MCU Tier 8 upgrades

[Emirp sumitpo]

Iron Man's Mark 4 now has a High 8-C calc, this should also scale to his Mark 2 and 3 as Mark 2 could physically contend with Mark 4. All characters who scale to Iron Man's third key will be upgraded to High 8-C.

We also have a new Multi-Block level calc for Iron Man and War Machine individually. And in case anyone thinks this is exclusive for the repulsors only, this should scale to Iron Man's physicals as iron Man's Repulsors have shown to be comparable to those around his level, and he can even outright tank his own blasts. Iron Man's armor can also survive the recoil of his repulsors.

The list of people fully scaling to 8-A would be:

• Iron Man Mark 6 to 45 (Might as well merge his Mark 43 and Mark 45 keys)
• All War Machine armors pre IW (Might as well merge his first and second key as there's no point in keeping them seperated)
• Ivan Vanko Mark 2
• Killian
• Electro
• Civil War Giant Man
• Pepper Potts (Stomped Killian and destroyed an Iron Man armor easily)
• Leviathan (Too strong for Mark 7 to fight directly)
• War Machine's ex Wife (One Shot and incapacitated War Machine)

I'm unsure about Loki level characters tbh, even though Loki survived blasts from the repulsors, we don't have much saying Loki is on par with Iron Man. I guess At most 8-A would do?

 

[Dalesean027]

AGREED as it was already discussed in the discussion thread

 

[LordTracer]

We also have a new Multi-Block level+ calc for Iron Man and War Machine individually.

Could you link the calc tho

 

[Coolboy6]

You forgot to link the 8-A calc. Anyways I think the 8-As should scale to half the explosion yield since it was caused by 2 Iron Man armors and Whiplash was completely cucked by the full explosion.

 

[Propellus]

What about Pre Vibranium Ultron who kept up with Mark 43 Iron Man?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Would the Mark 45 key be merged back with the Mark 6-43 key if this feat is used?

Oh, and Giant-Man (Civil War) should scale also.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

This is the 8-A calc
Anyways i agree with High 8-C upgrades, neutral about the 8-A+ stuff but agree with the character who would scale and agree with Low 7-C upscaling if the 8-A+ is aighty

 

[Coolboy6]

What about Pre Vibranium Ultron who kept up with Mark 43 Iron Man?

Ultron was pretty much not doing much damage to Iron man while Iron man was damaging Ultron a lot in that fight so no.

 

[Coolboy6]

You forgot to link the 8-A calc. Anyways I think the 8-As should scale to half the explosion yield since it was caused by 2 Iron Man armors and Whiplash was completely cucked by the full explosion.

I wasn’t aware the calc was updated to low 7-C and the half result being 8-A. My bad

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Could you link the calc tho

Oof I forgot. Done

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Would the Mark 45 key be merged back with the Mark 6-43 key if this feat is used?

Oh, and Giant-Man (Civil War) should scale also.

Yes. I'll add that too

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Anyway, thoughts on the Loki scaling? Does anyone agree to At most 8-A for Loki level characters?

 

[Coolboy6]

Anyway, thoughts on the Loki scaling? Does anyone agree to At most 8-A for Loki level characters?

I can agree to that.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Loli level characters?

unfortunate mistake
not sure about the loki scaling, Iron Man knocked him down pretty easily with repulsors

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

unfortunate mistake

Oof

 

[LordTracer]

Iron Man Mark 6 to 45 (Might as well merge his Mark 43 and Mark 45 keys)

Couldn’t you arguably upscale the Marks 7-45 to Low 7-C since they’re > the Mark 6 that has the 8-A+ feat?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Couldn’t you arguably upscale the Marks 7-45 to Low 7-C since they’re > the Mark 6 that has the 8-A+ feat?

Eh, I'm not sure whether they're demonstrably superior enough for an upscale?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Eh, I'm not sure whether they're demonstrably superior enough for an upscale?

For what it's worth, the Mark 8 is stated in the JARVIS: A Second Screen Experience app to be more powerful than the Mark 7, though no specifics on the extent seem to be given beyond that, so I'm not sure if a full upscale to Low 7-C is warranted. Maybe an "At least 8-A+" for Mark 8-45?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

For what it's worth, the Mark 8 is stated in the JARVIS: A Second Screen Experience app to be more powerful than the Mark 7, though no specifics on the extent seem to be given beyond that, so I'm not sure if a full upscale to Low 7-C is warranted. Maybe an "At least 8-A+" for Mark 8-45?

I don't feel like it's enough to warrant an entirely new key either

 

[Dinobot1996]

I don't feel like it's enough to warrant an entirely new key either

Then I guess sticking with the single 8-A+ key for 6-45 would be the best option, as I have not found any other relevant statements mentioning power increases in those suits.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Agreed

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Mark 42's unibeam could one shot this extremis guy, who held his own against Mark 42, and generally Iron Man's unibeam attack is shown to be higher than his normal ones, so I suppose that could upscale to Low 7-C?

"8-A, Low 7-C with Unibeam, 7-B with lasers"

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Wasn't there also scenes of the Iron Legion One-Shotting Extremis soldiers with Repulsors? I think the scene where they were after Rhodey.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Wasn't there also scenes of the Iron Legion One-Shotting Extremis soldiers with Repulsors? I think the scene where they were after Rhodey.

I don't think all of the Extremis soldiers are as strong as one another. Pepper Potts being able to stomp killian is a good case

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I don't think all of the Extremis soldiers are as strong as one another. Pepper Potts being able to stomp killian is a good case

What's the value for more or less vaping a human?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What's the value for more or less vaping a human?

I think 8-C. Why you ask?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I think 8-C. Why you ask?

Just a supporting feat for the Iron Legion pre Age of Ultron

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

When did they vaporise people...

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

When did they vaporise people...

At 2:28

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

At 2:28

Time stamp? All I see is them blasting people, not vaporising them whole.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Time stamp? All I see is them blasting people, not vaporising them whole.

At 2:28

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

They didn't get vaporised at all.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

They didn't get vaporised at all.

Yeah just rewatched the scene, was just to dark to see

 

[Coolboy6]

unfortunate mistake
not sure about the loki scaling, Iron Man knocked him down pretty easily with repulsors

He still withstood the repulsors and survived.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The repulsor blasts put out by Tony and Rhodey are charged for quite a bit which seems to imply using like all of the suit's power or at least a big portion and then fired and clashed for quite a few seconds before exploding. I don't think it's the same as their normal repulsor blasts, especially considering how much damage they took from tanking High 8-C energy from the explosion.

Probably still an upgrade but at the very least divide it by the time to get like the energy output in a second

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

especially considering how much damage they took from tanking High 8-C energy from the explosion.

they were already severely damaged by Whiplash before the shockwave hit them, and Tony flew to save Pepper minutes later so they probably didn't take that much damage from it
also i'll divide the repulsor feat again

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah well then at least divide by the timeframe although at worst the feat becomes 8-A anyway

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I divided by the timeframe they took to charge up their repulsors

 

[Lacku]

I agree! Also if this gets accepted and we get around to editing Tony's profile could we get rid of the mark 8 render (the armor is never used in Iron Man 3 so I don't know why it has a render on the profile) and add a render for the mark 47 used in homecoming? (example render below)

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Could we also add a render for the mark 2?