Ser_Hakim_Dayne
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Now Konami, please make the Portable Collection and MGR remaster so I can play them all.
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Metal Gear Discussion Thread
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Ser_Hakim_Dayne
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Are you talking about planned CRTs or something?
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Something like that
Ser_Hakim_Dayne
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What are your plans for RE9?
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Uh, calc or help stuff for Baken in chat, get clips he can slip into the profile/featbox. Idk I'm just gonna play it day 1 and help out in our chat, like 10 of us are, the RE9 thing isn't so much a "me" CRT as it is "it's RE9 no shit I'm dropping stuff for that". Would even if I didn't plan on helping.
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The final cutscenes of the game are as long as a short film, so no, we get to watch it
Ser_Hakim_Dayne
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Hey dude, newsflash, you're not allowed to ******* do that.Just saw the new Raiden changes and wdym I missed a whole CRT
**** with it gain and I'll report you, and actively push for a punishment as well, now fix it before I report you anyway.
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What's wrong?
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he removed the peak 2d renders
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Genius over there decided to **** with, and delete renders and shit.
No CRT, no discussion either, who tf decided to put them in charge? Rhetorical, nobody.
Honestly I'm notifying mods regardless, I didn't waste my time doing that shit for someone to take matters into their own hands with zero permission to do so.
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Oh right, nice job ******* up the sizes by the way, as if the sizes weren't set to have them line up with the summary so there wasn't just a whole giant empty gap of empty space and to line up with standard 100% default web browser zoom in, but **** me I guess, not like shit wasn't done a certain way on purpose.
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Remind me to not view pages in desktop mode while on mobile, shit is obviously not compatible and makes everything squished
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It isn't. Honestly it's annoying but mobile fandom isn't compatible with most of the code and VSBW doesn't wanna like, idk, evolve like the JoJo wiki did o not much I can do about that. Wiki is primitive af, could do a whole lot more if we weren't stuck using sch outdated formats.
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I do think some of the revengeance renders need to be sized down a bit, Raiden is way too large here
Someone also removed some of Snake's 2D renders a while back
Someone also removed some of Snake's 2D renders a while back
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Quote problem, the quote itself would need to be removed or cut instead.I do think some of the revengeance renders need to be sized down a bit, Raiden is way too large here
Someone also removed some of Snake's 2D renders a while back
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Well ill say, this forum site is absolute dog shit. Nearly any time whenever I want to load into a new page, the site will permanently freeze up. I'll usually either have to wait until it completely refreshes by waiting in another app, or by re-opening it on different tabs. It wasn't bad like this before, but after an update things shat the bed hard.
StarShooter80
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Removed the quotes in a sandbox and the issue remains, do you view it differently on your device?
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Well yeah because now you removed the quotes as a whole so all the lining up and shit needs to compensated for the summary now instead as it got moved upRemoved the quotes in a sandbox and the issue remains, do you view it differently on your device?
Also it's set up to line up on full view, not the side bars like you have out.
Regardless, there, tweaked, that's the best I can do unless people want that quote swapped.
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this shit is ******* cursed
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You'd think from how offended you sound I vandalised the page beyond repair when all I did was adjust some render sizes (which really needed resizing) and get rid of the 2D renders which are redundant anyways. Wanting the 2D renders back I can get because yeah the art is good but you're making a really big deal out of nothing. No CRT for some renders that are virtually the same as the ones before? Are you being fr? Genuinely can't tell.
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Vandalization is vandalization.
There was no CRT or perms given, you didn't even ask (like why couldn't you have just mentioned it here? Discussion thread exists for good reason. The two dudes right above you pointed out an iffy and it was acknowledged and fixed properly because they used their words too, so, ya know?).
Not the way you did it clearly. Your resizes were cutting into the summary boxes or left giant gaps. All you did was make it smaller, without actually making sure the sizes aligned with the rest of the profile visually on standard viewing hardware (because again, that shit was set up for standard resolution viewing for outside viewers, it obviously won't work best for every piece of hardware, zoom, and so forth, but it was designed for the most common type for non-users). All that shit was done a very certain way, it wasn't just random values.
If you simply resized them properly who cares, but you didn't resize them properly and you went further and messed with shit you didn't get permission to.
And who decides what's redundant?
"Redundant", by that logic get rid of Venom's page ig that's redundant given all of it will be placed in Big Boss' MG2 prep tab, get rid of the standard body render that isn't even a key anymore that's redundant idk why you 180'd back and put a render for a key that doesn't even exist currently, and hell why stop there, I was going to do keys for every game for Snake, even have the code fixed for them to do it in whole profile tabs now all set up to go, but that's redundant, we can just do MGS4 and 2, ignore the rest ig.
You don't get to decide what's redundant, nobody does, not even me, I had to run shit by like two dozen dudes first.
You either make people agree and the general group /supporters go aight, or you don't, you don't run the page, it's technically nobody's, and it's straight up against the rules to do just do whatever the hell you want, if we could I'd have already added like the 15 things I frugot and need to fix in the follow-follow up CRT.
Do not ever alter any profile on the wiki without either:
1. Asking and running it by the supporters or,
2. Making a CRT for it.
It doesn't matter how small you think it is.
Yes I'm being serious.
We straight up gutted the dude who went and screwed with the JoJo renders.
We also had to make a CRT to change the renders and get it established not to use ASB ones and manga ones instead. Just because it's not stats doesn't mean it isn't relevant.
And there's also the straight up disrespect here, you think those things just spawned?
Newsflash, I had to do them by hand, and for ones that already had renders, I had to redo them in higher resolution.
Honestly, I straight up do not care, ask or make a CRT next time. I know damn well you can do that, you're usually pretty damn chill.
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I didn't ask here because usually I never have to. I've adjusted countless page renders and quotes and never had to deal with this. Which makes sense because it's not like I "vandalise" pages in any sort of trolling way, I just like cleaning up render sections. Ig that's technically against the rules but typically no one cares.
Whenever I was adjusting the renders I just set them back to the same sizes they were back before the CRT and didn't really consider how it would look on other platforms so that's fair enough.
Your examples of what would be "redundant" by my "logic" don't make sense at all. The reason why I got rid of the 2D renders is because they're just unnecessary secondary renders that clutter the profile. The 3D render already covers how Raiden looks, the 2D render is just that again. It's just my personal taste but I don't really like that type of formatting, particularly on Sonic profiles that shit is really ugly. And yeah that's just personal taste so it being set back isn't a problem but I'd still argue that they're pointless imo.
Idk how you go from that to saying that Venom's whole page, including stats and P&A which is something I didn't even touch, should be done away with. Really bizarre comparison. As for the Standard Body render, yeah duh it's not a key but it's still one of his canon looks from the game. Renders aren't only allowed if there's a key attached to it, sometimes a character just has a different look.
Also what are you even talking about with the Snake stuff? I adjusted some renders. I'm not trying to push some sort of agenda on your revisions.
Sorry I didn't know that for a change as small as adjusting some renders I have to go through the whole shadow council of MGS scaling. It's not like I was aware that was the case anyways because whatever decisions you or anybody else made that had to be ran by however many people never happened here on this thread. How was I meant to know?
Clearly you take this page adjustment stuff more seriously than me, which is fair. It's the rules ig. But again, this isn't a sentiment I've had to deal with from anybody else so I didn't even know that was the case.
Idk how annoying/persistent that guy was being but that seems extreme. Also that's the first I've ever heard of a CRT dedicated solely to renders in a long long time. I'm sure you can probably find a million examples from the past couple of years of threads like that but I genuinely never see those anymore.
Dude do you seriously think I meant actual disrespect with the edits? Sorry that you took offence to it ig.
See I kinda do care about this. Not because I'm trying to defend my edits or say that they should get put back. That stuff's fair. Okay that was against the rules, can't argue with that when you get down to the details. I more have a problem with how patronising you're being about this. This whole time you've been addressing me like some random who just hopped on the wiki yesterday and not a guy who's been a knowledgeable member for years. I might have "disrespected" you unintentionally which I'm sorry about but you full intention disrespected me. Especially with all the "logic" shit, basically putting words in my mouth. I thought you were pretty damn chill as well.
Anyways, I'll know better than to even touch MGS profiles now with a 100 foot poll. Thanks.
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And you're not supposed to be doing that?
Like why is saying you've technically broken the rules countless times somehow a good thing?
"it's against the rules but nobody cares". Until someone does. That someone is me, and like 5 other people actually, I didn't even know till someone came to me complaining you did it.
Why are you trying to justify yourself? You literally just admitted it's against the rules, instead of arguing with it just go "shit my b ill follow rules next time" and we'd have been done.
Case in point.
Why are you touching things then without testing it first or making sure it works best for the most common userbase? Why are you even doing it in the actual profile first before testing it in a sandbox?
Yep, those lil extra tabs def clutter.
They're about 30px wide, the tab click itself takes about 1,326px2 of screen space at most. For standard zoom on a 1080p screen, that amounts to 0.06395% of screen clutter at most.
Except in the primary artstyle the series is known for and is arguably more prevalent than a standard 3D model.
And your personal taste decides what exactly? I don't really like the fact intelligence and range comes after equipment, it's annoying, literally screwed with one of the methods we were testing for the profile even to have tabs kind of like the Leon profile and split the keys up that way, but the layered code messed with shit and that plan fell through. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to change the order, my personal taste and wants for standard format don't over ride what's accepted.
Case in point. Numerous people like it, you're the odd one out there, which is probably why they're formatted like that to appease more than just you.
Also looking at Sonic, nah it kind of cool actually I like the lil logos they do, it's eye catching and could even argue the extra colors let people's eyes get drawn to a point of interest quicker instead of standard wiki text which quickens finding a particular link, I know damn well some people have trouble reading or parsing wiki text on fandom because of the colors being similar to the background so things like astigmatism and other such deficits make reading very hard as the colors blur together.
This whole hobby is pointless, me arguing this with you is pointless.
Don't edit profiles without making CRT's first unless it's literally just basic shit like typos.
The instant you start changing things, you're no longer cleaning up, you're altering content.
Because it's redundant? the entire page is basically going to end up in Big Boss' profile, like straight up over 99% of it, why bother with such a redundant profile that will have over 99% be copied into another? Just remove it. Hell didn't we just delete the God Hand for that actually?
Your argument is redundancy. If redundancy is a justification, it extends far further.
And it's redundant no? The body is shown in his optional equipment section with the rest.
A different look, like, idk, a different artstyle?
Your own justification for this, is literally why there was multiple renders, that you considered redundant, so you made the personal choice to remove it, and instead put a render, for something, that is already shown elsewhere in the profile, making it unironically completely redundant?
Yes but if redundancy is the main point of contention, I may as well just not bother with any redundancy at all.
Stop trying to justify this dude?
Literally ask. Every time. For every profile you edit.
The fact you admitted you've been making countless edits and knowing it's against the rules isn't exactly a good thing.
Exactly, you didn't know, fair, but nobody should have to tell you personally?
It ain't mine or anyone else's job to tell you the process that went into anything so you know ahead of time what people did because:
1. you could always ask
2. hell you could've joined, not people here already in there and working alongside me now
3. it's them rules, burden ain't on anyone else, all I gotta do is get it accepted, which happened, just like everyone else has to. What is your job though, is to inform people of any changes you make on a profile. Literally wiki rules.
So you weren't really meant to know, yet you're also not meant to do what it is you've admittedly been doing either, and if you followed proper channels, you'd have learned or been given the go ahead for that to have never mattered anyway.
Yeah no shit I don't spend all that time working on these things for nothing and continuing to work on it, like as we speak, I'm working on Volgin and Mantis, prob post the Mantis calc blog here in a bit, there's upgrades in there, but that has nothing to do with what is and isn't allowed. I could not give a damn and it still wouldn't be allowed.
The hell do you MEAN you didn't know, everyone knows you gotta make a CRT or ask to alter a profile like that ain't a niche rule
Because it has been a long time, like don't get me wrong that CRT was a few years ago, but fact remains we had to do it, and did, in fact, do it. We got M3X to handle that one.
I shouldn't have to find any examples, just don't decide shit on your own, don't alter profiles to your specific taste if you aren't sure that's what's generally agreed upon, and don't just change stuff without informing the verse supporters or making CRTs. Like hell you could do whatever tf you want and I wouldn't be able to say a damn thing if you got it accepted in a CRT.
No I don't think you intended it, but I also don't think you thought it through, which you admittedly already said so...
You are literally trying to defend your edits that's what you've been doing this whole convo.
Dude, you did the iffy, not me, you literally in this exact paragraph, admitted to doing all of it. Everything I said has been true at that point.
Did you ask? Nope.
Did you make a CRT as to not bother? Nope.
Did you screw it up anyway while doing it? Yes.
Did you factor in hardware and other viewing platforms when altering? Nope you admitted it directly and just went with old sizes instead of making sure it was fitted for the new ones.
Did you do it entirely on your personal preference? Yes.
Did you consider what went into it? Nope.
Is your argument redundancy while also doing redundant things? Hypocritical tbh.
Then you double down and go you know it's not allowed but you've been doing it anyway? Well that one is just rule breaking.
That ain't patronizing, it's me saying it exactly as it is and being justifiably like why tf ya doing that.
Yeah see, that's the issue.
You aren't some new clueless dude, you know the rules, you know how the wiki does things, you pointing that out doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.
I shouldn't have to explain why some dude who joined last week making random edits is like whatever, they prob didn't know they're new, but you going "yeah ik we shouldnt but i do it anyway" is very much far worse. Not sure why you think that helps but shrug. Also full intention? Pretty presumptuous, if you feel disrespected, that wasn't my actual intention, though at the same time unless anything I've said isn't literally true, there's a difference between saying it how it is, and it actually being disrespectful.
And me telling you to follow the rules, follow the channels, don't just decide on your own, isn't disrespect, it's me straight up telling you not to do that full stop, no middle-ground there.
And "your logic", yes, the justification you gave is personal taste and you feel it redundant, you explained in this post alone because "you can see it anyway". If redundancy is a means to simply not bother or delete things, there is plenty we should just not do as a whole due to extreme overlap elsewhere, or the fact you can see the same idea somewhere else.
This is exacerbated when you also added a redundant render anyway for a key that doesn't exist, because "that's a way he can look", when that very thing is shown elsewhere on the profile anyway so your whole justification doesn't even make sense, it just comes off as incoherent and entirely just something you wanted to do.
You should know better to touch any profile? Why are you, in your own words, "adjusted countless page renders and quotes" without asking anyone? Like there's a difference between adding categories, fixing typos or coding fuckys, and then just tweaking the profile or altering things, stats or not.
Regardless, yeah, don't touch shit without asking, for any verse. You wanna do that? Make a CRT like everyone else or make sure it's universally agreed upon. I'm not continuing this, just ask or make a CRT next time like it ain't difficult, that goes for the other things you've been editing as well.
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My whole problem is that I literally would've gone "shit my b" if you weren't addressing me like a dick. Because this:
This shit is patronising. This shit makes me not want to say sorry to you. This is the shit you said to me before I even said anything back to you. You're right, I messed up with the renders, and I wasn't trying to justify the edits in a way that makes it so I did no wrong. Or at least I didn't mean to come off that way. I've been doing that for a while and it's against the rules so yeah, that's my b and I'll follow the rules next time. I'm admitting that. But calling me out and threatening me with a ban like this when you could have personally messaged me and went about this a different way is what's pissing me off.
I'm not gonna argue with what you say here because it's all pretty valid and I don't want to continue this any further myself either because it's exhausting. And if anything I prefer your tone here more than before. But still, I don't care how true what you're saying is, you don't decide how I interpret what you throw at me. I've apologised for how I disrespected you. It was unintentional but I still apologised. That's all.
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Yeah Chariot those were some ass-hole choice of words, you went way too off the rails for something that can be undone with a single click and then go "Hey don't do that without consulting us please, worked hard on that". I get being annoyed at your own handiwork being touched without any involvement from you, but this was too far for something so simple.
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I'm also of the opinion of being consulted before anything is done with images on my profiles is good...
But holy shit Chariot, take a chill pill blowing up like that over a 20 second max revert is just not okay
But holy shit Chariot, take a chill pill blowing up like that over a 20 second max revert is just not okay
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Raiden vs Mori Dan
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Raiden_(Metal_Gear) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mori_Dan Speed equalized Mori Dan at large town level
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For the first time I finally started the Metal Gear series and I finished Metal Gear, and at the end of the game we see a nuclear explosion after the destruction of Outer Heaven and the radio after that says that an "large" earthquake was felt,
Was this calculated? Perhaps it's above Town level? As far as I know, Outer Heaven only had one Metal Gear at that point, and only the Metal Gear's nuclear warheads could have caused that explosion.
(So far I've only played MG1 and read the Master Book and Screenplay Book for that game)
Was this calculated? Perhaps it's above Town level? As far as I know, Outer Heaven only had one Metal Gear at that point, and only the Metal Gear's nuclear warheads could have caused that explosion.
(So far I've only played MG1 and read the Master Book and Screenplay Book for that game)
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Outer Heaven had a fuckton of nukes. Database helps elaborate more, plus like fifty other games given they keep going back to it. But there's a LOT going into the sequence that's scattered around, like a chunk of OH was destroyed by NATO raid bombings for example, the large earthquake isn't even technically real, it's just the aftershocks of the bombing raid, the news just reported it as a quake, etc.
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Solid Snake vs Raiden... with a twist!
Except it's battlebots! Le Rules Raiden will be using Tombstone and will be given recordings of all previous Tombstone Fights to watch. Snake will be using Vertical Disk Spinner Bite Force and will be given recordings of all previous Bite Force Fights to watch. They will be in normal positions...
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Raiden (MGS2) vs Spider-Man (60's Cartoon) [0-0-0]
Spider-Man: Spidey is in Character. He has access to all of its equipment. Raiden: Raiden is in Character. MGS2 Raiden. He has access to all of their equipment except for the special equipment. Equal Speed. SBA from the rest.
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Operation: Witcher Hunt | Metal Gear VS The Witcher.
Raiden: Raiden is in character. He has access to all of its equipment. MGS2 Key. Geralt of Rivia: Geralt is in character. He has access to all of its equipment. Blood and Wine DLC Key. He has prior knowledge of the HF Blade Unequal Speed. They start separated by 15 meters with direct line...
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Is the Massively FTL only for Raiden or does it also apply to Sam and Armstrong?
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Armstrong and Base Sam would be FTL+. Sam does have Blade mode though (and Quick Draw is > Blade Mode) so he'd get MFTL with that.
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