MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[TFO]

Does the book actually confirm in certain terms that Arishem was the source of the big bang?

 

[darkphantom9805]

So does the book have any statements for upgrades or no?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

According to the timeline book, Odin's true age is unclear because of him periodically falling into the Odinsleep:

So Odinsleep is like a Cryo Chamber for Odin, it pauses his bodily functions but his consciousness is active, and his magic is being replenished.

So Odin therefore could be older than Loki's 5000 year statement, which with context from the book, seems to refer to average Asgardians.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

So biologically 5,000 years old, physically over 500,000 years old

 

[Reyne]

"Among the entities who shape the early universe are the Celestials, one of the oldest and most powerful forms of life to ever exist. These god-like beings pre-date the birth of the cosmos as well as the Infinity Stones, and use their ability to manipulate matter and energy to help construct suns that make life possible on other worlds."

Probably already posted, but whatevs.

 

[ParkerKent007]

The new official MCU Timeline Book with foreword by Kevin Feige confirms that Stormbreaker Thor is universe level. It says "energy streams from the Infinity Gauntlet, SUPERCHARGING Thanos just before he performs the Snap" and "as Thanos SURGES WITH POWER from his completed Infinity Gauntlet, Thor strikes him in the chest with Stormbreaker."

Same book confirms Thanos beat Hulk with the Power Stone. Since Thanos clearly did not activate the Power Stone against Hulk, the Power Stone amped Thanos' body just like with Ronan previously who was not hurt by ANYTHINGwith the Power Stone, just like the Space Stone did for Captain Marvel, just like the Mind Stone did for Wanda, and just like the Reality Stone did for Malekith.

Same book confirms Doctor Strange used the Time Stone to trap Dormammu into an infinite loop, Dormammu who rules his own universe. Same book confirms Malekith was going to use the Reality Stone to warp the entire universe. Same book confirms that 2014 Thanos was going to destroy and remake the universe. Same book confirms the Infinity Stones each "control an essential aspect of existence" and that "together can be used to RESHAPE EXISTENCE." This is the energy that was AMPING THANOS when Thor cut open his chest. Same book confirms Thor could have killed Thanos at the time if he had aimed for the head instead of "missing his mark."

This book is canon.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

The TVA being included within the timeline book is odd considering the TVA is portrayed functionally as its own independent timeline where past does affect the present.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

The new official MCU Timeline Book with foreword by Kevin Feige confirms that Stormbreaker Thor is universe level. It says "energy streams from the Infinity Gauntlet, SUPERCHARGING Thanos just before he performs the Snap" and "as Thanos SURGES WITH POWER from his completed Infinity Gauntlet, Thor strikes him in the chest with Stormbreaker."

The new official MCU Timeline Book with foreword by Kevin Feige confirms that Stormbreaker Thor is universe level. It says "energy streams from the Infinity Gauntlet, SUPERCHARGING Thanos just before he performs the Snap" and "as Thanos SURGES WITH POWER from his completed Infinity Gauntlet, Thor strikes him in the chest with Stormbreaker."

of context, I think he stated that Thanos charged the infinity stone power in order to wipe out half the universe's population. More than his charge to attack Thor. Thanos has a definite goal as the movie and Kevin Feige have previously stated So the clash with Stormbreaker wasn't all an explosion full power of infinity stone and stormbreaker it not universe level

 

[Dinobot1996]

The modified Runes of Kof-Kol are described as having cracked the multiverse:

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Ha
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We don't use the statement that Thanos and Hulk are equally strong because it contradicts what is shown. We're not gonna use a statement that contradicts multiple sources, not to forget the literal intent and reason for the scene being made in the first place

The Marvel Website additionally states that it's Thanos' physical strength that allowed him to battle, outmanoeuvre and defeat Hulk

The Marvel Studios: Character Encyclopedia further attributes Thanos easily defeating and humiliating Hulk to Thanos' own strength

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Maybe, just maybe, "Titan wielding the Power Stone" is just a description/title of Thanos and not necessarily saying that Thanos was actively using the stone?

"The Titan wielding the Power Stone"
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[Sir_Marvulous]

The modified Runes of Kof-Kol are described as having cracked the multiverse:

Low 1-C ED with destabilized Runes of Kof-Kol

 

[Dinobot1996]

So Odinsleep is like a Cryo Chamber for Odin, it pauses his bodily functions but his consciousness is active, and his magic is being replenished.

So Odin therefore could be older than Loki's 5000 year statement, which with context from the book, seems to refer to average Asgardians.

Interestingly, the Thor junior novel describes Odin as having ruled for tens of thousands of years, though that might be difficult to reconcile with what The Dark World later established.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

though that might be difficult to reconcile with what The Dark World later established.

The Loki 5000 year thing?

 

[Dinobot1996]

The Loki 5000 year thing?

I was mainly thinking of the timeline of the Convergence being every 5000 years, and how Bor was apparently still king when the previous one occurred.

 

[Excellence616]

Ancient One Dimensional Travel Addition

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/thanos-mcu-durability-5-c-upgrades.160036/

People really like to jump the gun

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/thanos-mcu-durability-5-c-upgrades.160036/

People really like to jump the gun

How does this affect the scaling chain

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

How does this affect the scaling chain

Anyone that can harm or survive Thanos without PIS either Downscales, Scales, or Upscales.

The Mark 50 becomes 5-C in general because it can withstand the force of its own attack (Striking Strength ~ Durability) that was able to harm Thanos which in turn grants Thanos 5-C Striking Strength

This also makes Cull 5-C in general since he can trade blows and withstand attacks from the Mark 50

TL;DR, basically a majority of Ragnarok to Endgame characters become 5-C in one way or another

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/thanos-mcu-durability-5-c-upgrades.160036/

People really like to jump the gun

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

 

[ParkerKent007]

New CRT for MCU Thor based on the official Timeline book. I don't expect VS Battles to change anything, due to the nature of your rules. Yet this is now documented:

New Official MCU Timeline Book Confirms Thor Is Universe Level

The new official MCU Timeline Book with foreword by Kevin Feige confirms that Stormbreaker Thor is universe level. It says "energy streams from the Infinity Gauntlet, SUPERCHARGING Thanos just before he performs the Snap" and "as Thanos SURGES WITH POWER from his completed Infinity Gauntlet...

vsbattles.com

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

 

[ParkerKent007]

Go against the newest definition of the official MCU canon, and VS Battles loses its validity from here on out.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

 

[Coolboy6]

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I don't expect VS Battles to change anything, due to the nature of your rules.

Go against the newest definition of the official MCU canon, and VS Battles loses its validity from here on out.

Oh boy, totally valid sites to go to if one doesn't like VS Battle Wiki

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I remember Fictional Battle Omniverse Wikipedia

I wish I didn't

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I remember Fictional Battle Omniverse Wikipedia

I wish I didn't

Marvel_Champion wishing to remove his memories

 

[Dinobot1996]

The fate of the Scarlet Witch, according to the Timeline book:

 

[ParkerKent007]

The new official MCU Timeline Book with foreword by Kevin Feige confirms that Stormbreaker Thor is universe level. It says "energy streams from the Infinity Gauntlet, SUPERCHARGING Thanos just before he performs the Snap" and "as Thanos SURGES WITH POWER from his completed Infinity Gauntlet, Thor strikes him in the chest with Stormbreaker."

Same book confirms Thanos beat Hulk with the Power Stone. Since Thanos clearly did not activate the Power Stone against Hulk, the Power Stone amped Thanos' body just like with Ronan previously who was not hurt by ANYTHINGwith the Power Stone, just like the Space Stone did for Captain Marvel, just like the Mind Stone did for Wanda, and just like the Reality Stone did for Malekith.

Same book confirms Doctor Strange used the Time Stone to trap Dormammu into an infinite loop, Dormammu who rules his own universe. Same book confirms Malekith was going to use the Reality Stone to warp the entire universe. Same book confirms that 2014 Thanos was going to destroy and remake the universe. Same book confirms the Infinity Stones each "control an essential aspect of existence" and that "together can be used to RESHAPE EXISTENCE." This is the energy that was AMPING THANOS when Thor cut open his chest. Same book confirms Thor could have killed Thanos at the time if he had aimed for the head instead of "missing his mark."

This book is canon.

One last thing ... you all can go against official WoG Kevin Feige canon if you want, and live in headcanon. Yet the same book uses the same word – "SUPERCHARGING" – to describe Electro bringing his body back when he first appears in NWH. This book is using the same word here as with Thanos in my OP image, because the words mean the same thing in these contexts. Electricity is energy for Electro. My OP image says the Gauntlet's energy supercharged Thanos. This happened. It's canon. Cope.

 

[RoTt35]

If only that same enthusiasm was put into reasonably upgrading the Low/Mid-Tiers, abilities/hax, cosmology, etc. instead of wanking characters to inconsistent and exaggerated tiers

 

[Dinobot1996]

High 8-C Super Soldiers and High 6-A Pre-Awakening Thor probably still have arguments to be made for them, even if some recalcs/further evaluations would likely be needed.

 

[ParkerKent007]

If only that same enthusiasm was put into reasonably upgrading the Low/Mid-Tiers, abilities/hax, cosmology, etc. instead of wanking characters to inconsistent and exaggerated tiers

VS Battles, same website that has comic book Batman speed at least supersonic+ and comic book Nick Fury attack potency high hyperverse level. But I'm wanking to inconsistent and exaggerated tiers through screenshots of statements in an official WoG canon book. Cool.

 

[Tyranno223]

VS Battles, same website that has comic book Batman speed at least supersonic+ and comic book Nick Fury attack potency high hyperverse level. But I'm wanking to inconsistent and exaggerated tiers through screenshots of statements in an official WoG canon book. Cool.

Don't get me wrong, there are genuine issues with profiles, but you do realise that's Nick Fury when he had the powers of the Watcher right? C'mon.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This sounds familiar

 

[Propellus]

VS Battles, same website that has comic book Batman speed at least supersonic+ and comic book Nick Fury attack potency high hyperverse level. But I'm wanking to inconsistent and exaggerated tiers through screenshots of statements in an official WoG canon book. Cool.

Whataboutism isn't gonna get you anywhere with that, and if anything other profiles has their own variable problems or they just have much different context than this

 

[ParkerKent007]

Whataboutism isn't gonna get you anywhere with that, and if anything other profiles has their own variable problems or they just have much different context than this

Cool, because an entire website based on creating a uniform set of criteria for power levels and types should have profiles that wank to nonsense and others that lowball to nonsense.

 

[Lacku]

This sounds familiar

Scarlet Witch story try not to be about grief challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Scarlet Witch story try not to be about grief challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

Blame Bendis for making it popular...