Metaphysical Aspects in Sailor Moon

[Theglassman12]

Ignoring the fact that "it was accepted in an older thread" isn't really relevant now with the current situation of Sailor Moon star seeds being contested, you're using two completely different translations of the exact same page for possibilities and potential for your upgrade, which is just weird. Pick one or the other because using two separate translations that uses different words in the same page isn't how you prove star seeds cover all things.

Also why are you combining scans from the anime and the manga for Sailor Moon star seeds? Last time I checked we don't consider the anime and manga to be of the same continuity due to the changes the anime has to the original. Plus ignoring the combined continuity post here, nothing about the tau star system says anything about it being a universe, we just see a galaxy and it's stated to be a random region in a separate part of time and space, not a full on universe.

A bunch of these examples being used like possibilities, history, destiny, etc. doesn't tell me much beyond just someone speaking fancy talk about the destiny of the world or whatever, and says nothing about what star seeds are. Also one of your scans literally states every living thing has a star seed, what about History, destiny, possibilities, etc. has anything to do with sentient life? This just looks like extrapolating some random flavor text that doesn't remotely reference the star seeds and saying it just includes all of these supposed concepts because a character said it one time.

What about Galaxia turning Usagi's friends evil has anything to do with star seeds? Nothing in the scan says anything like that.

Yeah showing that the star seeds are something disembodied doesn't really mean much in terms of it being metaphysical in terms of them being conceptual things like concepts, laws, information, narratives or any other thing we use on this site.

Count me for disagreeing with this proposal since it's just taking some scans out of context or just using separate translations of the same page or just combining continuities here.

 

[AsterReal]

Plus ignoring the combined continuity post here, nothing about the tau star system says anything about it being a universe, we just see a galaxy and it's stated to be a random region in a separate part of time and space, not a full on universe.

The Tau star system is currently accepted as a Cosmos Low 2-C. It is included in the new cosmology blog, although it was already accepted as such before the new blog.

 

[SailorRanger64]

Count me for disagreeing with this proposal since it's just taking some scans out of context or just using separate translations of the same page or just combining continuities here.

Can you show proof of scans taken out of context or OP using separate translations? As a matter of fact, I want to propose something to everyone who's been opposing this and these last few threads. Go read the manga and find evidence that what's been said is wrong, because all I've seen is the opposition contradicting themselves, taking things out of context, and just getting things wrong, to which we've countered with feats, scans, and proof to backup our statements. If you can find anything in the manga that goes against what we're saying, then we can have a discussion. If not, then you don't have an argument and I'd prefer to not watch this turn into another 8 page meltdown.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

completely different translations of the exact same page for possibilities and potential for your upgrade, which is just weird.

The word used in Japanese can be translated both ways. There's literally nothing weird about providing both scans.

Also why are you combining scans from the anime and the manga for Sailor Moon star seeds? Last time I checked we don't consider the anime and manga to be of the same continuity due to the changes the anime has to the original. Plus ignoring the combined continuity post here, nothing about the tau star system says anything about it being a universe, we just see a galaxy and it's stated to be a random region in a separate part of time and space, not a full on universe.

Tau Star System is universe and is accepted as universe on this wiki. Also we use the anime as a secondary source to supplement the manga. I don't know who told you that we don't, but they told you wrong.

And since you clearly linked the book of scans, you saw that the Tau Star System is also called an alternate dimension several times, so I don't know why you're deliberately leaving that information out right now. That's weird.

A bunch of these examples being used like possibilities, history, destiny, etc. doesn't tell me much beyond just someone speaking fancy talk about the destiny of the world or whatever, and says nothing about what star seeds are. Also one of your scans literally states every living thing has a star seed, what about History, destiny, possibilities, etc. has anything to do with sentient life? This just looks like extrapolating some random flavor text that doesn't remotely reference the star seeds and saying it just includes all of these supposed concepts because a character said it one time.

The Thyoron crystal created the Tau Star System. Star Seeds create universes as well. And the Cosmos itself has a star seed.. All celestial objects also has star seeds. The statements about history, destiny, futures, and possibilities are about the Cauldron creating them. This directly ties back to star seeds because the cauldron creates star seeds which becomes these things.

What about Galaxia turning Usagi's friends evil has anything to do with star seeds? Nothing in the scan says anything like that.

Because she manipulated their star seeds to recreate them.

Yeah showing that the star seeds are something disembodied doesn't really mean much in terms of it being metaphysical in terms of them being conceptual things like concepts, laws, information, narratives or any other thing we use on this site.

Maybe you should read the metaphysical page becaue it clearly stays:

The term Metaphysical Aspects refers to aspects of existence which are not part of the physical world, or spiritual aspects like mind or soul, but define or govern the world from the background.

Star seeds aren't apart of the physical world, and they aren't spiritual aspects either. They define the existences of several things from beings to universes.

Count me for disagreeing with this proposal since it's just taking some scans out of context or just using separate translations of the same page or just combining continuities here.

Sure whatever. But your reasonings are extremely petty and untrue. I haven't taken any scans out of context. Enough with the baseless accusations. This is not your first time.

And it's not against the site rules to provide multiple official translations to try to convey the Japanese meanings for terms with double meanings. Also I didn't combine continuities, It's perfectly fine to use anime as secondary source to expand upon the material.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm currently working and have some little free time to look at the thread but

Can you show proof of scans taken out of context or OP using separate translations? As a matter of fact, I want to propose something to everyone who's been opposing this and these last few threads. Go read the manga and find evidence that what's been said is wrong, because all I've seen is the opposition contradicting themselves, taking things out of context, and just getting things wrong, to which we've countered with feats, scans, and proof to backup our statements. If you can find anything in the manga that goes against what we're saying, then we can have a discussion. If not, then you don't have an argument and I'd prefer to not watch this turn into another 8 page meltdown.

What the hell? Like, he using OP own scans against him, the context itself is in the manga panel itself, full on context of the conversation, statement, etc... Why do you want him to go and read manga when the panel itself already show the contexts. All the OP did was cherrypicking a single word in the scan and think it is literal while casting off the other parts of the dialogue, statement, conversation, etc...

Worse, why do you guys always want the opposition to prove the negative instead of you guys who need to prove the positive?

 

[MeiouHades]

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Alright, before I start answerin' again, telling me somethin'. What exactly is this thread for? What are you trying to do? Is it just to get stuff that is currently accepted (Info Type 2) and put it into a blog? Is that it?

 

[Eseseso]

Sure whatever. But your reasonings are extremely petty and untrue. I haven't taken any scans out of context. Enough with the baseless accusations. This is not your first time.

Throwing immature insults at a thread mod just for disagreeing with you due to translation issue concerns is not how you win arguments.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Throwing immature insults at a thread mod just for disagreeing with you due to translation issue concerns is not how you win arguments.

Let bro cook.

 

[SailorRanger64]

What the hell? Like, he using OP own scans against him, the context itself is in the manga pannel itself, full on context of the conversation, statement, etc... Why do you want him to go and read manga when the pannel itself already show the contexts. All the OP did was cherrypicking a single word in the scan and think it is literal while casting off the other parts of the dialogue, statement, conversation, etc...

Worse, why do you guys always want the opposition to prove the negative instead of you guys who need to prove the positive?

Because that's how debating works? If I'm able to find contradictions in your argument then it's not a solid argument. And we have, multiple times in fact.
Because you're trying to prove what we're saying is not true, to which you would have to find scans, feats, and proof of your claims. I thought that was obvious?

 

[Vietthai96]

Because that's how debating works? If I'm able to find contradictions in your argument then it's not a solid argument. And we have, multiple times in fact.
Because you're trying to prove what we're saying is not true, to which you would have to find scans, feats, and proof of your claims. I thought that was obvious?

And he and any other already proved the OP claim is contradicted, using OP own scans?, why they need to go to read manga again, it is your turn to counter. Your comment literally invalidate Glass argument and tell him to read manga, that not how it work

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

All the OP did was cherrypicking a single word

This is so funny. All you guys have done is cherry picked random scans, and then ignore my arguments when I try to put them back into context and then stonewall the conversation with walls of text to focus on your cherry picked scan, despite being corrected multiple times.

And he and any other already proved the OP claim is contradicted, using OP own scans?

What has been proven contradicted? Please tell me.

 

[MeiouHades]

Because that's how debating works? If I'm able to find contradictions in your argument then it's not a solid argument. And we have, multiple times in fact.
Because you're trying to prove what we're saying is not true, to which you would have to find scans, feats, and proof of your claims. I thought that was obvious?

Can you show proof of scans taken out of context or OP using separate translations? As a matter of fact, I want to propose something to everyone who's been opposing this and these last few threads. Go read the manga and find evidence that what's been said is wrong, because all I've seen is the opposition contradicting themselves, taking things out of context, and just getting things wrong, to which we've countered with feats, scans, and proof to backup our statements. If you can find anything in the manga that goes against what we're saying, then we can have a discussion. If not, then you don't have an argument and I'd prefer to not watch this turn into another 8 page meltdown.

My dude, stating pointless platitudes and truisms ain't gonna help here. If we really were all wrong and hadn't read the manga or whatever you're claiming, the last three threads wouldn't have gone in our favor where two of them the OP had to pre-emptively get closed to avoid an official rejection (even though it is considered an official rejection, as @Qawsedf234 later told me). You're free to disagree with us but telling us and everyone who evaluated those threads and sides with us (aka the majority including the mods) that we've just been contradicting ourselves and haven't read anything? That's being extremely full of yourself and very disrespectful, so please stop. Some mod's just gonna come in here and warn you like what already happened to @Da3ggman and @Iamunanimousinthat

 

[SailorRanger64]

And he and any other already proved the OP claim is contradicted, using OP own scans?, why they need to go to read manga again, it is your turn to counter. Your comment literally invalidate Glass argument and tell him to read manga, that not how it work

Pretty sure that's exactly how it works.
OP made his claim, you guys made a counterpoint, then we countered that with our evidence. Now it is your turn to show evidence that our side is incorrect in any way.

 

[Robo432343]

Star Seeds are not accepted as metaphysical aspects anymore because of the accepted downgrade thread recently no? The CM part in the metaphysical aspects page

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Srar Seeds are not accepted as metaphysical aspects anymore because of the accepted downgrade thread recently no?

Wrong.

 

[MeiouHades]

This is so funny. All you guys have done is cherry picked random scans, and then ignore my arguments when I try to put them back into context and then stonewall the conversation with walls of text to focus on your cherry picked scan, despite being corrected multiple times.



What has been proven contradicted? Please tell me.

I'm gonna ask again unanimous, what is the objective of this thread? If you're claiming that you're not arguing new stuff, not adding anything new that isn't already currently accepted, and just putting what is accepted currently (Info Type 2) into a blog you made, what is the purpose of this thread? You know you can do this without a thread too right, putting accepted info into a blog?

 

[SailorRanger64]

My dude, stating pointless platitudes and truisms ain't gonna help here. If we really were all wrong and hadn't read the manga or whatever you're claiming, the last three threads wouldn't have gone in our favor where two of them the OP had to pre-emptively get closed to avoid an official rejection (even though it is considered an official rejection, as @Qawsedf234 later told me). You're free to disagree with us but telling us and everyone who evaluated those threads and sides with us (aka the majority including the mods) that we've just been contradicting ourselves and haven't read anything? That's being extremely full of yourself and very disrespectful, so please stop.

So do you have any proof of what we've shown is wrong? Because like I've said earlier, we've countered your points and I'm waiting for your side to show evidence of your claims are correct.

 

[MeiouHades]

So do you have any proof of what we've shown is wrong? Because like I've said earlier, we've countered your points and I'm waiting for your side to show evidence of your claims are correct.

Did you read what I just told you or not?

 

[SailorRanger64]

I did, I'm just waiting for some counterpoints if you guys have more.

 

[SweetDao]

MeiouHades makes sense to me.

 

[MeiouHades]

I did, I'm just waiting for some counterpoints if you guys have more.

Then please try to follow it. Asking for evidence or asking for your points to be addressed is fine but two things you should never do is act like you're entitled to someone response or time and two, act like the people who disagree with you haven't read anything or are ignorant.

 

[Vietthai96]

Pretty sure that's exactly how it works.
OP made his claim, you guys made a counterpoint, then we countered that with our evidence. Now it is your turn to show evidence that our side is incorrect in any way.

No, literally, aside from one new album about Death Phantom, literally OP just keep either repeating himself or accusing others, repeating the same old arguments aren't counter argument

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I did, I'm just waiting for some counterpoints if you guys have more.

Here's a Evidence 1, Evidence 2, & Evidence 3

 

[SailorRanger64]

Then please try to follow it. Asking for evidence or asking for your points to be addressed is fine but two things you should never do is act like you're entitled to someone response or time and two, act like the people who disagree with you haven't read anything or are ignorant.

Sorry if you think I'm acting entitled, I'm just asking for evidence of your claims.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

No, literally, aside from one new album about Death Phantom, literally OP just keep either repeating himself or accusing others, repeating the same old arguments aren't counter argument

I'm still waiting for you to mention where I was shown to be contradicted.

 

[MeiouHades]

Conclusion​

Every universe, star, planet, celestial object and being in the series comes from a star seed. They depend on the seeds for their very own existence. Star Seeds are concentrated power from the Cauldron, the ontological source of everything in the cosmology that also governs reality. By manipulating them, you can control and alter the forms they create, and their destruction completely affects reality, by erasing the forms from all of history.

So, here's the thing unanimous. You claim that this thread is just adding stuff that's currently accepted into a blog with nothing new being added or argued for, but your conclusion is contradictory to that statement. You are NOT granted all of these abilities by default even if you have Info Type 2. For one, the claim that the Starseeds are the Ontological source of everything is a totally, utterly unsupported and baseless assertion here and if your evidence for it is "Well it's Info Type 2!!!!" then you fundamentally misunderstand what Info Type 2 hax grants you.

 

[MeiouHades]

Sorry if you think I'm acting entitled,

Lmfao, seriously? Dude, even I can apologize honestly when unanimous told me I was coming off as aggressive, even though I didn't believe I was but I apologized because I have no right to tell them how they should feel. This is derailment but sheesh. "Sorry if you think...." yeah aight.

I'm just asking for evidence of your claims.

I've stated most of the evidence on the prior pages already along with many other people. Is there anything specific that isn't clear to you? The phrase "asking for evidence" is pretty broad and doesn't tell me much of what you actually want

 

[SailorRanger64]

Here's a Evidence 1, Evidence 2, & Evidence 3

Yep, saw those, and the claims made were countered as contradictory, out of context, or just wrong. Not good enough arguments in any of those threads in my opinion.

 

[Robo432343]

I'm gonna ask again unanimous, what is the objective of this thread? If you're claiming that you're not arguing new stuff, not adding anything new that isn't already currently accepted, and just putting what is accepted currently (Info Type 2) into a blog you made, what is the purpose of this thread? You know you can do this without a thread too right, putting accepted info into a blog?

OP please reply to this message ffs

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

So, here's the thing unanimous. You claim that this thread is just adding stuff that's currently accepted into a blog with nothing new being added or argued for, but your conclusion is contradictory to that statement. You are NOT granted all of these abilities by default even if you have Info Type 2. For one, the claim that the Starseeds are the Ontological source of everything is a totally, utterly unsupported and baseless assertion here and if your evidence for it is "Well it's Info Type 2!!!!" then you fundamentally misunderstand what Info Type 2 hax grants you.

Everything in that conclusion is true regardless of whatever abilities are on this site.

 

[TiltedFN]

Everything in that conclusion is true regardless of whatever abilities are on this site.

Iam can you answer hades question please?

 

[MeiouHades]

Everything in that conclusion is true regardless of whatever abilities are on this site.

So just to be clear, you ARE trying to get new stuff accepted but arguing as if this is just your mundane puttin' already accepted things into a blog, correct?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Not even Muhammad Ali could duck as well as @Iamunanimousinthat . Bravo

 

[SailorRanger64]

I've stated most of the evidence on the prior pages already along with many other people. Is there anything specific that isn't clear to you? The phrase "asking for evidence" is pretty broad and doesn't tell me much of what you actually want

And pretty much all the claims were countered to be contradictory to the manga, out of context, or just wrong like the claims about Sailor Saturn in the Star destroyer thread. It's not broad, it's pretty simple. Is there anything you can find that can prove OP wrong?

 

[MeiouHades]

And pretty much all the claims were countered to be contradictory to the manga, out of context, or just wrong like the claims about Sailor Saturn in the Star destroyer thread. It's not broad, it's pretty simple. Is there anything you can find that can prove OP wrong?

And all of those were accepted and counted with mod vote as well as the majority siding with me. Your claim that they were contradictory, or out of context or just wrong is a buncha hot air that don't mean a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

And all of those were accepted and counted with mod vote as well as the majority siding with me. Your claim that they were contradictory, or out of context or just wrong is a buncha hot air that don't mean a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned.

Appeal to authority. The mods accepted blatantly false information.

 

[SailorRanger64]

And all of those were accepted and counted with mod vote as well as the majority siding with me. Your claim that they were contradictory, or out of context or just wrong is a buncha hot air that don't mean a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned.

That's cool, it's still wrong at the end of the day whether or not the mods approved it.
So can you prove what OP is saying is incorrect?

 

[MeiouHades]

Appeal to authority. The mods accepted blatantly false information.

Okay, so we're doin' this? The mods also accepted a bunch of blatantly false information in your info type 2 (and obviously concept type 1) stuff. I can do this too

 

[Hasty12345]

Yep, saw those, and the claims made were countered as contradictory, out of context, or just wrong. Not good enough arguments in any of those threads in my opinion.

That's a wild claim

 

[MeiouHades]

That's cool, it's still wrong at the end of the day whether or not the mods approved it.

Sorry, hard to read this. Too irrelevant.

So can you prove what OP is saying is incorrect?

I did about a page or so ago, as did @Theglassman12 and many other users. You don't gotta agree with it, but we did prove it. That's how this site works, FYI