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Because we know there’s an increase in power and there’s nothing Pre-L&T that would back up him being Tier 5-4
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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His new power comes from scaling to the other gods but how do you know fat Thor isn’t in that ballpark to
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The highest-rated possible interpertation of phase 3 characters peaks is High 6-A and even that's heavily contended against
And counterpoint to you how do you know that he IS in that same ballpark?
And counterpoint to you how do you know that he IS in that same ballpark?
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Why tho that doesn’t make any since
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Nothing supports him being as strong as those Gods prior to L&T
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Why not?
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Because Phase 3 characters aren't even tier 5 to begin with?
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how could it the other gods weren’t even introduced until the next phase
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5-C via scaling from the Hadron Enforcer,
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That doesn’t support your argument
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forget about that yeah that was stated to shatter moons yet rocker still needed a Thanos killing weapon like storm breaker to beat thanos
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But how does them being introduced in the next phase mean they are so much stronger then him
I don’t see the logic why losing weight suddenly makes him grow from country-large planet especially when there isn’t any evidence in the first place
like other characters have been introduced in early phases like eson but scales way higher now that we know more about celestials
so whe
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With this logic, I guess Phase 1-2 Thor is as strong as his awakened self
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Its not about him being introducted in the next phase its about him TRAINING to get stronger which in fiction can justify insane increases
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The Gods being that powerful doesn’t exactly create narrative plot holes. It’s not as if the Gods were out here struggling with the Tier 6 threats that guys like Thor had to fight against. So in terms of being much stronger than him even prior to L&T, there’s seriously not an issue
Also we’re not saying that him losing weight instantly made him that strong. Keep in mind, Thor got out of shape not long before he awakened, went on to reach a new peak during Endgame, and then had a training arc in L&T
The potential for him to reach greater heights isn’t that hard to believe
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ok but the only reason we know thor is large planet is scaling from other gods yeah he got stronger but why assume fat Thor is that much weaker and he didn’t scale or downscale from them
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I feel like we’ve explained this like ten times already
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You're ignoring the fact that Thor had a whole training arc during L&T
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It pretty much comes down to this:
-We can’t say Thor was always comparable to the Gods, since there’s no justification and the fact that he had an Awakening contradicts this
-No feats prior to L&T justify him downscaling Tier 5-4 feats
-In Endgame, Thor’s out of shape yet at his peak in power by the end of the movie. L&T Thor has a whole training arc, becoming fit and becoming far stronger than before
-Training arc boosts in fiction do this kind of stuff all the time
-We can’t say Thor was always comparable to the Gods, since there’s no justification and the fact that he had an Awakening contradicts this
-No feats prior to L&T justify him downscaling Tier 5-4 feats
-In Endgame, Thor’s out of shape yet at his peak in power by the end of the movie. L&T Thor has a whole training arc, becoming fit and becoming far stronger than before
-Training arc boosts in fiction do this kind of stuff all the time
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not all training arc are equal just saying because another character can grow that much doesn’t mean everyone can
we know he got stronger but nowhere is it implied to be this big and we’ve seen what his workout was to
and this using logic this how come any other time he’s goten stronger he didn’t grow this much?
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No argued this at all? Thor trained and his scaling shows he had such an increase
Why would he when he has no feats and scaling on this level?
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I never said all are equal. Just that fiction isn’t always going to submit to more realistic growths in power
It’s a God performing an exaggerated workout, we literally cannot use that to measure how much stronger he would’ve gotten in real life lmao
Because he’s never really trained like this? Thor isn’t Goku, he doesn’t spend every waking moment bettering his strength over the course of the series
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Unless fat Thor has some feats or statements that imply his near L&T Thor then he an’t downscaling
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fat thor can’t have the feats or scaling because the stuff he scales weren’t introduced until next phase but why do we assume fat Thor caps out at country and wouldn’t scale to or downscale from other gods like khonsu or Zeus
just because he got stronger stronger with no stated amount on how many times he got stronger
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And there's nothing that suggests that Thor was always stronger than the Egyptian gods either.
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"They couldn't have had those feats at the time" =/= "They should definitely scale"
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That litterly doesn’t matter, if he is as strong as your trying to claim then he wouldn’t have gotten clapped by a country lvl character
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Maybe I found a solution to the High 6-B cap due to Surtur dying from the destruction of Asgard. Both the observatory and the Rainbow Bridge are conduits of energy that power and channel the Bifrost, whose source of energy is the center of Asgard. Therefore, Surtur not only died by the destruction of Asgard, but also by the energy that was used to power the Bifrost, which can release High 6-A amounts of energy per second
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I mean this would make sense
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I noticed that to, though I was also gonna mention asgard being unaffected by the wormhole in Thor 1 and it having earth like gravity. So maybe the destruction of asgard is uncalcabale or something
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The wormhole was caused by the Bifrost, which means that the center of Asgard has enough energy to create them
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Oh I know, I brought up the wormhole cause it was sucking in stars and stuff by asgard was just chilling
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I guess we'd still need a usable feat above 6-B for characters on Awakened Thor's level if we are to make use of increasing the cap on the destruction of Asgard.
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The cap would then be high 6-A which we can try to restructure into better arguments
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It would actually be higher than that I think, since High 6-A is just the energy the Bifrost can release each second
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Also, Hela is stated to be Odin's most powerful weapon, so Hela > Bifrost
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Oh and about the P&As on the Eye of Agamotto page, adding Time Stop is unnecessary if it's manipulating time as a whole which include that. So just time manipulation because usually Time Stop is treated as a singular ability if the shown ability can only stop time and not exactly manipulate it as a whole.
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