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No.Did Namor create a star?
Than what happened?
If I recall, it's just an artifical sun created from vibranium, sun as in a ball of light that is powerful enough to serve as the city's sun rather than anything close to a genuine sunThan what happened?
There’s controversy around that episode? First I heard about it.Taht's of course taking aside the controversy and accusation of racism from the episode but that's another spot
This feels like a damage control statement lmao. I feel like they definitely could've made it clearer why Carter didn't get insta fried as soon as she laid fingers on the stone.According to Bryan Andrews, Peggy was shielded by Kahhori while she was using the Infinity Stones without any protection
SourceAccording to Bryan Andrews, Peggy was shielded by Kahhori while she was using the Infinity Stones without any protection
Varies from 9-B to Low 1-CKahhori scaling is gonna be insane ngl
It's mainly Hispanoamericans. A good portion of them didn't like how the Spanish were portrayed as almost entirely without any redeeming factors (the only moment I can think of as not like this is when the main conquistador offers his soldiers to take the first dip in what he thinks is the Fountain of Youth and is genuinely horrified when he sees them dying) and the fact the Spanish never even met the Mohawk in real life, with some outright accusing the MCU of glossing over the fact the British and to an extent the French, were the perpetrators of colonization against the Natives. The worst part might be Queen Isabella ; in real life, she was adamently against slavery over natives, to the point she passed laws forbidding the act and outright banned it (In her testamentary dispositions, she instructed her heirs: 'Do not allow or permit that the Indians, residents and inhabitants of the said Indies and Mainland, both conquered and to be conquered, suffer any harm to their persons or property, but command that they be treated well and justly' (codicil of November 23, 1504)."). So basically, the absolute opposite of the uber-racist "all europeans are colonialists" stereotyope we have here. Especially since Queen Isabella is particulary liked in Spain, in part because she fought slavery unlike most other european leaders at the time. To represent her as an evil colonialist is essentially the same thing as representing Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King as greedy, mass murdering psychopaths in terms of levels of insult.What are the accusations? Are people upset because they see it as a stereotypical representation or are people upset because it called out colonialization?
All I’m gonna say on this is I truly do not think it’s that deep. This is coming from somebody with family from Spain, being Hispanic isn’t an ethnicity like being Latino or black so most of these arguments don’t apply the way you’re saying they would if it was the other way around. There does seem to be some simplifications of history in the episode like what you mentioned about how Native Americans are represented but I don’t think to the degree that it could be seen as offensive. That’s just my view on itIt's mainly Hispanoamericans. A good portion of them didn't like how the Spanish were portrayed as almost entirely without any redeeming factors (the only moment I can think of as not like this is when the main conquistador offers his soldiers to take the first dip in what he thinks is the Fountain of Youth and is genuinely horrified when he sees them dying) and the fact the Spanish never even met the Mohawk in real life, with some outright accusing the MCU of glossing over the fact the British and to an extent the French, were the perpetrators of colonization against the Natives. The worst part might be Queen Isabella ; in real life, she was adamently against slavery over natives, to the point she passed laws forbidding the act and outright banned it (In her testamentary dispositions, she instructed her heirs: 'Do not allow or permit that the Indians, residents and inhabitants of the said Indies and Mainland, both conquered and to be conquered, suffer any harm to their persons or property, but command that they be treated well and justly' (codicil of November 23, 1504)."). So basically, the absolute opposite of the uber-racist "all europeans are colonialists" stereotyope we have here. Especially since Queen Isabella is particulary liked in Spain, in part because she fought slavery unlike most other european leaders at the time. To represent her as an evil colonialist is essentially the same thing as representing Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King as greedy, mass murdering psychopaths in terms of levels of insult.
There's also the "alternate universe/history" argument but that's a very bad argument when you realize that means it's okay to change history to show spaniards as evil but doing it with black people would be bad, which is (understandably)seen as raw hypocrisy.
It certainly doesn't help that there's been a hot debate about Hispanoamericans representation and discriminations going on, with a LOT of them accusing medias and tons of people to downplay racism against latinos or spaniards and behaving like their stereotypical depictions is less harmful than stereotypes against black people, essentially establishing a hierarchy between discriminations and implying some forms of racism are less harmful and therefore don't matter as much as others (in short, that would mean racism against black people = bad but racism against Latinos and Hispanoamericans is ok or at least not bad enough to care). Not to mention stuff like calling them "latinix" (most Latinos DESPISE this) or the fact the spanish word for black is "*****" and some americans outright said the spanish language should be changed because it's offensive (try to say that to a spaniard and your mother being insulted is probably the nicest thing you'll hear from them). Essentially, Hispanoamericans are more and more annoyed of how they're portrayed and to see that apparently, discrimination against them is not as bad as other forms (and unfortunately, it appears some people genuinely have this mindset).
Aside from that, a few also accused the episode of mixing Native Americans as if they were a single culture and there was no nuances or different beliefs, notably with the sky bull scenes (bulls are NOT part of Mohawk traditions)
Doesn't change the fact a historical figure known for having fought racism and outright banned it is somehow turned into an uber-racist for basically no reason. Again, imagine if a beloved black figure was turned like this. I don't think there was racism in the mind of the writers but I do think there's some hypocrisy on how discriminations is handled. Like you, it's just my point of view but I also have friends from Spain, one of which is a student in history, and they were annoyed at best and outright despised it at worst when they saw that a beloved historical figure from their country was reduced to a stereotypical slaver even though she fought against slavery itselfAll I’m gonna say on this is I truly do not think it’s that deep. This is coming from somebody with family from Spain, being Hispanic isn’t an ethnicity like being Latino or black so most of these arguments don’t apply the way you’re saying they would if it was the other way around.
It's probably just ignorance but to whoever is well-versed (at least to a degree) in this kind of stuff, it can be quite jarring. It's just weird that the writers took care of making the characters speak in genuine native language and had real Mohwak people voice them but didn't pay attention to those details. It's like when Supernatural showed Kali, a Hindu goddess, eating meat (more precisely, human meat from sacrifices) when she's a vegetarian. That kind of mistakes is kind of weirdThere does seem to be some simplifications of history in the episode like what you mentioned about how Native Americans are represented but I don’t think to the degree that it could be seen as offensive. That’s just my view on it
Yeah true. Though I do tend to agree with Latinos and hispanics complaining about a form of hypocrisy. Asians also seem to go through that, especially after Covid. Bottom line, an awful lot of people tend to think some forms of racism are less important than others and I wholly disagree with thatPeople really don’t understand what racism is or what constitutes racism, but always want to use it…
Considering what the Spanish did to Middle and South American Natives, there is no foot to stand on. It’s a goddamn “What If” Story. People are just mad about nothing.Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on Spanish history, but if Isabella was so against poor treatment and enslavement of the natives, why was Columbus promoted and rewarded heavily upon returning to Spain? From my minute google search efforts it seems like he was only arrested in 1500 during his 3rd voyage for "mismanagement"
It's only a guess but one could say Isabella was pretty busy dealing with the creation of Spain. No, really, she and Ferdinand of Aragon literally created Spain itself. Originally, they were from different kingdoms (Isabella from Castile and Ferdinand from Aragon) but decided to unite all those territories under one rule. They were the first to call themelves King and Queen of Spain, again because they pretty much created it, with Isabella herself playing a gigantic part, essentially single-handedly lowering crime rates and erasing the bankrupt debt her half-brother Henry IV left behind. The Spanish Golden Age and Spanish Empire happened because of her and Ferdinand, she straight-up reorganized the whole governmental system. So while certainly NO excuse, she was basically busy dealing with the creation of an entire kingdom, country, government and empire from almost scratch. The goal with Colombus was just so her kingdom could extend its influence, once it was done thanks to Colombus's discoveries, she essentially focused on more pressing matters, aka the establishment and full construction of a functionning kingdom and empire.Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on Spanish history, but if Isabella was so against poor treatment and enslavement of the natives, why was Columbus promoted and rewarded heavily upon returning to Spain? From my minute google search efforts it seems like he was only arrested in 1500 during his 3rd voyage for "mismanagement"
I wouldn't call nothing having one historical figure known and confirmed by all historians in the world notable for being against one of the most disgusting practices of our species, especially centuries ago, turned into a slaver nothing.Considering what the Spanish did to Middle and South American Natives, there is no foot to stand on. It’s a goddamn “What If” Story. People are just mad about nothing.
As an American myself, I will proudly say these defenses of Queen Isabella and the Spanish’s role in colonization is highly ignorant and a attempt to rewrite history.
Once again, no. You can't call it accurate at all. Queen Isabella was firmly opposed to slavery in real life so representing her as a greedy slaver (and a stupid one at that, which again is far from reality) is not accurate at all. It's like taking Leonidas of Sparta and making him a cannibalistic sociopath who eats babies for fun. Considering the era he lived in and Spartans mentality, he's more than certainly guilty of horrific stuff but that's not accurate at all. Or saying Aelfred the Great was a psychopathic murderer who fought the vikings solely because he was evil and a tyrant while he was pretty much the opposite and technically the oppressed in that situation.their depiction was accurate none-the-less.
Tbf considering the undertones and direction of S2 of "What if...?" I'm not surprised. Truthfully this is tame stuff compared to the responses I've seen on YouTube, Discord, Facebook, etc even for current MCU standards, S2 of "What if...?" is extremely divisive even among casual audiences.Dang mcu discussion has changed it something else
I’ve literally never seen any of this the only complaints I’ve seen people had is how some episodes aren’t that interesting like nebula etc and that they are doing way to much for PeggyTbf considering the undertones and direction of S2 of "What if...?" I'm not surprised. Truthfully this is tame stuff compared to the responses I've seen on YouTube, Discord, Facebook, etc even for current MCU standards, S2 of "What if...?" is extremely divisive even among casual audiences.
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Hell nah she ain't no 1-C, not even planetaryVaries from 9-B to Low 1-C
They aren’t possible to finish because they need mod approval which are very rare on this site like several of crt have been stuck in limbo cause of this due to how few mods there areFor the people who keep creating new MCU CRTs
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They aren’t possible to finish because they need mod approval which are very rare on this site like several of crt have been stuck in limbo cause of this due to how few mods there are
No it’s literally just the amount of mods like the tesseract crt 1 guy tagged 3 only 2 showed and went neutral so now he’s stuck in limbo cause no other mods will show and he’s been bumping it for many days with no progressMaybe because of how you format your CRTs? What you link in them? Heck, the only thing in your current CRT are two scans of the Mark 2 HB. And one of Yokoahh5743's linked videos in their CRT got taken down.
And as other people said multiple times, CRTs take time. Some for days, and some for months possibly even years to finish.