Hax and is stated to the any other Pokemon in this regard.
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For starters, the reverse can't be true for several reasons. One, Arceus is 4-D, and therefore his mental defenses are innately tier 2. Two, Arceus has the Mind Plate, which negates all psychic attacks, including mind hax, and three, he resists the Red Chain, which can control Dialga and/or Palkia, who can't be affected by an individual member of the Lake Trio, who have multiversal mind hax each.
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It's as much as a mental resistance outlier as Homura being able to affect Madoka. In that it isn't.
Also, Matt was on the thread where this got accepted, and Mewtwo's not the only character in the verse with Arceus level hax.
Also, Matt was on the thread where this got accepted, and Mewtwo's not the only character in the verse with Arceus level hax.
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You know this is just reinforcing that it's an outlier for Mewtwo right.The real cal howard said:
"Also, Matt was on the thread where this got accepted"
You say that like opinions can't change.
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Keep in mind that Mewtwo's resistance to the Golden Armor is <<<<<<<<< Arceus'. And as Kal said, an outlier is something that's inherently contradicted Mewtwo having that level of mind resistance isn't contradicted, because the only thing that took over his mind before is the Golden Armor itself.
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Again, why is the standard assumption here:
"It gave Arceus difficulty and Mewtwo endured it so his Mind Hax resistance is Tier 2"
and not
"Mewtwo endured something that gave Arceus difficulty, so that must be an outlier"
or even
"Arceus had difficulty with something that Mewtwo endured, so Arceus' Mind Hax resistance is comparatively shit"
The former has no backing beyond a desire to make the characters stronger, and the later two are more reasonable. If Arceus has Tier 2 Mindhax Resistance feats, it is an outlier for Mewtwo. If he doesn't, and this is his only Mindhax Resistance feat, than his Resistance is crap.
Plain and simple
"It gave Arceus difficulty and Mewtwo endured it so his Mind Hax resistance is Tier 2"
and not
"Mewtwo endured something that gave Arceus difficulty, so that must be an outlier"
or even
"Arceus had difficulty with something that Mewtwo endured, so Arceus' Mind Hax resistance is comparatively shit"
The former has no backing beyond a desire to make the characters stronger, and the later two are more reasonable. If Arceus has Tier 2 Mindhax Resistance feats, it is an outlier for Mewtwo. If he doesn't, and this is his only Mindhax Resistance feat, than his Resistance is crap.
Plain and simple
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A feat is considered outlier only when contradicts other feats from the character (Like Kirby defeating a 3-A and then struggling against 4-A characters). But, iirc, Mewtwo has never been mind haxed
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and neither has Arceus. No reason to scale one for the later.
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Matt, it's the same reason Homura has 2-A mindhax, Clockmon has High 2-A timehax, Yakou Madara has 1-A barriers, Ultimate Kreimhild Gretchen has tier 2 shiz in her tier 5 form, Martian Manhunter has tier 2 mindhax, etc.
I hate using comparisons because I usually get called out for them hard, but it's honestly just that.
I hate using comparisons because I usually get called out for them hard, but it's honestly just that.
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No it's not. All of those actually have feats. Arceus and Mewtwo really don't.
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What? Ya missed the point matt .
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"Arceus had difficulty with something that Mewtwo endured, so Arceus' Mind Hax resistance is comparatively shit"
That's not what happened tho and no one is arguing for that.
Also, Arceus has tier 2 mind resistance because he is 4-D. That alone is enough. You can't affect him with mind hax that affects a centillion of normal people and that's independently from its mind hax resistance feat.
Again, my question is what contradicts the feat. Does Mewtwo regularly struggle with mind hax below that?
His hax resistance isn't related to his AP, it's a separated thing, like Keishirou resisting 1-A haxes and stuff like that
That's not what happened tho and no one is arguing for that.
Also, Arceus has tier 2 mind resistance because he is 4-D. That alone is enough. You can't affect him with mind hax that affects a centillion of normal people and that's independently from its mind hax resistance feat.
Again, my question is what contradicts the feat. Does Mewtwo regularly struggle with mind hax below that?
His hax resistance isn't related to his AP, it's a separated thing, like Keishirou resisting 1-A haxes and stuff like that
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So it's an outlier for Mewtwo, gotcha;
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It's an outlier for someone of his standing in the verse.
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If Mewtwo has 0 contradictiona, then its not an outlier.
Agreeing with Cal and Kaltias.
Agreeing with Cal and Kaltias.
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Except this is a contradiction.
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What exactly contradicts it?
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Yeah Mewtwo would need an actual contradiction first.
High-end resistances fine man .
High-end resistances fine man .
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It was me Pachi ovo
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Wait, are we seriously arguing for Mewtwo having better mindhax resistance than the verse's God-Tier?
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Well given even Deoxys has better Regenerationn than Arceus....
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NO man what?
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Literally no one is arguing for Mewtwo's mind resistance being better, or even comparable to Arceus'.
What is being argued is Arceus without Mind Plate (iirc) > Golden Armor (had to struggle to resist) >>>> Mewtwo's mind resistance (was overpowered but still managed to fight back somewhat)
The argument is that Mewtwo's mind resistance isn't infinitely weaker
What is being argued is Arceus without Mind Plate (iirc) > Golden Armor (had to struggle to resist) >>>> Mewtwo's mind resistance (was overpowered but still managed to fight back somewhat)
The argument is that Mewtwo's mind resistance isn't infinitely weaker
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Except no fiction remotely treats the tier 2 gap as infinite like we do. Evaluate it based on the series itself.
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And you have to evaluate it based on feats. Not abuse our tiering system in order to upgrade the verse.
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I agree with Mewtwo having atleast 4D mind hax resist, if not higher
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Yeah and? This honestly checked out otherwise I'd be debating Howard for literal hours man.Kepekley23 said:
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By "if not higher" i meant above baseline
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