[MCU] Scarlet Witch scale rewording

[FentyBeauty]

That doesn't make sense in some cases, such as her using energy from another dimension and not the darkhold directly, and the destruction comes from her dark magic or energy from other dimension, so the darkhold only serves to extend the range of her power

what if she drew power from those other darkholda

well anyways i’m fine with either way, depending on what others think, we could keep the ‘at peak’ in her profile since we know that sinister atrange got the dark magic of the darkhold, but doesn’t have the darkhold itsslf indexed in his ap and his magic just scales to 7-A, or we could have wanda having High 3-A with the Darkhold for turning the dark magic upon itself

i’ll wait for other opinions

 

[Ptumri9]

what if she drew power from those other darkholda

well anyways i’m fine with either way, depending on what others think, we could keep the ‘at peak’ in her profile since we know that sinister atrange got the dark magic of the darkhold, but doesn’t have the darkhold itsslf indexed in his ap and his magic just scales to 7-A, or we could have wanda having High 3-A with the Darkhold for turning the dark magic upon itself

i’ll wait for other opinions

For this to be approved you need the approval of staff members right? If so, how many?

 

[FentyBeauty]

For this to be approved you need the approval of staff members right? If so, how many?

at least two staff approvals are fine i’m pretty sure

tho if u’re intending to reword the ‘at peak’ to ‘with the Darkhold’ instead of going on to downgrade wanda, then u might have to edit the CRT and add all the stuff we’ve been discussing

 

[Ptumri9]

at least two staff approvals are fine i’m pretty sure

tho if u’re intending to reword the ‘at peak’ to ‘with the Darkhold’ instead of going on to downgrade wanda, then u might have to edit the CRT and add all the stuff we’ve been discussing

Including the title? Will do

 

[Hixkaryana]

what if she drew power from those other darkholda

Seems like she just siphoned the power of all the Darkholds to turn against them..Agatha moment!

 

[Ptumri9]

Seems like she just siphoned the power of all the Darkholds to turn against them..Agatha moment!

This actually also makes sense. The Darkhold allowed her to harness magic from other dimensions, and with its spells, she could reach across the multiverse. The wording “turned the dark magic upon itself” (the Darkhold) literally means she used the Darkhold’s magic against itself.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

From edits I've read, it looks like you tried to downgrade her H3-A, so in this CRT there were no changes at all except downgrade her tier after a long discussion. You'd still give her at least 5-A far higher, which would be completely useless. So I don't have anything to explain anymore, so I'll wait for the staff to talk about it. Actually, it's not a good idea to downgrade her, just change the key from at peak to with darkhold, that's problem all right now is not downgrade her

 

[Hixkaryana]

From edits I've read, it looks like you tried to downgrade her H3-A, so in this CRT there were no changes at all except downgrade her tier after a long discussion. You'd still give her at least 5-A far higher, which would be completely useless. So I don't have anything to explain anymore, so I'll wait for the staff to talk about it. Actually, it's not a good idea to downgrade her, just change the key from at peak to with darkhold, that's the problem all right now is not downgrading her

Yeah this is simply about changing her key, the downgrade was mostly rejected.

 

[FentyBeauty]

Seems like she just siphoned the power of all the Darkholds to turn against them..Agatha moment!

 

[Hixkaryana]

Agatha outdoing Cynthia iktr

 

[FentyBeauty]

Agatha outdoing Cynthia iktr

cynthia’s gonna come at u for saying that watch out!!

 

[Hixkaryana]

cynthia’s gonna come at u for saying that watch out!!

help her reaction to the redesign of the poster..

 

[FentyBeauty]

also if wanda is going to be High 3-A with the darkhold instead, what r we gonna do with this justification bc its unrelated to her darkhold destruction feat

Was stated that one day, likely as she became the Scarlet Witch, she will possess the power to bend reality to her will or destroy it entirely in accordance with her prophecy to either rule or annihilate the cosmos/everything, which she was confident in her capabilities to do so. However, she did not intend to act upon it

 

[Hixkaryana]

also if wanda is going to be High 3-A with the darkhold instead, what r we gonna do with this justification bc its unrelated to her darkhold destruction feat

The Scarlet Witch is a creature that comes from The Darkhold so it still holds up. She became the SW when she was in possession of it.

 

[Ptumri9]

also if wanda is going to be High 3-A with the darkhold instead, what r we gonna do with this justification bc its unrelated to her darkhold destruction feat

One key point in the original post (which wasn’t rejected or disagreed) is that many statements about Wanda are vague and use dramatised phrasing. It’s better not to focus too much on statements in the MCU in my opinion.

PS: I think it’s more of a narrative setup for her growth or potential.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

also if wanda is going to be High 3-A with the darkhold instead, what r we gonna do with this justification bc its unrelated to her darkhold destruction feat

If I understand correctly If she were to be changed to High3-A with darkhold, Sinister Strange would also be scaled due to his dark magic from the darkhold. ActuallySpaceMan42 and the other staff prevented this scaling. By making it be key “at peak”

 

[Ptumri9]

If I understand correctly If she were to be changed to High3-A with darkhold, Sinister Strange would also be scaled due to his dark magic from the darkhold. ActuallySpaceMan42 and the other staff prevented this scaling. By making it be key “at peak”

Wouldn’t something like this work?
High 3-A at peak, while amplified by the Darkhold. (The Darkhold is an amplification totem and repository of chaos magic.)

 

[Hixkaryana]

Um..I still don't get why we're scaling anyone but Wanda to The Darkhold here. It's a repository of Chaos Magic, meaning only someone that wields it could possibly interact and use it. Sinister Strange uses Dark Magic, and there's no reason for us to believe he could perform the same feats as the Scarlet Witch.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Wouldn’t something like this work?
High 3-A at peak, while amplified by the Darkhold. (The Darkhold is an amplification totem and repository of chaos magic.)

AP subheading on her profile already states that

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Um..I still don't get why we're scaling anyone but Wanda to The Darkhold here. It's a repository of Chaos Magic, meaning only someone that wields it could possibly interact and use it. Sinister Strange uses Dark Magic, and there's no reason for us to believe he could perform the same feats as the Scarlet Witch.

I'd say that key at peak is appropriate because no one who has ever used a darkhold will be able to scale to her, so at peak is ideal and Varies is very inappropriate for a darkhold since it's a grimoire. that educates users rather than attacking anyone

 

[Hixkaryana]

I'd say that key at peak is appropriate because no one who has ever used a darkhold will be able to scale to her, so at peak is ideal and Varies is very inappropriate for a darkhold since it's a grimoire. that educates users rather than attacking anyone

I agree, that’s why the “With the Darkhold” key is annoying I do think that the Darkhold’s tier could vary from user to user, depending on how they use it. As Fenty said, it’s the same case with the stones.

 

[Ptumri9]

I agree, that’s why the “With the Darkhold” key is annoying I do think that the Darkhold’s tier could vary from user to user, depending on how they use it. As Fenty said, it’s the same case with the stones.

“High 3-A at peak while amplified by the Darkhold”

This specifies that her peak is when she uses the Darkhold (since it amplifies her), but it doesn't imply that anyone else who uses it would automatically scale to her.

My point is that she’s at her peak while the Darkhold is amplifying her, I’m not proposing a “with the Darkhold” because that would cause scaling issues.

AP subheading on her profile already states that

Isn’t the AP subheading supposed to explain why a character is scaled to that, using feats, statements, etc.? What I’m proposing is changing the key to specify that Wanda is at her peak while amplified by the Darkhold.

 

[Hixkaryana]

“High 3-A at peak while amplified by the Darkhold”

This specifies that her peak is when she uses the Darkhold (since it amplifies her), but it doesn't imply that anyone else who uses it would automatically scale to her.

My point is that she’s at her peak while the Darkhold is amplifying her, I’m not proposing a “with the Darkhold” because that would cause scaling issues.

Yeah I got that part, I was just explaining why that specific key would be problematic

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Isn’t the AP subheading supposed to explain why a character is scaled to that, using feats, statements, etc.? What I’m proposing is changing the key to specify that Wanda is at her peak while amplified by the Darkhold.

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[Hixkaryana]

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It could use some rewording…

 

[Yokoahh5743]

It could use some rewording…

to what

 

[Hixkaryana]

to what

Well they should replace “Dark” with “Chaos” and state that she empowered herself using the Chaos Magic stored in EVERY replica of the Darkhold throughout the multiverse.

 

[Ptumri9]

Well they should replace “Dark” with “Chaos” and state that she empowered herself using the Chaos Magic stored in EVERY replica of the Darkhold throughout the multiverse.

I still think that “while amplified by the Darkhold” should be added to her key. Yes, she was at her peak, but she was at her peak while being amplified by the Darkhold. “At peak” means “at the highest/strongest,” but she isn’t naturally at her strongest; it’s situational due to the Darkhold’s amplification.

TL;DR: She is at peak when amplified.
“High 3-A at peak while amplified by the Darkhold” is clear, specific, and simple.

 

[Hixkaryana]

I still think that “while amplified by the Darkhold” should be added to her key. Yes, she was at her peak, but she was at her peak while being amplified by the Darkhold. “At peak” means “at the highest/strongest,” but she isn’t naturally at her strongest; it’s situational due to the Darkhold’s amplification.

TL;DR: She is at peak when amplified.
“High 3-A at peak while amplified by the Darkhold” is clear, specific, and simple.

Yeah I don’t disagree with that, although I think it’s quite heavy in terms of wording. Her peak is implied to be her being amplified by the Darkhold.

I was simply adding precisions to the justification of her tier.

 

[Ptumri9]

Yeah I don’t disagree with that, although I think it’s quite heavy in terms of wording. Her peak is implied to be her being amplified by the Darkhold.

I was simply adding precisions to the justification of her tier.

I mean, I don’t think it’s heavy. Monica Rambeau is scaled for absorbing Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel’s energy, which is a specific mechanic, and her key says “with energy absorption,” not “at peak.” It’s specific because it influences her tier, just like Wanda’s amplification through the Darkhold influences hers. Saying “while amplified by the Darkhold” is just clear and specific.

 

[Ptumri9]

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