Mephisto vs Moroha (Greatest Demon Lord vs World Break) (0-0-1)

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Mephisto Yuu Phegor vs Haimura Moroha

• Starting distance is 25 meters
• Fighting location is a grass field (somewhere)
• Speed is unequal
• 6-C versions (Mephisto scales to 4.9 Gigatons of TNT; Moroha scales to 63.11 Gigatons of TNT)
• Both are in-character

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Votes
Mephisto Yuu Phegor:

Haimura Moroha:

Inconclusive: @Godsatoshi23

 

[DaReaperMan]

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[Godsatoshi23]

After reviewing both profiles (I am only familiar with Moroha, so I’m not sure if I missed something from Mephisto’s profile), it seems inconclusive at best.

Moroha

• Has infinite speed with CM2.
• Can naturally adapt to situations as the fight progresses.
• Possesses abilities like Absolute Zero and sleep manipulation, which Mephisto doesn’t seem to resist (unless Mephisto’s power nullification can counter them or she uses teleportation to evade and some of Moroha spells require to much time to cast).

Mephisto

• According to the profile, he nullified Ard’s original magic, which is CM2 and Info1 level.
• Has teleportation to dodge or react to attacks and instantly close the distance with opponents (though I’m unsure of its scale or how it’s demonstrated in the novel).
• Uses body puppetry and defeated Sylphy, a skilled swordswoman, by manipulating both her body and mind (though if the body puppetry is tied to mind manipulation, it might just be a byproduct of controlling the body; if that’s the case, Moroha should be able to resist it).
• Possesses Type 8 immortality, which Moroha cannot negate.

AP:

• This depends on whether the attacks land. Moroha’s attack potency seems several times higher. One of his attacks could cause significant harm to Mephisto (though Mephisto has Type 2 immortality to keep fighting in poor conditions). On the other hand, Mephisto seems more defensive. From his profile, he doesn’t appear to have hax that can directly kill someone. This makes it a matter of who can permanently kill the other, which neither seems capable of doing—unless I missed something in their profiles.

Speed:

• Since speed is stated as unequal, Moroha outpaces Mephisto in this regard. He also has infinite attack speed (though I wonder if Mephisto could teleport before the attack is initiated).

Given this, I would lean toward an inconclusive outcome for now. However, I agree that Moroha seems to have more potential to win, it is just a matter of not killing him permanently, because of type 8 immortality.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Actually I missed Mephisto soul hax. He seems to abel to kill Ard, who has infinite number of souls. As of yet Moroha don't have resistance to soul destruction.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

After reviewing both profiles (I am only familiar with Moroha, so I’m not sure if I missed something from Mephisto’s profile), it seems inconclusive at best.

Moroha

• Has infinite speed with CM2.
• Can naturally adapt to situations as the fight progresses.
• Possesses abilities like Absolute Zero and sleep manipulation, which Mephisto doesn’t seem to resist (unless Mephisto’s power nullification can counter them or she uses teleportation to evade and some of Moroha spells require to much time to cast).

Should also add that Moroha has Absolute Zero so it's entirely possible to incapacitate Mephisto with it.

Mephisto

• According to the profile, he nullified Ard’s original magic, which is CM2 and Info1 level.
• Has teleportation to dodge or react to attacks and instantly close the distance with opponents (though I’m unsure of its scale or how it’s demonstrated in the novel).
• Uses body puppetry and defeated Sylphy, a skilled swordswoman, by manipulating both her body and mind (though if the body puppetry is tied to mind manipulation, it might just be a byproduct of controlling the body; if that’s the case, Moroha should be able to resist it).
• Possesses Type 8 immortality, which Moroha cannot negate.

While Moroha can't negate Type 8, he could probably incapacitate Mephisto with AZ once Moroha realizes he can't die. Though I wonder how long does Type 8 immortality take to activate. Is it days, weeks or how long before he comes back?

Given this, I would lean toward an inconclusive outcome for now. However, I agree that Moroha seems to have more potential to win, it is just a matter of not killing him permanently, because of type 8 immortality.

I'll put you in for incon for now if that's fine.

Actually I missed Mephisto soul hax. He seems to abel to kill Ard, who has infinite number of souls. As of yet Moroha don't have resistance to soul destruction.

He does:

*Soul Manipulation (Saviors are people with indomitable souls that literally resist eons of grinding from the sands of time.[1] Since Moroha has reincarnated two times, it means his soul is at least 100,000,000 million years old[23])

Basically, the sands of time literally destroy souls in the verse, with most humans having their destroyed within a few years IIRC, and even saviors who have indomitable souls, can only reincarnate once after a millennium or so, while Moroha's soul is 100,000,000 years old. So he should be fine for a while.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Should also add that Moroha has Absolute Zero so it's entirely possible to incapacitate Mephisto with it.

I already listed it. Just it takes a lot of time to cast and Mephisto can nullify at conceptual type 2 level it seems.

Though I wonder how long does Type 8 immortality take to activate. Is it days, weeks or how long before he comes back?

I wondered about it too. Only knowledgeable members can answer that, I guess.

Basically, the sands of time literally destroy souls in the verse, with most humans having their destroyed within a few years IIRC, and even saviors who have indomitable souls, can only reincarnate once after a millennium or so, while Moroha's soul is 100,000,000 years old. So he should be fine for a while.

Well infinite is higher then Moroha's. I am not sure even how Mephisto soul hax works. Is there a specific distance for it to work or physical contact is necessary? Judging from the scans, he was in contact with Ard. If that's the case, soul hax may not work on Moroha.

That's why I said Moroha's has more chance of winning. Mephisto profile doesn't clarify somethings and just vague to consider.

Well for now Inconclusive. If there some knowledgeable member of Mephisto can clarify somethings, like immortality type 8 duration and soul destruction, I can vote more properly after that.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

I already listed it. Just it takes a lot of time to cast and Mephisto can nullify at conceptual type 2 level it seems.

Yeah, though that would be for magic, no? I doubt he can negate Prana, which is what Moroha's CM2 is based on, rather than Magic.

Well infinite is higher then Moroha's. I am not sure even how Mephisto soul hax works. Is there a specific distance for it work or physical contact is necessary? Judging from the scans, he was in contact with Ard. If that's the case, soul hax may not work on Moroha.

Well, it says "almost infinite" and not infinite, so honestly I rather take numbers (100,000,000 years of soul destruction) over "almost infinite", not to mention, reading the scan, it seems enough range could destroy Ard's souls, rather than potency. So, the question then becomes if Mephisto has the potency to damage Moroha's soul.

That's why I said Moroha's has more chance of winning. Mephisto profile doesn't clarify somethings and just vague to consider.

I see.

Well for now Inconclusive. If there some knowledgeable member of Mephisto can clarify somethings, like immortality type 8 duration and soul destruction, I can vote more properly after that.

Alrighty.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Though I will say, for now I am leaning towards an inconclusive. I'll wait for other supporters.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Yeah, though that would be for magic, no? I doubt he can negate Prana, which is what Moroha's CM2 is based on, rather than Magic.

Don't know how we treat magic properties here, if we consider it differently, I guess Mephisto won't be able to resist it.

Well, it says "almost infinite" and not infinite, so honestly I rather take numbers (100,000,000 years of soul destruction) over "almost infinite", not to mention, reading the scan, it seems enough range could destroy Ard's souls, rather than potency. So, the question then becomes if Mephisto has the potency to damage Moroha's soul.

Not sure, since each soul would have lived/endured near infinite, if we multiply them. And yet Mephisto can kill the souls.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Don't know how we treat magic properties here, if we consider it differently, I guess Mephisto won't be able to resist it.

Maybe. (Though, he doesn't actually have resistance to CM2, just that he can negate them. But it would maybe also depend on how he does it, touch based, thought based, or some action is needed?)

Not sure, since each soul would have lived/endured near infinite, if we multiply them. And yet Mephisto can kill the souls.

Long lived souls =/= resisting eons of grinding against sands of time.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Maybe. (Though, he doesn't actually have resistance to CM2, just that he can negate them. But it would maybe also depend on how he does it, touch based, thought based, or some action is needed?)

I think it's thought based by seeing the previous threads.

Long lived souls =/= resisting eons of grinding against sands of time.

Yeah, Ard seems not to have endured rather developed techniques counter to Astral body harm.