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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

Can I call PIS since this was a planetary threat too thousands of worlds, if it was that slow it'd barely be worth the hype and danger they evoke
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
In regards to the High 8-C CRT, Raimiverse Pumpkin Bombs would be High 8-C via Scaling to Tom Holland Spidey right, in which case IW/EG/NWH/MoM Doctor Strange would High 8-C in general too right?

Since MoM DS could fight Alternate Mordo or Eye Ball Monster, who in turn could harm him with their barehanded strikes.
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Basically, IW/EG/NWH/MoM DS would have High 8-C Durability for tanking a Pumpkin Bomb which could harm Tom Holland Spiderman, with supporting feats of taking hits from Eyeball-topus and Alternate Mordo.

Wherein Alternate Mordo would have High 8-C Striking Strength for harming DS, in which case he'd have High 8-C Durability for withstanding his own punches and kicks.

Which would give IW/EG/NWH/MoM Doctor Strange High 8-C Striking Strength for harming Alternate Mordo with his own punches and kicks.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
In regards to the High 8-C CRT, Raimiverse Pumpkin Bombs would be High 8-C via Scaling to Tom Holland Spidey right, in which case IW/EG/NWH/MoM Doctor Strange would High 8-C in general too right?

Since MoM DS could fight Alternate Mordo or Eye Ball Monster, who in turn could harm him with their barehanded strikes.
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Yeah they'd all be affected as well
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
In regards to the High 8-C CRT, Raimiverse Pumpkin Bombs would be High 8-C via Scaling to Tom Holland Spidey right, in which case IW/EG/NWH/MoM Doctor Strange would High 8-C in general too right?

Since MoM DS could fight Alternate Mordo or Eye Ball Monster, who in turn could harm him with their barehanded strikes.
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Nah, Pumpkin Bombs would still just be 8-C supporting feats. Although Strange would still get High 8-C scaling via Lizard

Though speaking of which….I remember the “skeleton” bomb used in SM1 has gotten 8-B results before. Is it valid? No clue. Does it scale to others? No, since it’s a specific bomb. Would it be useful? Actually yes, since that would mean a High 8-C guy like Goblin would have access to 8-B weaponry
 
Lonkitt said:
Nah, Pumpkin Bombs would still just be 8-C supporting feats. Although Strange would still get High 8-C scaling via Lizard

Though speaking of which….I remember the “skeleton” bomb used in SM1 has gotten 8-B results before. Is it valid? No clue. Does it scale to others? No, since it’s a specific bomb. Would it be useful? Actually yes, since that would mean a High 8-C guy like Goblin would have access to 8-B weaponry
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Only the first method got accepted
 
Just got out of the theater.

The movie was meh-ish to me. Not trash (the reviews in my country are catastrophic) and entertaining I guess but not memorable nor really good.

About feats and abilities, Cassie should get a profile. MODOK only has weapon manip, flight and energy projection, nothing too impressive. Naturally, the most interesting case is Kang.

For starters, he has several abilities he does not show in the trailers. Outside of what we already know about (energy manip and projection, platform creations, shockwaves), he displays Telekinesis numerous times during the movie and is seen using it to completely immobilize Janet with a brief gesture from his fingers, which keeps her in a running position until he grabs her. He can also open portals of blue energy and produce forcefields. While trying to make Scott work for him, he threatens to kill Cassie and starts squeezing their suite to torture them (the camera outright shows the suits started to get crushed) and he even says to Scott he will kill Cassie in front of him then force him to relieve that moment over and over again for all eternity. He's also shown creating holographic images, as near the end of the movie he creates images of timelines and the whole Multiverse to Janet. Aside from that, he repeatedly shows he can see Ant-Man suit users even in their microscopic form, casually following and reacting to their movements, even at the same time when they try to gang up on him during the final battle or are flying away from large distances. His tech is linked to his mind so he can command it mentally and in a flashback where Janet discovers his plans, he generates his suit from drones. His time chair by the way enables him to travel to different timelines and dimensions.

About the Avengers statement, he gets another one during the battle, saying "Do you know how many Avengers I've killed?" and yes, repeats the one from the clip where he mentions Thor. So he's confirmed to have killed multiple versions of the Avengers, though how he did it is never outright explains but probably through tech. About that, his beams can desintegrate people (humans, aliens, others) on the spot for some and his shockwaves are powerful enough to do the same and blast large areas. He also release a powerful shot of energy that instantly repels Giant-Man while Scott was holding him and he casually overpowers him and Hope in their suit during their battle. He also breaks Scott's helmet with a kick and dominates him in a fist fight after his suit has been damaged so he doesn't have access to his tech anymore (speaking about Kang) and he takes several energy shots from Hope who do repel him but don't harm him.

Throughout the movie, Kang repeatedly states he does not see time in a linear manner. He explains he caused the multiversial war because he saw his Variants causing worlds colliding and incursions while trying to control time and claims he can see how everything will end and that if Scott doesn't help him, things will get disastrous, which one of the post-credit confirms as other Kang Variants decide the Avengers discovering the Multiverse is a danegr to their power and summon all their Variants (with the same tech as the TVA, time pads) to deal with that threat).
The more spectacular part comes from a flashback where Janet touches his time chair (she was helping him to repair it after he crashed into the Quantum Realm) and since the chair is connected to his mind, she sees within it and memories of what he has done. We're shown images of him killing tons of people, enslaving them but, more importantly, multiple worlds outright shown shattered and even images of timelines mixed with them (couldn't tell if they were intact or damaged in the whole thing) while Janet outright confirms she directly saw him destroying worlds and timelines. Once again, nothing is said about how he did it but probably with tech.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Just got out of the theater.

The movie was meh-ish to me. Not trash (the reviews in my country are catastrophic) and entertaining I guess but not memorable nor really good.

About feats and abilities, Cassie should get a profile. MODOK only has weapon manip, flight and energy projection, nothing too impressive. Naturally, the most interesting case is Kang.

For starters, he has several abilities he does not show in the trailers. Outside of what we already know about (energy manip and projection, platform creations, shockwaves), he displays Telekinesis numerous times during the movie and is seen using it to completely immobilize Janet with a brief gesture from his fingers, which keeps her in a running position until he grabs her. He can also open portals of blue energy and produce forcefields. While trying to make Scott work for him, he threatens to kill Cassie and starts squeezing their suite to torture them (the camera outright shows the suits started to get crushed) and he even says to Scott he will kill Cassie in front of him then force him to relieve that moment over and over again for all eternity. He's also shown creating holographic images, as near the end of the movie he creates images of timelines and the whole Multiverse to Janet. Aside from that, he repeatedly shows he can see Ant-Man suit users even in their microscopic form, casually following and reacting to their movements, even at the same time when they try to gang up on him during the final battle or are flying away from large distances. His tech is linked to his mind so he can command it mentally and in a flashback where Janet discovers his plans, he generates his suit from drones. His time chair by the way enables him to travel to different timelines and dimensions.

About the Avengers statement, he gets another one during the battle, saying "Do you know how many Avengers I've killed?" and yes, repeats the one from the clip where he mentions Thor. So he's confirmed to have killed multiple versions of the Avengers, though how he did it is never outright explains but probably through tech. About that, his beams can desintegrate people (humans, aliens, others) on the spot for some and his shockwaves are powerful enough to do the same and blast large areas. He also release a powerful shot of energy that instantly repels Giant-Man while Scott was holding him and he casually overpowers him and Hope in their suit during their battle. He also breaks Scott's helmet with a kick and dominates him in a fist fight after his suit has been damaged so he doesn't have access to his tech anymore (speaking about Kang) and he takes several energy shots from Hope who do repel him but don't harm him.

Throughout the movie, Kang repeatedly states he does not see time in a linear manner. He explains he caused the multiversial war because he saw his Variants causing worlds colliding and incursions while trying to control time and claims he can see how everything will end and that if Scott doesn't help him, things will get disastrous, which one of the post-credit confirms as other Kang Variants decide the Avengers discovering the Multiverse is a danegr to their power and summon all their Variants (with the same tech as the TVA, time pads) to deal with that threat).
The more spectacular part comes from a flashback where Janet touches his time chair (she was helping him to repair it after he crashed into the Quantum Realm) and since the chair is connected to his mind, she sees within it and memories of what he has done. We're shown images of him killing tons of people, enslaving them but, more importantly, multiple worlds outright shown shattered and even images of timelines mixed with them (couldn't tell if they were intact or damaged in the whole thing) while Janet outright confirms she directly saw him destroying worlds and timelines. Once again, nothing is said about how he did it but probably with tech.
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I skimmed your post. Anyways, it pretty much confirms Scott Lang is 4-C, let’s change the page now


In all seriousness, where do you think this movie sits amongst previous entries?
 
Lonkitt said:
In all seriousness, where do you think this movie sits amongst previous entries?
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Lower to the middle part of the ladder

It's FAR from being as bad as BW for example, much better than the second movie and I'd say it's better than Love & Thunder but it's never exceptional. Kang is really the best part.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Lower to the middle part of the ladder

It's FAR from being as bad as BW for example, much better than the second movie and I'd say it's better than Love & Thunder but it's never exceptional. Kang is really the best part.
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So he’s able to shatter time lines like trailer said?
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Mark 6 Iron Man has a 8-B calc for tanking part of a 7-C shockwave. Though the shockwave calc could use a higher pressure value since it's stated that the shockwave levelled a mountaintop as well
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Oh i didn't know about that, not sure how much pressure that would be but i guess i can try using the standard pressure for explosion calcs
 
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