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We have no idea how exactly she killed a Strange for that to work, so I'd say no on that part
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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Hellbeast
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That’s why I say interesting
But yeah I’d call her Unknown with solid hax (like boiling your brain on a molecular level)
What I’m more interested in; do we use this film to rescale certain characters. Blade fights on par with Azazel and we see Electra disarm DP while also fighting a bunch of other characters
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She did refer to that variant of Strange as an "Amateur Magician", said that she "wore his skin around for four days", and she knows how to properly use a Sling Ring when compared to Ned.
So most probably she incapacitated that Strange with her TK, read his mind (might be the reason she can claim he was an Amateur Magician and can properly use the Sling Ring), then removed his skin.
This probably means that variant of Strange was still in training for him to be called an amateur by Cassandra
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Some help thanks
Elena vs Killmonger (grace)
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Killmonger matchup
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Deadpool was caught by surprise and he didn't attempt to fight back. Cameos are shocking, I know.
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She just has to have higher TK LS relative to most Stranges' LS in order to incapacitate them, and most Stranges' are physical power houses
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The hunter vs genius billionaire playboy philanthropist
It's combat applicable if the offending thing violates what people think is normal and should exist; T-rex? Pushing it but could be explained. A walking skeleton, unbelievable, violation of the Consensus and thus causes significant painful Paradox backlashes to the offending person. Shooting...
Okay so the match was originally a WOD match but since it was getting to nowhere I changed it to a Mcu one. Would like you guys thoughts on it thanks
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I'm pissed if that's true. It would have been perfect.
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Interestingly, statements from VFX supervisor Matt Aitken make it sound like Wanda's power grew significantly within the minutes (from her perspective) between Vision's death in Infinity War and her confrontation with Thanos in Endgame (Rage Power?):
"But the real challenge was in creating Scarlet Witch’s magic power. Scarlet Witch takes her powers to the next level in Endgame. For Wanda, it is only five minutes since Thanos killed the love of her life, Vision, and so she is seething with anger. Since she first appeared in the MCU, Scarlet Witch has been developing her powers and in Endgame she becomes powerful enough to triumph over Thanos, stripping the armor right off him, until he retaliates by ordering his H-Ship to strafe the battlefield."
"She's understanding it more, and she's able to use it to an even greater effect," Aitken tells us. "And that sort of really comes to a head in the end battle in Endgame where she's really kind of deadly to Thanos. She's able to really take control."
"And always keeping in mind that, while it was definitely way more amped up than we'd previously seen it, it still had to be recognizably the same kind of magic power that we'd seen from Scarlet Witch in previous films."
"But the real challenge was in creating Scarlet Witch’s magic power. Scarlet Witch takes her powers to the next level in Endgame. For Wanda, it is only five minutes since Thanos killed the love of her life, Vision, and so she is seething with anger. Since she first appeared in the MCU, Scarlet Witch has been developing her powers and in Endgame she becomes powerful enough to triumph over Thanos, stripping the armor right off him, until he retaliates by ordering his H-Ship to strafe the battlefield."
"She's understanding it more, and she's able to use it to an even greater effect," Aitken tells us. "And that sort of really comes to a head in the end battle in Endgame where she's really kind of deadly to Thanos. She's able to really take control."
"And always keeping in mind that, while it was definitely way more amped up than we'd previously seen it, it still had to be recognizably the same kind of magic power that we'd seen from Scarlet Witch in previous films."
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Wasn't that always the case with Wanda that her powers get more powerful depending on her mental state? Think of the final battle in AoU, where initially she was having trouble with Ultron Sentries due to doubting and blaming herself, then after Clint gave her a pep talk, she was easily dealing with them, then later Ultron.
Same thing in IW & EG, she was emotionally distressed in IW due to killing Vision, then determined and vengeful in EG due to Thanos killing Vision
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With how much her emotions seem to effect her powers, I feel like an argument could be made that Wanda's AP could be treated similarly to how we currently treat Captain Marvel's AP.
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That was a discussion that most if not everyone overlooked, IIRC on the basis that "We should only Index Wanda's Magic AP at its most powerful in her profile so as not to make her profile clogged up", and when questioned on "Wouldn't this confuse other forum users who aren't familiar with the intricacies of Wanda's profile", the opposition replied "We would just explain why so and so doesn't scale in the threads"
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Lacku
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Pretty odd justification ngl at the very least if that was agreed on why wouldn't they put a note on Wanda's profile explaining this?
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IIRC back then they probably didn't know how to or didn't bother, same as how back then we didn't have references nor planned to put references for the profiles. IIRC that's how far back the discussions regarding Wanda's Magic AP ratings were
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IIRC She-Hulk was the first or one of the first MCU profiles to have references, then the rest followed afterwards and others had references added
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Yeah tbf profiles have got a lot better. Still Wanda's page should get reworked sometime.
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On the topic of Wanda, isn’t she stated to be the strongest Avenger during IW and EG or did I just make that up in my head? If that is a thing then should her magic scale to Stormbreaker?
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Is the Temporal Loom bigger than the Multiverse in MCU?
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that’s not even how it works Stormbreaker isn’t an avenger it’s a weapon she has no scaling to the weapon nobody does as of right now
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I mean Stormbreaker is a weapon Thor always has on him. How can Wanda be the strongest Avenger when her magic is thousands of times weaker than Thor’s primary, always accessible weapon? Not to mention Thor already has way better physicals than her as well, so he clears her in every stat.
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And? Thor doesn’t scale to Stormbreaker lol she can’t be the strongest avenger because she isn’t that was only during endgame and pre L&T she has no scaling to prime Thor she has no scaling to the ultimate weapon the greatest weapon ever made
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If the Watcher exists outside time and space, shouldn't this be Immeasurable Speed?
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I somehow haven't gotten notified for this thread since July. What did I miss?
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I’m talking about Endgame Wanda here. I’m not saying she should be 5-A (Thor wasn’t even 5-A when MoM cane out), just that she could arguably be 5-C. Also I never said Thor scales to Stormbreaker???
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Btw to bring back the Iron Spider discussion from a couple months back, hypothetically where would he scale if the Doc Ock fight was ignored? The reason I ask is because iirc the suit used against Doc Ock is a different suit made by Peter instead of Tony, so there’s potentially a genuine reason to ignore the Doc Ock fight for the original Iron Spider’s scaling.
First off I think he would definitely be Relativistic speed, since the only fight he’s in that doesn’t have good reasons to ignore is ironically the Thanos fight. For AP there’s the moment where he kicks Thanos a bunch of times, which imo shouldn’t actually scale the Iron Spider to Thanos but could maybe be used to scale him to Hulk or something? There’s also the statements about the Iron Spider being particularly advanced or powerful, but I don’t remember what those statements actually are.
First off I think he would definitely be Relativistic speed, since the only fight he’s in that doesn’t have good reasons to ignore is ironically the Thanos fight. For AP there’s the moment where he kicks Thanos a bunch of times, which imo shouldn’t actually scale the Iron Spider to Thanos but could maybe be used to scale him to Hulk or something? There’s also the statements about the Iron Spider being particularly advanced or powerful, but I don’t remember what those statements actually are.
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This is the statement from the No Way Home artbook that confirms the Iron Spider suit in that movie is supposed to be a new one:
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I'd just scale him below IW Tony and call it a day since he has weird feats in the movie even before getting the Iron Spider, but I ignore that fight with him and Cull for obvious reasons.
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In Endgame, Peter with the Iron Spider wrestled Cull Obsidian's arm from stabbing Tony
It seems to me that the first one has no reason not to be rated that high
Also, I still don't understand why Peter and those who scale to him aren't rated as relativistic. He keeps the box away from Strange, Goblin snatches the box from Strange, and the Lizard tagged Strange and was described by him to be a slippery opponent
It seems to me that the first one has no reason not to be rated that high
Also, I still don't understand why Peter and those who scale to him aren't rated as relativistic. He keeps the box away from Strange, Goblin snatches the box from Strange, and the Lizard tagged Strange and was described by him to be a slippery opponent
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Because it's not consistent, considering how he still gets tagged by other street levelers?
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Plus I don't think street tier should even scale to the more developed Spider-Man considering how much he ends up being nimble around people way above his power class
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Shit, Captain America has competes with an early Spider-Man in LS yet obviously doesn't scale to the value that he does on his profile, which reflects his showing in NWH
Why should that be any different for his speed?
Why should that be any different for his speed?
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Cap does have an unevaluated LS calculation from last year that could get him to Class M if it ever gets accepted.
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Everyone in their mom gets tagged by street tiers my guy nothing in the mcu is consistent especially speed logically 90% of the people in the mcu shouldn’t be that fast narratively but they are because the plot of this guy scales to this who scales that who scales this creating massive scaling chains
Unless your a speedster like quicksilver or something your feats are going to chain scale to someone in the mcu cause they can’t have a movie if everyone is a statue
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Not an excuse for circular scaling.
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This is the list of high tier scaling for spidey
Spidey caught a jump slam from cull movie and comic version
This says spidey saved tony
Spidey snatches a Taxi mid air thrown by cull then tosses it back at cull with the novel saying it dazed/stunned cull giving them time to breathe
Spidey overpowered and stopped cull strike on endgame tony meaning in 2 separate films spidey shown relativity to cull possibly making it consistent
I don’t have this next part but the Russo bros stated that spidey webs in infinity are upgraded stark tech
Spidey webs withstand a blast from the power stone this blast was missiles fired from the mark 50 absorbed into the power stone and shot back as a concentrated beam the same blast ragdolled the mark 50
Russos stated in an interview that one of their favorite things about spidey is he’s deceptively strong and almost as strong as the hulk
The iron spider is implied to have vibranium and if it’s it’s similar to black panther tech then possible scaling to BP suit which took a blind sided hit from thanos sword in endgame
Tony worked on the mark 50 and the iron spider at the exact same time Tony built the suit with intentions of a father son relationship and that the suit was to protect Peter from dangerous threats which if that was his goal why would he make a fodder tier building level suit for him he gave pepper the rescue armor which scales so why would he be like pepper strong suit but the person he sees as a son building level suit make no sense or no
Iron spider is stated to scale to the mark 50
Ock damages the iron spider/nano tech which has possible vibranium in it as shown above
The writers of NWH revealed that the original plan was to have electro gain the mark 50 arc reactor this show’s writer intent that the mark 50 wouldn’t be to much to handle for the spiders meaning they believe spiders are that strong or in the same range
They way I see it spidey has much more feats statements and narrative intent then many many many characters on this site a ton of characters do 1 feat and they automatically become that tier like carol never been star level before she did it 1 time and now she’s that tier spidey does it numerous times with statements to back him up
Spidey caught a jump slam from cull movie and comic version
This says spidey saved tony
Spidey snatches a Taxi mid air thrown by cull then tosses it back at cull with the novel saying it dazed/stunned cull giving them time to breathe
Spidey overpowered and stopped cull strike on endgame tony meaning in 2 separate films spidey shown relativity to cull possibly making it consistent
I don’t have this next part but the Russo bros stated that spidey webs in infinity are upgraded stark tech
Spidey webs withstand a blast from the power stone this blast was missiles fired from the mark 50 absorbed into the power stone and shot back as a concentrated beam the same blast ragdolled the mark 50
Russos stated in an interview that one of their favorite things about spidey is he’s deceptively strong and almost as strong as the hulk
The iron spider is implied to have vibranium and if it’s it’s similar to black panther tech then possible scaling to BP suit which took a blind sided hit from thanos sword in endgame
Tony worked on the mark 50 and the iron spider at the exact same time Tony built the suit with intentions of a father son relationship and that the suit was to protect Peter from dangerous threats which if that was his goal why would he make a fodder tier building level suit for him he gave pepper the rescue armor which scales so why would he be like pepper strong suit but the person he sees as a son building level suit make no sense or no
Iron spider is stated to scale to the mark 50
Ock damages the iron spider/nano tech which has possible vibranium in it as shown above
The writers of NWH revealed that the original plan was to have electro gain the mark 50 arc reactor this show’s writer intent that the mark 50 wouldn’t be to much to handle for the spiders meaning they believe spiders are that strong or in the same range
They way I see it spidey has much more feats statements and narrative intent then many many many characters on this site a ton of characters do 1 feat and they automatically become that tier like carol never been star level before she did it 1 time and now she’s that tier spidey does it numerous times with statements to back him up
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Didn’t understand the point it means you have no argument you have no debunk you can’t go muh he gets tagged those are just feats for the people who tagged him cause even the fastest characters in mcu still get tagged by street tiers that’s just how it works meaning if it’s consistent for the people tagging him they scale
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Is this not just an unused concept though since we never see that alluded to or shown in the actual movie.This is the statement from the No Way Home artbook that confirms the Iron Spider suit in that movie is supposed to be a new one:
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wtf is this kamen rider beltThis is the statement from the No Way Home artbook that confirms the Iron Spider suit in that movie is supposed to be a new one:
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