Metaphysical Aspects in Sailor Moon

[MeiouHades]

You are aware that every honest person who reads the scan I am posted knows that your arguments are irrational?

Implying that anyone who doesn't agree with you (or finds my arguments more rational) is dishonest. Baseless accusation number 1. Keep these in mind, okay? Not to mention that appealing to this "ghost audience" of yours (that doesn't even exist) ain't helpin' your case.

Death Phantom started as a human on earth and then was defeated and then sealed on planet Nemesis. He died on nemesis, and his body rotted away. His will and resentment was soaked up by Nemesis and he merged with the planet. Sailor Moon called his true form, his resentment. We see a wispy shadow of himself when she calls him out. His isn't in his planet form when he says that.

You clearly make a distinction here between his resentment and Death Phantom himself. No, Sailor Moon did not say such a thing, if she had I wouldn't be arguing over this. His true form can (and may as well be) be non-physical, I won't really contest that but once again that is a FAR CRY (new dawn) from "his resentment is his true form". These two are different things, what do you not get and why?

I don't even understand why you're fixated on this other than just just drag another thread down the gutter with endless arguments?

Baseless accusation number 2, but to answer your question, I like being thorough. I'm sorry but after seeing how disastrous your arguments have been in the past 3 threads I can just no longer let you get away with anything. It's clear that your judgement in interpreting in some of these scenes is not to be trusted.

Metallia has no physical form and comes from a star seed, there ae the examples of the ghosts.

Never contested that.

I have a direct statement that says sailor crystals are distillations of power.

That doesn't make them non-physical, you've literally gone on a whole tirade of stating why crystals being physical doesn't matter so what's with this backtracking all of a sudden? I've presented mountains of evidence of them being literal physical objects, and I've even shown how a literal physical object (a tear) goes through a well-known physical phenomenon (crystallization) to become the Silver Crystal. Your own scan says that, the fact that you still continue to debate this just means you're just arguing for the sake of arguing here.

Also you're completely misrepresenting and ignoring the actual argument:



I have shown that the series absolutely differentiates the physical crystal with the power in side it. And has on multiple occasions stated that the crystal is just a glass bauble without the power.

Here is a literally scan:



Showing the power leaving the physical crystal.

You are conflating the physical crystal with the actual power. The series has on many occasions stressed it's about the power inside.

I am not, no one here contested that the power would be non-physical. Heck, power being a physical object would be weird as hell. Once again, I didn't conflate anything you just subtly moved goalposts, nothing more. Power is (or should be) inherently non-physical. That's how energy works here on the wiki.

I understand that you need to ignore that because it just deflates everything you're saying, but at least try to appear neutral.

Baseless accusation number 3. Like I said, keep these in mind, alright?

The Cauldron creates universes.

Certainly not the universe they're in, since everything that I've stated and shown so far points towards it just having galactic range at best, considering how the destruction of the galaxy (via the destruction of the Galaxy Cauldron or otherwise) would just lead to a new Galaxy Cauldron popping up.

Acting like destinies and histories and futures is somehow a stretch (despite being literally written on the paper) is so funny to me. We already know there exists alternate versions of universes with alternate futures.

This is the same vain as your "fleeting shadows" statement. Just because a word was dropped in the panel does NOT mean you can just run wild with it and use it and twist it to mean whatever you want it to mean. Read the whole panel and try to analyze it within its actual context, nothing here is implying that the Galaxy Cauldron is quite literally creating any of this. I could give an analogy if I wanted to to help you understand, but I know you'll just ignore it so I won't unless you really struggle to understand this. Nor is there any evidence of these alternate futures of the universe having been created by the Cauldron.

It's literally no different to flavor or flowery text saying things like "I'll rewrite history" or "I'll create my own future" or whatever combination of these statements you can find across fiction or real life, and even this is more explicit than what you have.

Already debunked this bad take. complete and perfect are the same word in Japanese. And it literally cannot be their physical forms because the cauldron is not apart of the physical realm and they were erased from past, present, and future before entering.

You misunderstood, I'm not claiming it's necessarily their physical bodies, but the "form" itself is literally just their Complete Star form, the same way the Super Saiyan is a literal form. Guardian Cosmos literally confirms this when she tells them that it'll be hard to maintain this form in the Cauldron (weird for a form that can only supposedly exist in this realm only don't you think?)

if t's just immortality and accasuality, explain why Mamoru was erased from the past too? Mamoru's star seed was destroyed in the present and his past was erased too.

Because you haven't shown that ever happening. I don't have to explain something that didn't happen.

Star seeds already qualify for metaphysical aspects. They're currently accepted as an equivalent to information.

Not for long. Now let's get a bit serious unanimous. You made 3 baseless accusations right here towards me, so now don't start cryin' when I do the same here, because I will. If you're doin' all this in the hopes of just tiring me out or something, hoping I'll just give up and let nonsense pass unchecked, that ain't happenin'. You can't beat me, you just can't. If this is your goal, you failed the moment you started. There, this is my accusation at you. 1 for 3.

 

[MeiouHades]

Death Phantom claims that his will merged with Nemesis and Sailor Mercury then says that his resentment merged with Nemesis and that moves the Planet.

This statement literally has Sailor Mercury making a distinction between Death Phantom himself and his resentment. This is the exact same thing unanimous above did that I pointed out. That's kinda my point here, Death Phantom (in whatever non-physical form he might exist in) and his resentment are different things,

Sailor Moon calls Death Phantom when it's just her will, "her true form." Is that not enough evidence or does it require more context?

Not unless you think his will = his resentment.

Wonder if this thread will mysteriously asked to get closed after staff decide to vote against it….

You betcha!

 

[AsterReal]

Wonder if this thread will mysteriously asked to get closed after staff decide to vote against it….

And the reason for mentioning it is ....? This comment really adds nothing to the thread.

 

[MeiouHades]

And the reason for mentioning it is ....? This comment really adds nothing to the thread.

Threads can have a few frivolous comments, including memes and some humor, and he's highlighting a pattern observed too. As long as they don't completely derail the thread which it doesn't in this case.

 

[AsterReal]

Not unless you think his will = his resentment.

Death Phantom says that his will merged with Nemesis and then Mercury says that Death Phantom's resentment merged with the planet and is "what moves him", what is the difference? In both cases they talk about the same thing using different words.

 

[Da3ggman]

If they vote against it, they'll just be voting against putting accepted information in a blog...

We all know what you’re trying to do here, man.

If this goes through, you’ll use it to inevitably try again at some enormous Sailor Moon upgrade like BDE or God forbid High 1-A+, despite both being overwhelmingly rejected, but aren’t technically rejected in account of you asking for them to be closed before they could conclude.

You’re using next to all the same arguments as in the previous thread, I believe only to disguise them under the mask of a new one in order to not get this rejected by virtue of carrying over votes. And no, it doesn’t matter that it’s technically a different topic, it’s all the same shit that was proven to be false, that you are trying to use once again in the same way. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in my mind, but I think after you tried to (complete coincidentally) downgrade Dragon Ball (a verse the main opponent and debunker of all your threads happens to support) was when I lost hope.

And the reason for mentioning it is ....? This comment really adds nothing to the thread.

This thread adds nothing of substance in the first place. It’s just a rehash of already debunked and rejected things.

However, for the sake of not wanting to derail this, I shall refrain from commenting unless something new comes up. Count me as disagreeing.

 

[MeiouHades]

Death Phantom says that his will merged with Nemesis and then Mercury says that Death Phantom's resentment merged with the planet and is "what moves him", what is the difference? In both cases they talk about the same thing using different words.

That's exactly the issue, you can also interpret this to mean that there's a different/distinction between the two. My interpretation here, of this sentence, is what's different particularly when you have other statements of him being stated to be the planet itself.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

You clearly make a distinction here between his resentment and Death Phantom himself. No, Sailor Moon did not say such a thing, if she had I wouldn't be arguing over this. His true form can (and may as well be) be non-physical, I won't really contest that but once again that is a FAR CRY (new dawn) from "his resentment is his true form". These two are different things, what do you not get and why?

That doesn't make them non-physical, you've literally gone on a whole tirade of stating why crystals being physical doesn't matter so what's with this backtracking all of a sudden? I've presented mountains of evidence of them being literal physical objects, and I've even shown how a literal physical object (a tear) goes through a well-known physical phenomenon (crystallization) to become the Silver Crystal. Your own scan says that, the fact that you still continue to debate this just means you're just arguing for the sake of arguing here.

You literally said:

No one, absolutely no one here, contested the idea that the power inside the crystals would be non-physical.

And again, you are refusing to actually address the point.

Maybe if I bold it you will actually address it:

"The series has multiple times addressed that the physical crystals are unimportant and its the power inside them that's mattered. Villains have gotten their hands on the physical crystal and found that it's completely useless without Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon is directly shown that she is able to separate the power from crystal, and render her crystal to basically a piece of glass" .

It's literally no different to flavor or flowery text saying things like "I'll rewrite history" or "I'll create my own future" or whatever combination of these statements you can find across fiction or real life, and even this is more explicit than what you have.

It's just "flowery language" is the biggest BS argument someone could pull and just a big waste of everyone's time, especially for magical girl series.

The statements are literal and can be taken literal. We see that the cauldron can create universes, therefore by literal definition of a universe, it can create futures, histories, and destinies. Or are you going to argue that universes don't have futures or histories?

Because you haven't shown that ever happening. I don't have to explain something that didn't happen.

how are you just arguing if you didn't even read my OP. Stop wasting my time. I literally shown him being erased from the past. So answer the question:

If it's just acausality and immortality, then why did erasing present time's mamoru's star seed erase him from the past?

If it's just acaualisty and immortality negation, then only his future would get erased. But his past was erased too. So answer the question.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

We all know what you’re trying to do here, man.

If this goes through, you’ll use it to inevitably try again at some enormous Sailor Moon upgrade like BDE or God forbid High 1-A+, despite both being overwhelmingly rejected, but aren’t technically rejected in account of you asking for them to be closed before they could conclude.

You’re using next to all the same arguments as in the previous thread, I believe only to disguise them under the mask of a new one in order to not get this rejected by virtue of carrying over votes. And no, it doesn’t matter that it’s technically a different topic, it’s all the same shit that was proven to be false, that you are trying to use once again in the same way. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in my mind, but I think after you tried to (complete coincidentally) downgrade Dragon Ball (a verse the main opponent and debunker of all your threads happens to support) was when I lost hope.


This thread adds nothing of substance in the first place. It’s just a rehash of already debunked and rejected things.

However, for the sake of not wanting to derail this, I shall refrain from commenting unless something new comes up. Count me as disagreeing.

I think it's cute that I keep you up at night. Anways...

 

[Da3ggman]

I think it's cute that I keep you up at night. Anways...

Didn’t deny it tho….

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Didn’t deny it tho….

This verse is going the way of Tokyo Revengers isn't it?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Didn’t deny it tho….

Because I'm not on trial.

Wanting to put information in half rejected thread into it's separate blog is objectively a smart and useful thing to do. But because "you've lost hope" in me, you want to figure out to make it into some malicious intent. i really don't care and I don't have time for moralizing on a power scaling blog. You gotta an actual problem with the OP and want to discuss, then I'll do that, until then, you're just derailing and wasting my time.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

This verse is going the way of Tokyo Revengers isn't it?

Several months later, new staff member makes News & Announcements post titled "I am Iamunanimousinthat"

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT @Agnaa @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Sir_Ovens @Maverick_Zero_X @Everything12 @Theglassman12 @KingTempest @Emirp sumitpo @UchihaSlayer96 @Reiner04 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Catzlaflame @Nierre Guys, need help here.

 

[MeiouHades]

Right, and where's her calling his resentment his true form in here?

You literally said:
And again, you are refusing to actually address the point.
Maybe if I bold it you will actually address it:

"The series has multiple times addressed that the physical crystals are unimportant and its the power inside them that's mattered. Villains have gotten their hands on the physical crystal and found that it's completely useless without Sailor Moon. Sailor Moon is directly shown that she is able to separate the power from crystal, and render her crystal to basically a piece of glass" .

What part of it do you want me to address exactly? I already said that the power inside the crystals is non-physical, it'd be weird if it wasn't. What the crystals aren't though are these transcendent, conceptual objects that was your original premise that has been thoroughly debunked at this point. You've had to switch completely to the "power" argument for that reason and you still don't see it? Also, the fact that the power in star seeds normally fades to near-nothingness when their hosts die (although the star seed will implicitly gain power later and revive their host) means that star seeds are affected by their hosts and very much. It's even stated multiple times that the power of the silver Crystal depends on Sailor Moon's own heart (not her literal, physical heart so please don't misinterpret this again).

It's just "flowery language" is the biggest BS argument someone could pull and just a big waste of everyone's time, especially for magical girl series.

Yeah I wonder why lmfao.

The statements are literal and can be taken literal.

No, not without context at least and I've shown how wrong that is in many threads by now and how it'll lead to horrendously wrong interpretations.

We see that the cauldron can create universes

No we can't, not this universe anyway at least.

therefore by literal definition of a universe, it can create futures, histories, and destinies.

Feel free to prove both of those things. Hell, I'll do you one better. It's already proven that the Cauldron creates all the stars and even people, right? But I'll go ahead and say that it doesn't create their futures or histories or destinies. Go ahead and prove this wrong if you can.

Or are you going to argue that universes don't have futures or histories?

They do but the Cauldron certainly didn't create them, or the main universe to begin with because it's destruction can barely affect the galaxy as a whole and a new one will pop up anyway like it was no big deal.

how are you just arguing if you didn't even read my OP. Stop wasting my time. I literally shown him being erased from the past. So answer the question:

Where? You showed him and his starseed getting erased in the present and his future self getting erased after that. Where was "past" Mamoru shown? Am I missing a scan or something?

If it's just acausality and immortality, then why did erasing present time's mamoru's star seed erase him from the past?

If it's just acaualisty and immortality negation, then only his future would get erased. But his past was erased too. So answer the question.

I'm gonna need scans for these first.

I think it's cute that I keep you up at night. Anways...

 

[Huesito88]

This verse is going the way of Tokyo Revengers isn't it?

Atleast we got Toei Anime to do as a fail safe

 

[Da3ggman]

you're just derailing and wasting my time.

Fair enough, I suppose (just this specific part, nothing else). Best I quit before things get any worse than they already are.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Da3ggman @Iamunanimousinthat Both of you behave, the next confrontational comment from either of you will be a warning, is that clear?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

What part of it do you want me to address exactly? I already said that the power inside the crystals is non-physical, it'd be weird if it wasn't. What the crystals aren't though are these transcendent, conceptual objects that was your original premise that has been thoroughly debunked at this point. You've had to switch completely to the "power" argument for that reason and you still don't see it? Also, the fact that the power in star seeds normally fades to near-nothingness when their hosts die (although the star seed will implicitly gain power later and revive their host) means that star seeds are affected by their hosts and very much. It's even stated multiple times that the power of the silver Crystal depends on Sailor Moon's own heart (not her literal, physical heart so please don't misinterpret this again).

Having discussed these points in particular off-site, I think you make the most sense here and strongly disagree with the CRT.

 

[Da3ggman]

@Da3ggman @Iamunanimousinthat Both of you behave, the next confrontational comment from either of you will be a warning, is that clear?

Crystal.

 

[MeiouHades]

@Da3ggman @Iamunanimousinthat Both of you behave, the next confrontational comment from either of you will be a warning, is that clear?

Howdy glass, I'd like to hear what ya think of this.

 

[MeiouHades]

Crystal.

You mean conceptual, transcendent crystal?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Right, and where's her calling his resentment his true form in here?

You're just stonewalling and I'm not going to argue this point anymore. No work of fiction needs to spell things out like its an episode of dora the explore.

What part of it do you want me to address exactly? I already said that the power inside the crystals is non-physical, it'd be weird if it wasn't. What the crystals aren't though are these transcendent, conceptual objects that was your original premise that has been thoroughly debunked at this point. You've had to switch completely to the "power" argument for that reason and you still don't see it?

Switched my argument? It's in the OP. LOL (also I didn't mention transcendental or conceptual in the OP so why are you bringing it up here?)

The power inside is the main thing. The Sailor Crystals and star seeds are literally called distillations of power. Sailor Galaxia destroys the crystals and takes the power inside, which become the star seeds and sailor crystals.

All your arguments about the crystals being physical are about the physical cases that hold the power. It's the actual power that's important. I have repeated this so many times.

Also this is getting to a point of absurdity! The author is trying to depict high level concepts, so obviously they have to use shorthands. Metaphysical things aren't real and there's no 1 way to show them. The series is pretty clear that when we see star seeds we are seeing distillations of power.

This is like claiming the ki in Dragonball is purely physical because Goku can hold on to it or use it in a physical manner. If we have to start debunking based on artistic liberties then, literally every verse will be gone from this site.

Also, the fact that the power in star seeds normally fades to near-nothingness when their hosts die (although the star seed will implicitly gain power later and revive their host)

What is even this point? When they die, the star seeds return back to the cauldron, you know this because you've specifically stated this yourself.

They do but the Cauldron certainly didn't create them, or the main universe to begin with because it's destruction can barely affect the galaxy as a whole and a new one will pop up anyway like it was no big deal.

This is a strawman. The destruction of the cauldron and the galaxy has nothing to do with the Cauldron creating universes.

We know the cauldron created the Thyoron Crystal which created the Taus Star System which is a universe. So yes, the Cauldron has created histories, and futures literally before, unless you're claiming the Tau Star System doesn't have history or a future.

Where? You showed him and his starseed getting erased in the present and his future self getting erased after that. Where was "past" Mamoru shown? Am I missing a scan or something?

Fine. I'll post it here. Maybe you really didn't see it.

But my question still stands:



We clearly see this photo taken in the past, and both Chibiusa and mamoru fade away.

If it's just acausality and immortality, then why did erasing present time's mamoru's star seed erase him from the past?

If it's just acaualisty and immortality negation, then only his future would get erased. But his past was erased too. So answer the question.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

It's even stated multiple times that the power of the silver Crystal depends on Sailor Moon's own heart (not her literal, physical heart so please don't misinterpret this again).

And what's the point of this statement? I forgot to add it.

Yes, the power of the silver crystal depends on her heart. They are the one in the same. Sailor Moon literally says that the silver crystal is responsible for existence:



How does any of this actually disproves that the silver crystal defines her?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Merging with a planet doesn't make you a non-physical or abstract thing.

Like, you quite literally became a physical celestial object.

Abstract Moro fra

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Merging with a planet doesn't make you a non-physical or abstract thing.

Like, you quite literally became a physical celestial object.

Honest question, what form was Death Phantom in when he merged with the planet?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

If it's just acausality and immortality, then why did erasing present time's mamoru's star seed erase him from the past?

If it's just acaualisty and immortality negation, then only his future would get erased. But his past was erased too. So answer the question.

This is just basic Casuality Manipulation. So, if a character can erase someone from history we give him metaphysical aspects?

 

[MeiouHades]

You're just stonewalling and I'm not going to argue this point anymore. No work of fiction needs to spell things out like its an episode of dora the explore.

Okay? Is that a concession on the resentment point then?

Switched my argument? It's in the OP. LOL (also I didn't mention transcendental or conceptual in the OP so why are you bringing it up here?)

Cuz that was your original premise, I'm not saying that this is what you're arguing right now but rather that the reason you had to switch to this newer argument (not within this thread but this thread is a result of that switch) is because them being these transcendental, non-physical objects was debunked.

The power inside is the main thing. The Sailor Crystals and star seeds are literally called distillations of power. Sailor Galaxia destroys the crystals and takes the power inside, which become the star seeds and sailor crystals.

So you agree that the star seeds or sailor crystals themselves aren't non-physical and can be handled physically and were literally made from a physical process on another physical object, right?

All your arguments about the crystals being physical are about the physical cases that hold the power. It's the actual power that's important. I have repeated this so many times.

Your only point here is that the power is non-physical, which I've already said is fine. The real issue is that this doesn't help you. You're stating what is basically a standard assumption, energy manipulation is inherently non-physical

Also this is getting to a point of absurdity! The author is trying to depict high level concepts, so obviously they have to use shorthands.

Now you wanna talk about authorial intent? Where was this when I tried telling you countless times how flavor or flowery text is used in these contexts?

Metaphysical things aren't real and there's no 1 way to show them. The series is pretty clear that when we see star seeds we are seeing distillations of power.

And one of them was also made from a tear that went through the process of crystallization. Your point?

This is like claiming the ki in Dragonball is purely physical because Goku can hold on to it or use it in a physical manner. If we have to start debunking based on artistic liberties then, literally every verse will be gone from this site.

That ain't a weird take, many Ki techniques are actually physical. I'm not even gonna cite any scans here, if you've watched or read Dragon Ball you know what I'm referring to. But the energy themselves, within the warriors (or for example when Goku collects energy for the Spirit Bomb), that is the non-physical part which we ALREADY assume is the case for the power inside the crystals. So no, this is neither weird nor some novel take like you believe it is. Now you can use Ki to interact with non-physical or abstract stuff too, yes. Could say the same for the power within the crystals, but that's a different argument than stating that the crystals themselves must be non-physical and/or abstract. There, I hope this is clear. I used your own analogy and showed how consistent my point is.

What is even this point? When they die, the star seeds return back to the cauldron, you know this because you've specifically stated this yourself.

The point here is that neither the crystals nor their power is completely independent of or unaffected by the existence of their host. It also works the other way around, the Silver Crystal's power is directly dependent upon Sailor Moon's heart (or mind, if you will), and if the Sailor Senshi die the crystal starts losing power completely. Actually this is exactly how Ki works, almost. It's funny how you brought that example up but this is completely consistent. So the point here was to show that neither the crystal nor its power are "independent" of its hosts' state of being or existence.

This is a strawman. The destruction of the cauldron and the galaxy has nothing to do with the Cauldron creating universes.

Well you have no evidence of it creating this universe, that's all I'm sayin'

We know the cauldron created the Thyoron Crystal which created the Taus Star System which is a universe. So yes, the Cauldron has created histories, and futures literally before, unless you're claiming the Tau Star System doesn't have history or a future.

The Tau Star System ain't this (main Sailor Moon) universe. And no it is a stretch to claim all of this later, we've actually had to bring specific statements about History of the universes to get Hakai to have History EE as well (relax, not comparing DB to SM, just making a point) so yes you do actually need specific statements for it as far as I know. I don't like this standard anymore than you do, I'm just tellin' you how it usually is.

Fine. I'll post it here. Maybe you really didn't see it.

But my question still stands:



We clearly see this photo taken in the past, and both Chibiusa and mamoru fade away.

If it's just acausality and immortality, then why did erasing present time's mamoru's star seed erase him from the past?

If it's just acaualisty and immortality negation, then only his future would get erased. But his past was erased too. So answer the question.

That looks like a movie if I'm not mistaken? Is this scene in the manga?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

This is just basic Casuality Manipulation. So, if a character can erase someone from history we give him metaphysical aspects?

Except what initiated the erasure was Mamoru's star seed being erased. A character didn't manually do it.

Also that's not basic causality manipulation?? Can you please back up your claim by providing the portion on that page that explains such a thing.

You guys are just jumping through hoops to deny the fact that if someone's star seed is destroyed they're going to be erased across history.

 

[MeiouHades]

And what's the point of this statement? I forgot to add it.

Yes, the power of the silver crystal depends on her heart. They are the one in the same. Sailor Moon literally says that the silver crystal is responsible for existence:



How does any of this actually disproves that the silver crystal defines her?

She's literally asking if she'd never be born if it weren't for the Silver Crystal lmfao, this ain't some confirmation of that.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Cuz that was your original premise, I'm not saying that this is what you're arguing right now but rather that the reason you had to switch to this newer argument (not within this thread but this thread is a result of that switch) is because them being these transcendental, non-physical objects was debunked.

This is irrelevant. Either argue about the OP, or don't. Stop bringing in baggage from other threads.

So you agree that the star seeds or sailor crystals themselves aren't non-physical and can be handled physically and were literally made from a physical process on another physical object, right?

I have said repeatedly, that star seeds are distillations of power. You have said power is non-physical.

Also your point is moot because Sailor Moon characters can handle nonphysical items like souls and power. I literally showed you sailor moon handling power by putting inside Mamoru.

Only characters who can handle star seeds are High Level EOS characters. Not regular people with no NPI.

The point here is that neither the crystals nor their power is completely independent of or unaffected by the existence of their host. It also works the other way around, the Silver Crystal's power is directly dependent upon Sailor Moon's heart (or mind, if you will), and if the Sailor Senshi die the crystal starts losing power completely. Actually this is exactly how Ki works, almost. It's funny how you brought that example up but this is completely consistent. So the point here was to show that neither the crystal nor its power are "independent" of its hosts' state of being or existence.

Your point is null and void, because the star seeds exist onwards after the host is dead.

Also where is your evidence. Where is it stated that if senshi die their crystals star losing power completely? That's completely untrue! The Animamates use the power of dead senshi and rival EOS Sailor Moon.

And one of them was also made from a tear that went through the process of crystallization. Your point?

This is the last time I'm going to address this. What was crystallized is the physical crystal, which I have proven again and again, is not the star seed. The star seed exists inside the physical crystal and the physical crystal has to be destroyed first in order to get it. It's the power inside. I'm tired of repeating the same arguments. Just say you disagree instead of repeating the same thing over and over again.

The Tau Star System ain't this (main Sailor Moon) universe.

Stop dodging the question. The Tau Star System was created by the Cauldron, therefore the cauldron has created histories and futures. Therefore we can take it's statement of creating histories and futures literally.

That looks like a movie if I'm not mistaken? Is this scene in the manga?

It's a movie that's based off the manga and we can use it as a secondary canon to expand upon the manga. And yes this scene occurs in the manga, the movie expands upon it.

now please answer my question:

We clearly see this photo taken in the past, and both Chibiusa and mamoru fade away.

If it's just acausality and immortality, then why did erasing present time's mamoru's star seed erase him from the past?

If it's just acaualisty and immortality negation, then only his future would get erased. But his past was erased too. So answer the question.

 

[MeiouHades]

This is gonna have to wait a bit cuz my T-bone steak can't. Hope ya don't mind.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It got "debunked" for Conceptual Manipulation.

Just because a statement doesn't fit the standards for x, doesn't mean it's false or untrue. That's absurd. The story is still the story, regardless of whether it fits in the wikis standards or not.

Will no, CRT is for debunked statements and Conceptual Manipulation as you can see

Operation: Star Destroyer

This thread proposes the removal of Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 for the Sailor Moon Universe, which was based on the arguments made in this previous thread. Credit to @MeiouHades for creating 80-90% of this. All possibilities, potential, beings, objects, power and abilities all originate...

vsbattles.com

And I ask one of staffs and he say it maybe break rules.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Will no, CRT is for debunked statements and Conceptual Manipulation as you can see

Operation: Star Destroyer

This thread proposes the removal of Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 for the Sailor Moon Universe, which was based on the arguments made in this previous thread. Credit to @MeiouHades for creating 80-90% of this. All possibilities, potential, beings, objects, power and abilities all originate...

vsbattles.com

And I ask one of staffs and he say it maybe break rules.

If a character says, "I'll freeze you to the lowest possible limit" and then used an ice based attack, and I tried to argue it's absolute zero, and then that got rejected, would I be unable to say they used an ice based attack?

 

[KingTempest]

@DontTalkDT @Agnaa @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Celestial_Pegasus @Andytrenom @Sir_Ovens @Maverick_Zero_X @Everything12 @Theglassman12 @KingTempest @Emirp sumitpo @UchihaSlayer96 @Reiner04 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Catzlaflame @Nierre Guys, need help here.

What you w-

Metaphysical Aspects in Sailor Moon​

Ughhhhh

Idk much about metaphysics

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

If a character says, "I'll freeze you to the lowest possible limit" and then used an ice based attack, and I tried to argue it's absolute zero, and then that got rejected, would I be unable to say they used an ice based attack?

What does this have to do with that, the statement you're using is unusable until months later because it was rejected and you're using it for the same reason "star seeds is Metaphysical Aspects" got debunked, and anyway I'm not interested in girls verses.

 

[SailorRanger64]

Not sure why this needs this much discussion, it's fairly simple when you think about it.

1. Star Seeds and Sailor Crystals are the source of existence for beings, celestial bodies, and unvierses
2. Destroying the Star Seeds and Sailor Crystals, erases the beings and objects from reality
3. The Star Seeds and Sailor Crystals are unaffected by the destruction of the beings and objects

 

[SailorRanger64]

What does this have to do with that, the statement you're using is unusable until months later because it was rejected and you're using it for the same reason "star seeds is Metaphysical Aspects" got debunked, and anyway I'm not interested in girls verses.

...What was even the point of that last part?

 

[MeiouHades]

Snip

Alright, before I start answerin' again, telling me somethin'. What exactly is this thread for? What are you trying to do? Is it just to get stuff that is currently accepted (Info Type 2) and put it into a blog? Is that it?

 

[MeiouHades]

...What was even the point of that last part?

He's not interested in girls verses