MCU Thor's Stormbreaker Power

[ARCH0207]

I recently saw a thread that said that the axe should scale to 100% of the power of the infinity gauntlet, which to me is absurd since Thanos did not use the full power of the 6 infinity stones since 100% would be 2-A, which is absurd considering that Thanos did not use the full power of the 6 infinity stones, so I decided to take on the task of solving this and after doing several investigations, I came to the conclusion that the Stormbreajer is Low 2-C and I already made a thread about how I came to that conclusion.
MCU - Thor uses Stormbreaker to harness lightning from the 6 Infinity Stones

 

[KLOL506]

I personally do not think this works due to the whole "AP of the stones depends on the size of the target" but I'll see what the others have to say.

@Qawsedf234 @LordTracer @Emirp sumitpo

 

[Qawsedf234]

personally do not think this works due to the whole "AP of the stones depends on the size of the target" but I'll see what the others have to say.

The main reason why don't scale, other than issues in late movies with durability, is that WoG stated that Thanos would counter Stormbreaker with the IG of he wasn't taken by surprise. He overpowered a random energy beam, but that doesn’t make the axe Tier 2.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

The main reason why don't scale, other than issues in late movies with durability, is that WoG stated that Thanos would counter Stormbreaker with the IG of he wasn't taken by surprise. He overpowered a random energy beam, but that doesn’t make the axe Tier 2.

I don't think that statment should be used as The Russo Brother themself stated that Thor's Stormbreaker was powerful enough to overpower the Infinity Guantlet and describes it as "powerful" said in official audio commentary for Avengers: Infinity War. Not to mention they also stated that all the power from the stones was flowing through thanos body which would scale thanos durability to the stones energy and thor was able to hurt him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

flowing through thanos body which would scale thanos durability to the stones energy and thor was able to hurt him.

The energy from the stones =/= the output of the stones. It's why Thanos or any IG user doesnt need to be Tier 3/2/1 to use it. They just have to be durable enough to withstand the energy charge back.

The Axe being Low 2-C or higher just doesn’t fit with the current scaling chains in my view. Assuming every action the IG does is at max power is also just an ultimately flawed assumption when we see contradictions tk that notion multiple times.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

The energy from the stones =/= the output of the stones. It's why Thanos or any IG user doesnt need to be Tier 3/2/1 to use it. They just have to be durable enough to withstand the energy charge back.

The Axe being Low 2-C or higher just doesn’t fit with the current scaling chains in my view. Assuming every action the IG does is at max power is also just an ultimately flawed assumption when we see contradictions tk that notion multiple times.

I mean this was thor at his fullest form so can't it be like Scarlet Witch and be marked "at peak" as they said he was greatly pushed for revenge?

 

[Qawsedf234]

mean this was thor at his fullest form

Thor gets stronger by L&T and fights Gorr. He was stronger than he was previously, but he's not at his peak.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Thor gets stronger by L&T and fights Gorr. He was stronger than he was previously, but he's not at his peak.

There are statments said Thor was both weaker and stronger in Endgame so can't we add that he is "up to" low 2-c and then keep the scaling in love and thunder.

I also wanted to note that in the same audio The Russo Brother states that the energy requerd to wipe out half of the population of the universe which if i remeber correctly was accepted as infinite wouldn't that requere a infinite amount of energy and then thor being able to damage him scale thor to thanos durability?

 

[Qawsedf234]

There are statments said Thor was both weaker and stronger in Endgame so can't we add that he is "up to" low 2-c and then keep the scaling in love and thunder.

I disagree with the scaling.

I also wanted to note that in the same audio The Russo Brother states that the energy requerd to wipe out half of the population of the universe which if i remeber correctly was accepted as infinite wouldn't that requere a infinite amount of energy and then thor being able to damage him scale thor to thanos durability?

The population of the universe was only mentioned as trillions. The universe being spatially infinite =/= an infinite amount of living beings.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

The population of the universe was only mentioned as trillions. The universe being spatially infinite =/= an infinite amount of living beings.

So the matter is finite. Is being able to wipe out trillions not atleast higher than moon level?

I disagree with the scaling.

What do you disagree about?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is being able to wipe out trillions not atleast higher than moon level?

Last time we calced it, it was not. It's only like Tier 9 or 8 to turn a human to dust and even multiplied by trillions you don't come close.

What do you disagree about?

The reasons I listed before.

 

[ARCH0207]

I disagree with the scaling.

The population of the universe was only mentioned as trillions. The universe being spatially infinite =/= an infinite amount of living beings.

infinity guantlet
Bro, if your excuse is "that Thanos didn't use 100% of the power of the Infinity Stones", I agree with you, but what do you think? The stones at 100% are Low 1-C, so Low 2-C is the lowest you can get in the feat so I see no reason to disagree, also the peak would be fine. Also, it's like The Sentry, just because they say he has the power to destroy several suns and that he is stronger than all the Avengers together, just because Valentina says that, does not mean it is true, since she manipulates the information since she manipulated Yelena that after one last job she would have a good life when she wanted to kill her, together with the rest and just because Marvel also said it, also in 2019 they said that with Captain Marvel, even Kevin Feige himself confirmed her as the most powerful heroine

 

[ARCH0207]

And they don't say anything, so no, you're wrong.
Also, you don't present information or evidence like I do, so no, you don't want to accept.

 

[ARCH0207]

Last time we calced it, it was not. It's only like Tier 9 or 8 to turn a human to dust and even multiplied by trillions you don't come close.

The reasons I listed before.

And if they said the Sentinel was so powerful, it was a publicity stunt. If you name a superhero as the most powerful, obviously, people will pay attention to it and see the movie, which will make more money.
And they also did that with Captain Marvel, and it was very successful, raking in billions because of it.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Last time we calced it, it was not. It's only like Tier 9 or 8 to turn a human to dust and even multiplied by trillions you don't come close.

Humans maybe yes but didn't it also affect other beings far more durable than humans? Frost giants,Eternals or maybe even gods.

The reasons I listed before.

I don't see how that affects large amount of chain scaling when Stormbreakers only opponent before love and thunder was Thanos himself

 

[Qawsedf234]

Bro, if your excuse is "that Thanos didn't use 100% of the power of the Infinity Stones", I agree with you, but what do you think?

I think he just threw out a random beam after he was hit by Stormbreaker. Said beam wasn't notably powerful, since young Thanos never used it either and always went for a snap or a different move with the Gauntlet.

the lowest you can get in the feat

Considering Thanos' feat wasn't even Tier 2 with the stones, you can go much lower. Even his Endgame feat is at best High 3-A, which is infinitely worse than Tier 2.

o I see no reason to disagree

I do, so I disagree. Considering MCU threads usually get to this point and then flounder with neither side budging, just list me as disagreeing. I gave my reasons and nothing you're saying counters them in my mind.

just because Valentina says that, does not mean it is true,

Your example is bad because Valentina is a in-universe statement vs the Thanos thing being from Word of God. Additionally Valentina's statement is backed by WoG so that example on its own just doesn't work.

Humans maybe yes but didn't it also affect other beings far more durable than humans? Frost giants,Eternals or maybe even gods.

Even if every single being were the mass of a Blue Whale, turning them into dust still wouldn't be 5-C

I don't see how that affects large amount of chain scaling when Stormbreakers only opponent before love and thunder was Thanos himself

Thanos' helicopter blade can divert the axe end to my memory and Gorr just took a blow from it before.

Like I said though we're in the "neither side agrees with each other" phase of the MCU crt cycle. So just list me as disagreeing for the reasons mentioned and get other mods to weigh in.

 

[ARCH0207]

Last time we calced it, it was not. It's only like Tier 9 or 8 to turn a human to dust and even multiplied by trillions you don't come close.

The reasons I listed before.

I present evidence with official sources, also Thor should be "Low 2-C at peak with Stormbreaker" also we do not scale it to 100% of the power of the gauntlet and you bro do not present anything, just because "I do not agree" does not mean that it is wrong if you do not present evidence, so you have nothing to support you and I do have so you are wrong

 

[ARCH0207]

I think he just threw out a random beam after he was hit by Stormbreaker. Said beam wasn't notably powerful, since young Thanos never used it either and always went for a snap or a different move with the Gauntlet.

Do you have any evidence to support this?
A scan or something, you have nothing to back you up so no, you don't have anything to back you up, just the "I think" so you have nothing to invalidate this.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Even if every single being were the mass of a Blue Whale, turning them into dust still wouldn't be 5-C

And what about celestials?

Thanos' helicopter blade can divert the axe end to my memory and Gorr just took a blow from it before.

Like I said though we're in the "neither side agrees with each other" phase of the MCU crt cycle. So just list me as disagreeing for the reasons mentioned and get other mods to weigh in.

Alright then but to be fair i see no reason to why Gorr can't scale to it aswell.

 

[ARCH0207]

And I do present evidence, even scans, so no, what you said is not valid since you don't show any proof, just "I think."

 

[ARCH0207]

And what about celestials?


Alright then but to be fair i see no reason to why Gorr can't scale to it aswell.

You who do know, amigo

 

[ARCH0207]

And what about celestials?


Alright then but to be fair i see no reason to why Gorr can't scale to it aswell.

If Wanda was left with High 3-A just to destroy the Darkhols when in reality she didn't do it but did the same thing as Thanos "destroyed the Darkhol to destroy the Darkhols", she never did that herself

 

[Qawsedf234]

Do you have any evidence to support this?

The director interview about the scene

Is Stormbreaker more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet? Thanos didn’t know what was coming his way and if he did he would have been able to use the stones to better react to Stormbreaker.

Also like I said, if the beam was Tier 2 and Thanos could accomplish it by just thrusting his hand, the entire plot of Endgame becomes nonsensical.

And what about celestials?

Celestials, as in the super giant ones, would get you past Tier 5 if you're talking about the galactic-sized ones. The ones in Love and Thunder still wouldn't make them 5-C afaik.

just the "I think" so you have nothing to invalidate this.

I already gave my reasons for what I don't think your scaling is valid.

 

[ARCH0207]

I think he just threw out a random beam after he was hit by Stormbreaker. Said beam wasn't notably powerful, since young Thanos never used it either and always went for a snap or a different move with the Gauntlet.

Considering Thanos' feat wasn't even Tier 2 with the stones, you can go much lower. Even his Endgame feat is at best High 3-A, which is infinitely worse than Tier 2.

I do, so I disagree. Considering MCU threads usually get to this point and then flounder with neither side budging, just list me as disagreeing. I gave my reasons and nothing you're saying counters them in my mind.

Your example is bad because Valentina is a in-universe statement vs the Thanos thing being from Word of God. Additionally Valentina's statement is backed by WoG so that example on its own just doesn't work.

Even if every single being were the mass of a Blue Whale, turning them into dust still wouldn't be 5-C

Thanos' helicopter blade can divert the axe end to my memory and Gorr just took a blow from it before.

Like I said though we're in the "neither side agrees with each other" phase of the MCU crt cycle. So just list me as disagreeing for the reasons mentioned and get other mods to weigh in.

Note: Wanda cannot be scaled to High 3-A, since she used a hax rather than her own raw magic power to destroy every Darkhold in the Multiverse.
They still gave Wanda High 3-A so no, you're not wrong.

 

[Qawsedf234]

They still gave Wanda High 3-A so no, you're not wrong.

Wanda is High 3-A because she destroyed an infinite amount of matter on screen. Thor overpowered a panic energy blast from the gauntlet that Thanos would be able to counter if he were fully prepared. They're two different things.

 

[FinePoint]

I think it's pretty clear that random beam wasn't actually the "full power" of the Infinity Gauntlet.

 

[ARCH0207]

The director interview about the scene

Also like I said, if the beam was Tier 2 and Thanos could accomplish it by just thrusting his hand, the entire plot of Endgame becomes nonsensical.

Celestials, as in the super giant ones, would get you past Tier 5 if you're talking about the galactic-sized ones. The ones in Love and Thunder still wouldn't make them 5-C afaik.

I already gave my reasons for what I don't think your scaling is valid.

He also answers that the axe is not more powerful than the gauntlet at 100% of its power, but it still has nothing to do with it since he says that the axe is inferior to the gauntlet but does not say anything about the lightning, that is not groundless, also the Low 2-C is the lowest that can be achieved with this feat, so you did not prove anything, you only prove me right that the gauntlet is more powerful than the axe but nothing about the lightning.

 

[ARCH0207]

I think it's pretty clear that random beam wasn't actually the "full power" of the Infinity Gauntlet.

Bro, that's what my blog says, that 100% of its power wasn't used, understand?

 

[KLOL506]

@AbaddonTheDisappointment @UchihaSlayer96 @Dalesean027 @KingTempest @Theglassman12 @Firestorm808 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Maverick_Zero_X @Colonel_Krukov @Planck69 Your input would be appreciated here.

 

[Qawsedf234]

also the Low 2-C is the lowest that can be achieved with this feat

No it's not, because the snap isn't isn't Low 2-C. You're thinking that it can't be lower than Low 2-C when we have multiple examples of it being demonstrably lower than Low 2-C.

 

[ARCH0207]

Wanda is High 3-A because she destroyed an infinite amount of matter on screen. Thor overpowered a panic energy blast from the gauntlet that Thanos would be able to counter if he were fully prepared. They're two different things.

If Wanda was left with High 3-A just to destroy the Darkhols when in reality she didn't do it but did the same thing as Thanos "destroyed the Darkhol to destroy the Darkhols", she never did that herself

 

[Qawsedf234]

just to destroy the Darkhols when in reality she didn't do it

She did do it. They word-for-word say on screen that she destroyed the Darkhold in all realities. That's why she has High 3-A.

did the same thing as Thanos

Thanos' feat in the highest possible end is High 3-A with the Endgame snap. Your logic just doesn't work as Low 2-C isn't the minimum of the gauntlet.

 

[ARCH0207]

No it's not, because the snap isn't isn't Low 2-C. You're thinking that it can't be lower than Low 2-C when we have multiple examples of it being demonstrably lower than Low 2-C.

Bro, the gems can affect Dormammu who is 2-B, and I showed that in my blog

 

[ARCH0207]

She did do it. They word-for-word say on screen that she destroyed the Darkhold in all realities. That's why she has High 3-A.

Thanos' feat in the highest possible end is High 3-A with the Endgame snap. Your logic just doesn't work as Low 2-C isn't the minimum of the gauntlet.

If Wanda was left with High 3-A just to destroy the Darkhols when in reality she didn't do it but did the same thing as Thanos "destroyed the Darkhol to destroy the Darkhols", she never did that herself

 

[Qawsedf234]

Bro, the gems can affect Dormammu who is 2-B, and I showed that in my blog

The Time Gem and Dormammu absorbing the universe brought the concept of Time into the Dark Dimension. That concept is what he never experienced before and freaked him out. Its not an AP feat.

just to destroy the Darkhols when in reality she didn't do it but did the same thing as Thanos "destroyed the Darkhol to destroy the Darkhols", she never did that herself

I'm just going to let the mods decide at this point and just stop responding. We're not getting anywhere.

 

[ARCH0207]

The Time Gem and Dormammu absorbing the universe brought the concept of Time into the Dark Dimension. That concept is what he never experienced before and freaked him out. Its not an AP feat.

I'm just going to let the mods decide at this point and just stop responding. We're not getting anywhere.

Brother, if the gems affect Dormammu and he is 2-B that shows that the gems surpass level 2-B with that

 

[Dalesean027]

Brother, if the gems affect Dormammu and he is 2-B that shows that the gems surpass level 2-B with that

dawg he did not harm dormamu with the stones, he used time hax to make a recurring loop. That's not AP applicable.

Disagree here

 

[ARCH0207]

dawg he did not harm dormamu with the stones, he used time hax to make a recurring loop. That's not AP applicable.

Disagree here

That, I mean that the 6 gems together do affect it, not one of course.

 

[ARCH0207]

dawg he did not harm dormamu with the stones, he used time hax to make a recurring loop. That's not AP applicable.

Disagree here

Bro, I recommend you check out my blog to see how I got to that result.
power of stormbreajer

 

[Dalesean027]

One thing you're failing to understand is that stormbreaker is specifically made to nullify and counter the guantlets power, due to that no matter what the gauntlets scaling is, stormbreaker won't scale to it. Also Thanos isn't attacking anything with the full potency of the gauntlet