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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
- Thread starter Valiant_Abyss
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Oh, I really wong it
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In summary, Captain Marvel's Sun Restart will be upgraded or not and what form the key will be in. And which key will be used? Because she already has the fullpower key
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I’m predicting this might be a key like “Post-Endgame” or something, but we’ll see when the revision comes up
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There's three ways I see it going
- Upgrades her Full Power key to 4-C, in which case everyone from Thanos to Zeus also gets upgraded to 4-C
- A new key that no one scales to me
which I personally don't agree with, but I haven't watched the movie, so what do I know? - An outlier
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From a discussion I have seen in another thread, I think we usually don't give a new key to characters if they perform a higher feat than what they did before, unless they trained, they are said to have become stronger or the verse already established prior that characters just gets stronger out of nowhere.
With Thor it makes sense to have a sperate key since we see his training and there is statements from WoG that he is at his strongest in L&T, but if there is nothing of the sort in the Marvels I honestly wouldn't like for that to be a separate key (especially because it wouldn't makes sense under a narrative point of view for her to become this much stronger in just a couple of year when she had decades to become stronger).
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So can we use scaling with other characters?
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If that becomes the case, unlikely
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That’s why I said we’ll wait until the revision. I haven’t seen the film so idk if she trained or it’s implied she got stronger or something. It could apply to old stuff, it could be a new key. I don’t know yet
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Dose she absorb any energy or dose she just do it on her own?
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From what I saw, she didn't absorb the energy at all, she turned it on herself
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Yes, I completely agree since I haven't seen the movie neither. That was just a general argument since I already know that if there is no statement of her training or being stronger than before it will be a highly controversial debate, and since I am not sure if I will have the time to participate in it I want to throw my opinion in advance.
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Never. No scaling between them
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Maybe if this is accepted Savage Hulk will definitely scale higher than Smart Hulk. But that may not be possible with you only that.
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That or we assume Hulk is more durable but not stronger than Carol (but no)
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We still don’t have evidence of Caveman Hulk being stronger. Well, in regards to being able to access his rage boost, he can become stronger. But in terms of base stats, Professor Hulk is just as strong
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Looks like Thor tearing out part of a spaceship now has a calc, though it will need evaluation.
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Not really considering how low we have him in his first couple of appearances
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Smart Hulk's 6-B rating literally comes from his Caveman 6-B rating. As far as the wiki page goes, we still don't treat him as weaker and I have yet to find any legit evidence that suggests he got weaker
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I was talking about savage hulk, his “base” would be lower then smart hulk
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The only reason he is comes from the lack of rage boosts. Aside from that, he's no different in strength. Its kinda like how anime fans actually believe a previously overpowered character is nerfed just because other characters catch up in strength and threats get more intense
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From FOX-Men?
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I'm thinking thats the intended purpose of the reference since it happens in a different universe, but I'm not sure if this is MoM Xavier case or not
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I think there's no way it could be 838 because Captain Marvel in that universe isn't binary yet
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Oh I didn't imply it was 838. Just that idk if this is meant to be a scene that takes place in the FOX Universe yet or not
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If captain marvel gets no mention of getting stronger then it seems fair to upgrade endgame cast
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Thanos was barely even phased by her Attacks and overpowered her with 1 arm anyone with eyes can tell when she fought thanos he was incredibly tired and injured from fighting a gauntlet of mcu high tiers like tony Thor cap Wanda 2 of which were confirmed to almost beat him cap and wanda
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Oh, I guess scaling's not too controversial in that regard then
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She HAS to be a stonewall considering even a half-dead Thanos could push back against her leg WITH HIS BAD ARM
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Her being a stone wall would be a bit weird given she's traded blows with opponents who can harm her
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She stonewalled thanos out of the blue when he tried to head butt her
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Binary Carol's only scaling is fighting Thanos anyways and each time she gets manhandled but stonewalls him
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