MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[Emerald]

A guy tried to upgrade Thor to Low 2-C, and when everyone told him "nah" he started to shit on the wiki for some reason and bringing up other verses that have nothing to do with the MCU

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

shit on the wiki for some reason

Yeah, this wiki has no validity because we didn't mindlessly accept a statement from the "Kevin Feige Blessed Canon WOG" and we keep on downplaying the MCU because everyone in it is obviously Tier 2.

There's no such thing as Hyperbole, Hype Text, Plot Induced Stupidity, Outliers, etc.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

As for episode 4 of Loki season 2:

Now that we have more context on the recording that Loki found in the season premiere, I guess the date of 06.12.2321 on the recording applies to the aftermath of the Multiversal War?

Miss Minutes just seems to keep getting creepier over time.

Rest in spaghetti, Victor Timely.

Well, I'm glad there's still two more episodes left in the season.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

A guy tried to upgrade Thor to Low 2-C, and when everyone told him "nah" he started to shit on the wiki for some reason and bringing up other verses that have nothing to do with the MCU

Powerscaling brings out the worst in people

 

[ArkhamDC06]

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I have said that ending a threat doesn't mean ending her life, but looking at the wording of the sentence makes me a bit doubtful

Then again, I have very little trust in this stupid timeline book after what happened

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I have said that ending a threat doesn't mean ending her life, but looking at the wording of the sentence makes me a bit doubtful

Then again, I have very little trust in this stupid timeline book after what happened

hEadcAnOn! Ur jUst dEspErAtE n' dIllUsIonAl!

dIs hErEsy agAInst tEh kEvIn fEigE blEssEd hOly cAnOn wOg!

omg!omg!no cap! no cap! 4real!real!

 

[RoTt35]

A guy tried to upgrade Thor to Low 2-C

That was the same guy who wanted to upgrade Loki to 4-A/2-A/Low 1-C and He Who Remains/K.E.V.I.N. to 1-A btw

 

[ArkhamDC06]

That was the same guy who wanted to upgrade Loki to 4-A/2-A/Low 1-C and He Who Remains/K.E.V.I.N. to 1-A btw

Loki to 4-A? WTF was the reasonning behind that?

 

[Propellus]

Loki to 4-A? WTF was the reasonning behind that?

Just because he went through a wormhole

 

[Propellus]

At the same time would be a massive outlier for those character who scale to Loki

 

[darkphantom9805]

the timeline book is a absolute joke Thanos didn’t use the power stone the stone wasn’t glowing and he didn’t close his fist also using common sense

Thanos > fat endgame thor > awakened ragnarock Thor > prime ragnarock hulk

So he would have no need to use + ebony maw literally said Thanos was playing with hulk

 

[TFO]

Tbf, the Powerstone does passively amp whoever wields it to an unquantifiable degree.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Tbf, the Powerstone does passively amp whoever wields it to an unquantifiable degree.

Russos, Marvel website and Marvel guidebook all suggest that Thanos wasn't amped by the Stone

 

[TFO]

Russos, Marvel website and Marvel guidebook all suggest that Thanos wasn't amped by the Stone

And yet, the movies have all CONSISTENTLY showed the the Powerstone passively amps the wielders.

That has nothing to do with the Stone being in use (Glowing). So yes, Thanos wasn’t “actively” using the stone to further power himself, but that doesn’t have any bearing on the shown passive amps.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

And yet, the movies have all CONSISTENTLY showed the the Powerstone passively amps the wielders.

And yet, it was CONSISTENTLY stated to not be the case for Thanos

That has nothing to do with the Stone being in use (Glowing). So yes, Thanos wasn’t “actively” using the stone to further power himself, but that doesn’t have any bearing on the shown passive amps.

The Marvel Website additionally states that it's Thanos' powerful muscles and strength that allowed him to battle, outmanoeuvre and defeat Hulk, nothing to do with the Power Stone

The Marvel Studios: Character Encyclopedia further attributes Thanos easily defeating and humiliating Hulk to Thanos' own strength, nothing to do with the Power Stone

 

[darkphantom9805]

Tbf, the Powerstone does passively amp whoever wields it to an unquantifiable degree.

not the the IG the IG is literally shown to passively injure the user

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Mobius seems to be a stress eater

 

[TFO]

And yet, it was CONSISTENTLY stated to not be the case for Thanos

So we’re going to just ignore consistent showcases of passive amps? It doesn’t matter what they say if they’ll contradict it the in what they show.

Further more, the argument could be made this new statement retcons the previous statements and is in-line with actual showings.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

It doesn’t matter what they say if they’ll contradict it the in what they show.

It doesn't contradict what is shown in Infinity War and it's been consistently stated by multiple different sources

So we’re going to just ignore consistent showcases of passive amps?

Passive amps were already discussed and rejected in a previous CRT

 

[TFO]

not the the IG the IG is literally shown to passively injure the user

The IG doesn’t stop the surge of power from the stones. We obviously didn’t see him collect the PS and put in the Gauntlet, but we see even the SS surge affected him, thus the PS surge likely did the same, it’s that unquantifiable surge that is shown to have amped users passively.

 

[TFO]

It doesn't contradicts what is shown in Infinity War

It really does.

Passive amps were already rejected in a previous CRT

Well if the wiki rejected that then disregard my posts.

 

[darkphantom9805]

what was the strength difference between fat Thor and endgame Thanos ?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

what was the strength difference between fat Thor and endgame Thanos ?

Thanos has a notable advantage, but he's not that much stronger given that Thor could still catch his attack and wrestle him

 

[darkphantom9805]

Thanos has a notable advantage, but he's not that much stronger given that Thor could still catch his attack and wrestle him

You would think they are close but Thanos is more skilled and agile but there is one specific scene that makes no sense

How did he hold off awakened fat Thor and worthy cap at the same time with 1 arm on his knees

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

How did he hold off awakened fat Thor and worthy cap at the same time with 1 arm on his knees

Cap wasn't wielding Mjolnir at the time, so I dunno if he's really empowered by the hammer and making a big difference in the struggle

It looks mostly like Thanos and Thor are comparable, but Thor was clearly pressurising and straining Thanos, and slowly bringing Stormbreaker closer to his neck

Also, I wouldn't really call it holding them off. Cap came in late and Stormbreaker was very close to Thanos' neck by that point, and Thanos was forced to quickly get them off him

 

[darkphantom9805]

Cap wasn't wielding Mjolnir at the time, so I dunno if he's really making a big difference

Doesn’t matter as long as it shares a telekinetic link with him he gets stats otherwise every time Jane or him throws mjolnir they loses their stats which makes no sense

Also immediately after Thanos throws a punch non holding back and cap survives meaning he has Thor stats

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Also immediately after Thanos throws a punch non holding back and cap survives meaning he has Thor stats

Cap was still instantly KOed, whereas Thor survived repeated punches and kicks from Thanos

Surviving the attack doesn't necessarily mean he has Thor's stats

 

[darkphantom9805]

Cap was still instantly KOed, whereas Thor survived repeated punches and kicks from Thanos

Surviving the attack doesn't necessarily mean he has Thor's stats

Super soldiers would die immediately from a non holding back punch by thanos lol he wouldn’t just be ko

Surviving literally proves it it cause if he had his normals stats he’d be splattered

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I have said that ending a threat doesn't mean ending her life, but looking at the wording of the sentence makes me a bit doubtful

Then again, I have very little trust in this stupid timeline book after what happened

Going off of the replies that part is marked with a symbol the book uses for major character deaths, so idk she may be dead i think

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Going off of the replies that part is marked with a symbol the book uses for major character deaths, so idk she may be dead i think

Which is stupid because the movie deliberately left her fate ambiguous

 

[Reyne]

Doesn’t matter as long as it shares a telekinetic link with him he gets stats otherwise every time Jane or him throws mjolnir they loses their stats which makes no sense

Also immediately after Thanos throws a punch non holding back and cap survives meaning he has Thor stats

Throws are different from losing hold, as seen with Jane when the trio return from the Shadow Realm. Even still, Cap has regular effectiveness against a Sakaaran when he and Thor are side by side, before throwing them with Mjolnir. Knocks him put in three strikes like a Power Rangers goon.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Throws are different from losing hold, as seen with Jane when the trio return from the Shadow Realm. Even still, Cap has regular effect Ness against either a Chitauri footsoldier or Outrider when he and Thor are side by side, before throwing them with Mjolnir.

my guy cap proves he still had Thor stats when he survived a non holding back punch to the face by thanos if he was back to regular super soldier he would’ve been splattered

 

[Reyne]

my guy cap proves he still had Thor stats when he survived a non holding back punch to the face by thanos if he was back to regular super soldier he would’ve been splattered

He had his helmet on, which only scales to Thanos. Not that Thanos' punches are consistant given holding back Thanos could overload T-Challa's habit and knock him out, but not splatter the inferior helmet less Cap.

 

[darkphantom9805]

He had his helmet on, which only scales to Thanos. Not that Thanos' punches are consistant given holding back Thanos could overload T-Challa's habit and knock him out, but not splatter the inferior helmet less Cap.

Did you actually just say cap helmet scales to Thanos bruh now this is just cope it’s like saying cap gear is now as durable as Thor

Thanos wasn’t holding back he had no reason to holding back he literally just ko fat Thor + they were super close to killing him I doubt he’d hold back in a life or death situation when the gauntlet was right in front of him and he fought so many high tiers in a row

I think this scene might just be an outlier for Thanos

 

[Reyne]

Did you actually just say cap helmet scales to Thanos bruh now this is just cope it’s like saying cap gear is now as durable as Thor

Thanos wasn’t holding back he had no reason to holding back he literally just ko fat Thor and they were super close to killing him I doubt he hold back in a life or death situation

Well, I'm saying scaling the final battle is a but off, but more importantly, Cap only ever uses that suit in that battle. There's no contraction.

I didn't say he was. Thor was slowly overpowering his arm on his own, and somehow Cap grabbing Stormbreaker didn't end the scuffle with the axe in Thanos' chest. Try holding back two people who are both 80% as strong as you. Inconconsistancy

Speaking of constancy, or the lack thereof.

Cool that the chosen calcs for Jotenheim and Sokovia line up in 400 gigaton rang, but how is a painful charge up for 20 seconds the same as a casual 1 tap?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Well, I'm saying scaling the final battle is a but off, but more importantly, Cap only ever uses that suit in that battle. There's no contraction.

I didn't say he was. Thor was slowly overpowering his arm on his own, and somehow Cap grabbing Stormbreaker didn't end the scuffle with the axe in Thanos' chest. Try holding back two people who are both 80% as strong as you. Inconconsistancy

What do you think his suit is made of vibranium? Uru ? Tony nano tech ? Like obviously it does not scale lol

the only argument you could make was he was injured but then how did he knock out thor how did Thor even overpower and drop him into his knees in 3 seconds if Thanos was able to match him with 1 arm and ko with a Single head butt to be honest this entire scene makes 0 sense to me it has to be an outlier for someone but who ?

 

[Reyne]

What do you think his suit is made of vibranium? Uru ? Tony nano tech ? Like obviously it does not scale lol

the only argument you could make was he was injured but then how did he knock out thor how did Thor even overpower and drop him into his knees in 3 seconds if Thanos was able to match him with 1 arm and ko with a Single head butt to be honest this entire scene makes 0 sense to me it has to be an outlier for someone

Thanosproofium - Tony fixed the scratches on Cap's shield/he can work it in What If. I don't see why he didn't make the spiffy new suit something durable. Not vibranium, but Badassium durable.

Thor was one punch away from death before Cap saved him. He just wasn't 100% in the head, literally, so a weak headbutt was enough. Like a boxer getting their nose brushed against.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Guess I gotta check out Loki S2, hopefully it’s better then season 1

 

[darkphantom9805]

Thanosproofium - Tony fixed the scratches on Cap's shield/he can work it in What If. I don't see why he didn't make the spiffy new suit something durable. Not vibranium, but Badassium durable.

Thor was one punch away from death before Cap saved him. He just wasn't 100% in the head, literally, so a weak headbutt was enough. Like a boxer getting their nose brushed against.

regardless this scene is wacky and has to be an outlier for either Thor cap or Thanos