Metro Man Upgrade - Death Ray Edition.

[PapiSavitar5025]

Tally ho, ladies and gents.

You've read the title, so I won't waste your time.

Instead, I'll start by prefacing that Metro Man 100% scales to and above Megamind's Death Ray. An important part of this scale actually comes from the short sequel Megamind: the Button of Doom.
In this film, Megamind has completely cemented himself in Metro Man's role; Metro Cities own personal blue-headed hero. In this film, however, he accidentally triggers one of his more powerful mechanical monstrosities; Mega Megamind.

To try and counter this threat, not-so-mega Megamind dons a suit designed to replicate Metro Man's powers. Charging head-first, Megamind is actually completely confident that he should be able to stomp Mega Megamind -- and even flips the giant robot a dozen feet into the air. Mega Megamind comes back down and stomps on Megamind; whose able to withstand it with his new suit. The fight doesn't go that well, and Megamind runs away with his tail between his legs.

What's important here is that Megamind was, again, confident that with Metro Man's powers, he should have no problem beating down this titanic version of his previous evil self. I remind you all that Metro Man was holding back significantly in every one of their encounters, going as far to call it a "silly charade". Megamind was actually surprised when the Death Ray supposedly 'killed' Metro Man; clearly not thinking the "full, concentrated power of the sun" would be able to stop his life-long rival.

So, Megamind believed that a suit designed to replicate his rivals (one who was holding back substantially for decades) powers would stop the Mega Megamind -- and even takes a blow from the robot. Okay, but where does the Death Ray come in? If you've seen the Button of Doom, you know that at the end, Mega Megamind was actually destroyed when Minion again powers the Death Ray. But a piece of the head actually survives, as shown in the credits.

tl;dr, in-case some people are in a rush or lazy -
Metro Man would scale to the Death Ray via superiority to the Mega Megamind; a piece of which was able to survive the Death Ray explosion, and Megamind himself believing that technology designed to replicate a holding-back Metro Man would be able to easy stomp. Megamind even briefly overpowered the Mega Megamind and withstood a stomp from him using this suit.

Thank you all for reading, let's discuss.

 

[Vzearr]

Agree with the OP.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Didn’t metroman see the laser in slow motion, that should be calced as well

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Didn’t metroman see the laser in slow motion, that should be calced as well

There's also a hilarious feat where Megamind processes MFTL+ speeds as a baby.
However, this isn't the point of the thread.

Let's try and stay on-topic, hm?

 

[TheRustyOne]

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Mega Megamind wouldn't scale to the Death Ray, it was shattered into pieces. If you took an explosion and only your head was left, how exactly do you scale to the explosion? There is no logic here, Mega Megamind isn't even in the same dimension of the Death Ray since it one shotted him.

This just means Metro Man is superior to both Mega Megamind and the Super Suit, it doesn't make him comparable to the Death Ray. Nothing here suggest he could inflict the same level of destruction the Death Ray did. I don't understand how this would even imply that Metro Man is superior to the Death Ray.

Obviously, Metro Man could scale to the Death Ray if some logic is found since none of the above limits him at all. Also Megamind didn't think Metro Man could withstand the Death Ray, he thought he'd break out and take him down. He was shocked that he was "weakened" by the copper, couldn't escape, and died from it.

It's not possible to say his disbelief in this scene only comes from him dying from the Death Ray, when there are multiple factors behind why he was so baffled.

To make it clear, I'm not implying that Metro Man is meant to be weaker than the Death Ray. I'm saying is that the OP hasn't provided proper evidence to show why he should actual scale to it at all. In fact, there might be enough reason for a possibly rating on top of his current rating.

Although, it would only apply to his durability and not his attack potency. We don't scale AP to Dura without justification.

Metro Man had to fake being weakened by copper in order to sell the fact the Death Ray would kill him. Which implies that if he wasn't drained by copper he'd be able to withstand the Death Ray. Now that above I mentioned does still apply, since he could've just avoided it and not tanked it had he not been "weakened".

So it's not fully certain he could tank the Death Ray, just that it could never hit him due to how slow it was in comparison to him and how long it took to charge. Once again, not saying it could kill Metro Man or anything like that. Just that there is nothing concrete in terms of scaling for a solid rating, that I'm aware of.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Mega Megamind wouldn't scale to the Death Ray, it was shattered into pieces. If you took an explosion and only your head was left, how exactly do you scale to the explosion? There is no logic here, Mega Megamind isn't even in the same dimension of the Death Ray since it one shotted him.

This just means Metro Man is superior to both Mega Megamind and the Super Suit, it doesn't make him comparable to the Death Ray. Nothing here suggest he could inflict the same level of destruction the Death Ray did. I don't understand how this would even imply that Metro Man is superior to the Death Ray.

Obviously, Metro Man could scale to the Death Ray if some logic is found since none of the above limits him at all. Also Megamind didn't think Metro Man could withstand the Death Ray, he thought he'd break out and take him down. He was shocked that he was "weakened" by the copper, couldn't escape, and died from it.

It's not possible to say his disbelief in this scene only comes from him dying from the Death Ray, when there are multiple factors behind why he was so baffled.

To make it clear, I'm not implying that Metro Man is meant to be weaker than the Death Ray. I'm saying is that the OP hasn't provided proper evidence to show why he should actual scale to it at all. In fact, there might be enough reason for a possibly rating on top of his current rating.

Although, it would only apply to his durability and not his attack potency. We don't scale AP to Dura without justification.

Metro Man had to fake being weakened by copper in order to sell the fact the Death Ray would kill him. Which implies that if he wasn't drained by copper he'd be able to withstand the Death Ray. Now that above I mentioned does still apply, since he could've just avoided it and not tanked it had he not been "weakened".

So it's not fully certain he could tank the Death Ray, just that it could never hit him due to how slow it was in comparison to him and how long it took to charge. Once again, not saying it could kill Metro Man or anything like that. Just that there is nothing concrete in terms of scaling for a solid rating, that I'm aware of.

I agree with Rusty here.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Sorry, I'll be able to address it soon.

 

[Hunterzillas]

I also agree with Rusty. I fully believe Metro Man is above the Death Ray, but nothing actually shows that he is.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Mega Megamind wouldn't scale to the Death Ray, it was shattered into pieces. If you took an explosion and only your head was left, how exactly do you scale to the explosion? There is no logic here, Mega Megamind isn't even in the same dimension of the Death Ray since it one shotted him.

This just means Metro Man is superior to both Mega Megamind and the Super Suit, it doesn't make him comparable to the Death Ray. Nothing here suggest he could inflict the same level of destruction the Death Ray did. I don't understand how this would even imply that Metro Man is superior to the Death Ray.

Obviously, Metro Man could scale to the Death Ray if some logic is found since none of the above limits him at all. Also Megamind didn't think Metro Man could withstand the Death Ray, he thought he'd break out and take him down. He was shocked that he was "weakened" by the copper, couldn't escape, and died from it.

It's not possible to say his disbelief in this scene only comes from him dying from the Death Ray, when there are multiple factors behind why he was so baffled.

To make it clear, I'm not implying that Metro Man is meant to be weaker than the Death Ray. I'm saying is that the OP hasn't provided proper evidence to show why he should actual scale to it at all. In fact, there might be enough reason for a possibly rating on top of his current rating.

Although, it would only apply to his durability and not his attack potency. We don't scale AP to Dura without justification.

Metro Man had to fake being weakened by copper in order to sell the fact the Death Ray would kill him. Which implies that if he wasn't drained by copper he'd be able to withstand the Death Ray. Now that above I mentioned does still apply, since he could've just avoided it and not tanked it had he not been "weakened".

So it's not fully certain he could tank the Death Ray, just that it could never hit him due to how slow it was in comparison to him and how long it took to charge. Once again, not saying it could kill Metro Man or anything like that. Just that there is nothing concrete in terms of scaling for a solid rating, that I'm aware of.

I agree with this

 

[Ryukama]

Apparently the writer for Megamind also supported the idea of Metro Man surviving the laser. I agree that he scales to it.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

One of the writers says that he PROBABLY would tank it, which is to say, more than likely.

I agree that he should scale to it. Heck, it should be logical at this point.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Agree

One of the writers says that he PROBABLY would tank it, which is to say, more than likely.

Really?

 

[Hunterzillas]

Agree

Really?

Yah. This guy asked and the writer replied.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Yah. This guy asked and the writer replied.

Please timecode

 

[Hunterzillas]

Please timecode

9:51 - 10:21

We get mentioned too.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Holy shit I actually forgot about this thread -- and no ******* way a YouTuber ACTUALLY saw this. That's amazing; but anyways yeah I'm going to re-focus on this and try to look at some of the counter arguments posted -- a **** long ago.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Or, well, actually if one of the writer's confirmed it honestly we don't even need to go over my points; at that point Word of God is probably enough here right?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Bump

 

[SunDaGamer]

I mean yeah, narratively Metro Man was severely holding back the entire time him and Megamind were each other's nemeses and could've ended it anytime he wanted since Megamind never posed a serious threat to him which was one of the points of the film and one of the original writers saying Metro Man could probably tank point blank gives even more credence to scaling Metro Man to it

I wouldn't scale the Mega Megamind robot to it tho since that'd be like scaling a regular human to Wall level because they survived getting rammed by a truck despite breaking 54 bones in the accident.

 

[CBslayeR]

Agree with scaling Metro Man to the laser, don't agree with scaling anyone else.


If anything the Metro Man suit should at best scale to Tighten

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

I'll concede on the point with the Mega Megamind, as honestly trying to continue my arguments feels pointless in the face of Word of God.
Medeus has agreed with the upgrades; is that enough to implement them?

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Bump.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Bump

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Bump

 

[AThe1412]

Agree with the upgrades.

I'll concede on the point with the Mega Megamind, as honestly trying to continue my arguments feels pointless in the face of Word of God.
Medeus has agreed with the upgrades; is that enough to implement them?

It seems enough to me since the change isn't exactly controversial and WoG supports it.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Looks good to me.

Is your approval enough to implement the changes?

 

[TheRustyOne]

We would need one more staff approval. But I have to bring this up, can anyone locate where this was stated in?

We can't take a screenshot from a random Youtube video as a source. We need to get the actual message/question so we can link that on the profile.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Hmm

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't think this is incredibly solid, to be honest. The best evidence is Word of God saying "probably", which isn't a hard confirmation. I agree at the very least that the implication is there, would a "possibly" suffice?

We would need one more staff approval. But I have to bring this up, can anyone locate where this was stated in?

We can't take a screenshot from a random Youtube video as a source. We need to get the actual message/question so we can link that on the profile.

I would prefer this, for the record. The YouTube video above quickly references it but I don't know how reliable said YouTube video is as a source, directly quoting (linking to) the tweet would be vastly preferable.

 

[Homunculus_Jr!]

I've found the link to the tweet

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

We would need one more staff approval. But I have to bring this up, can anyone locate where this was stated in?

We can't take a screenshot from a random Youtube video as a source. We need to get the actual message/question so we can link that on the profile.

I found the exact conversation on X.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

I've found the link to the tweet

ggs

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

I don't think this is incredibly solid, to be honest. The best evidence is Word of God saying "probably", which isn't a hard confirmation. I agree at the very least that the implication is there, would a "possibly" suffice?

There's more to it than that; as the post has mentioned, the movie itself supports this statement.
Megamind has battled Metro Man for years, and even he was surprised when the Death Ray actually did the trick; he never intended to beat Metro Man -- the movie explains that further by saying he has no purpose without a Hero to fight -- just... Fight him. Keep giving their lives meaning; playing out their roles.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree it should be a likely or possibly rather than a definitive rating.

 

[Nierre]

Possibly is fine.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

There's more to it than that; as the post has mentioned, the movie itself supports this statement.
Megamind has battled Metro Man for years, and even he was surprised when the Death Ray actually did the trick; he never intended to beat Metro Man -- the movie explains that further by saying he has no purpose without a Hero to fight -- just... Fight him. Keep giving their lives meaning; playing out their roles.

Yeah, but that could be for a number of reasons. This thread also pointed out that Metro Man is faster than the ray- Megamind being surprised could mean he is simply aware of that.

So this all comes down to possiblies and likelies of a thing that never happened. I agree it's possible. I don't agree that it is 100% confirmed.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Yeah, but that could be for a number of reasons. This thread also pointed out that Metro Man is faster than the ray- Megamind being surprised could mean he is simply aware of that.

Under normal circumstances? That'd make sense, however I'd also like to point out that Megamind thought Metro Man was weakened via the copper interior of the building; yet that still didn't stop the surprised pikachu from smearing all over his face once "Metro Man's" bones came flying in through the observatory window.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Not, evidently, weakened significantly enough for Megamind to consider it a done deal, one way or the other, though. You're arbitrarily assuming that this weakness made it one way rather than the other, I don't really get why.

My vote stands.

 

[MinecraftHater2011]

I think the closest thing we have to in-universe evidence that Metro Man could've tanked the ray is when a post-story Megamind narrates about Metro Man having invulnerability, implying that he believes Metro Man's far above all of his tech, possibly even including the Death Ray.