MCU Lifting Strength - Class 100, Class K and Class M

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Class 100 and Class K​

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The first calc is accepted at Class 100 while the second calc is accepted at Class K. The former is consistent with Spider-Man's Class 100 feat. This upgrades the lifting strength of Super Soldier-tiers (Captain America, Winter Soldier, John Walker, etc.)

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Class M​

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This calc is accepted and can be added to Hulk's profile to further support Class M

 

[Popted2]

agree with op

 

[Excellence616]

Agree

 

[KLOL506]

First one doesn't work because log-splitting was already deemed by other official sources to be Class 10 range.

John Walker's feat is just a massive outlier.

I disagree with the upgrades.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

First one doesn't work because log-splitting was already deemed by other official sources to be Class 10 range.

This was stated in the beginning of the calc

Using a log splitter as reference is just... bad, they are simply not good comparisons to make, it's essentialy sheer strength vs tensile strength

• Sheer strength is cutting an object (Log splitters push a log onto a fine point to split it)
• Tensile strength is pulling an object (Steve ripping apart logs with his bare hands)

 

[KLOL506]

This was stated in the beginning of the calc

Even with this being taken into account, the calc is still incorrect. The actual area affected would be this:

(Diameter of the log in meters x Height of the Log in meters) x Tensile Strength in Pascal

 

[Dalesean027]

That's my bad then for not looking deeper into the source and method

 

[KLOL506]

There is... another issue.

The log seems to have a hole in the top, which might've helped with the split. Not sure by how much, but maybe a significant margin.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

First one doesn't work because log-splitting was already deemed by other official sources to be Class 10 range.

John Walker's feat is just a massive outlier.

I disagree with the upgrades.

This was stated in the beginning of the calc

Even with this being taken into account, the calc is still incorrect. The actual area affected would be this:

(Diameter of the log in meters x Height of the Log in meters) x Tensile Strength in Pascal

That's my bad then for not looking deeper into the source and method

There is... another issue.

The log seems to have a hole in the top, which might've helped with the split. Not sure by how much, but maybe a significant margin.

If you guys are looking for LS upgrades for Cap then look no further than this scene from The Winter Soldier

It's a legit straight up LS feat with the potential for Class 50 or even 100 IMO

 

[Dinobot1996]

I thought that feat was considered too difficult to accurately calc.

 

[KLOL506]

If you guys are looking for LS upgrades for Cap then look no further than this scene from The Winter Soldier

It's a legit straight up LS feat with the potential for Class 50 or even 100 IMO

Yeah no, that was already rejected countless times even before my arrival.

Cap only lifted a tiny bit of it, only way its full mass would scale to him is if he lifted the entire thing and flipped it to the other side.

 

[Dalesean027]

The Hulk and She hulk stuff is solid at least

 

[KLOL506]

Okay so I tried to measure the hole.

There is only good news. It only decreases the calc by a tiny bit, but it's still high-end Class K.

Unfortunately, this now enters outlier territory.

 

[Yusuf21259]

@MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer
I know it's irrelevant, but something just popped into my head. While trying to erase everyone's minds on Doctor Strange Nwh, did he create a pocket dimension there, or was it space-time manipulation?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

@MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer
I know it's irrelevant, but something just popped into my head. While trying to erase everyone's minds on Doctor Strange Nwh, did he create a pocket dimension there, or was it space-time manipulation?

This is derailing from the purpose of this CRT. Discuss this somewhere else

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Okay so I tried to measure the hole.

There is only good news. It only decreases the calc by a tiny bit, but it's still high-end Class K.

Unfortunately, this now enters outlier territory.

Can you share the calc when possible?

 

[Dinobot1996]

It should be noted that it looks like it was the 7449378 Newtons, 759365.74kg or 759.36 ton mid-end of the John Walker calc that was accepted, so I guess that means both of the Class K feats are high-end.

 

[Dalesean027]

It should be noted that it looks like it was the 7449378 Newtons, 759365.74kg or 759.36 ton mid-end of the John Walker calc that was accepted, so I guess that means both of the Class K feats are high-end.

Its an outlier it seems

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Its an outlier it seems

There's also Spidey's Class 100 feat from Civil War, which Cap should scale to

At the very least, Hulk's Class M feat should be added to his profile

If Class K doesn't get accepted, Cap's log ripping feat still needs to be removed/replaced since using a log splitter as reference is apparently inaccurate…?

 

[KLOL506]

Can you share the calc when possible?

I will try later.

 

[Qawsedf234]

John Walker's feat is just a massive outlier.

It's misrepresentEd in the calc. What he did was tear away the joints connecting the wings to the backpack rather than tear apart the wings them. The only thing you could get from tearing is fine the volume of the joint he ripped.

Even then joints are notorious for being weak points due to how you can leverage them.

 

[KLOL506]

It's misrepresentEd in the calc. What he did was tear away the joints connecting the wings to the backpack rather than tear apart the wings them. The only thing you could get from tearing is fine the volume of the joint he ripped.

I keep forgetting, I think I calculated the volume of the joint he ripped, it was pretty low but still.

Even then joints are notorious for being weak points due to how you can leverage them.

Wasn't there a way to account for it using sin or whatever? I saw Spino use it on a chain pulling feat for Jessica Jones.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wasn't there a way to account for it using sin or whatever?

Yeah, since you can calculate how much material is at the leverage point that they would need to break. You can also do things with the angle of the force but I'm not sure how to do that.

 

[KLOL506]

Cap tearin' dat ass coming up.

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[Aguywhodoesthings]

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[Jason_Courne]

John didn't rip off the joints, you can actually see he ripped through the wings, so the calculation is fine to use

The combination of Cap's own feat, John Walker's feat, and Spider-Man's feat, make Class K consistent and not an outlier

 

[KLOL506]

John didn't rip off the joints, you can actually see he ripped through the wings, so the calculation is fine to use

Yes he did, if you go a bit further into the video you can see the wiring coming out with the connecting points.

That and he did it at an angle, which would nerf the feat quite a bit.

The combination of Cap's own feat, John Walker's feat, and Spider-Man's feat, make Class K consistent and not an outlier

Spidey's Class K calc does not scale to his base self, it's his maximum peak which he struggled immensely with and completely failed to get control over after he hit his head on the bell.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Cap tearin' dat ass coming up.

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God it feels so wrong to get Class K via ripping a log that small

But whatever, tensile strength calcs often turn out that way anyway

I do have a question though

Would him going with the grain significantly affect how much force is needed to rip the log?

Ripping vs. Cross-Cutting Explained – workshoppist.com

This article is about Saws but it highlights the point I'm trying to make

Idn if there's a way to account for that but I just wanted to bring that up

 

[KLOL506]

God it feels so wrong to get Class K via ripping a log that small

But whatever, tensile strength calcs often turn out that way anyway

I do have a question though

Would him going with the grain significantly affect how much force is needed to rip the log?

Ripping vs. Cross-Cutting Explained – workshoppist.com

This article is about Saws but it highlights the point I'm trying to make

Idn if there's a way to account for that but I just wanted to bring that up

This ultimately turns into shear strength if we're talking about saws being involved, so until then, nah. No way to find out for tensile strength ATM.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Yes he did, if you go a bit further into the video you can see the wiring coming out with the connecting points.

Alright I just did my own rough calculation of tearing apart the wings at the joints and I only got Class 25-100 LS

Spidey's Class K calc does not scale to his base self

I meant his Class 100 feats

 

[KLOL506]

Alright I just did my own rough calculation of tearing apart the wings at the joints and I only got Class 25-100 LS

Prolly somewhere around that ballpark I'd reckon.

I meant his Class 100 feats

Ah.

 

[Qawsedf234]

God it feels so wrong to get Class K via ripping a log that small

Well tbf, it's probably simplfied to the point of being higher than actual. Since as soon as the log begins to split it causes a cascading failure and force is concentrated in a small area.

But it happened pretty fast so the initial energy would have to be pretty high. I guess you can argue it's more AP than LS due to the short timespan but that itself seems like a can of worms.

Overall casual Class K Cap doesn't make to much sense imo.

 

[Dinobot1996]

If Class K is too much of an outlier to use (which it's very much looking like at this point), I feel like we should either just scale Cap to Spider-Man's Class 100 feat, or get a more accurate and exact calc for tearing Falcon's wings at the joints (which might be Class 100 anyway)

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

or get a more accurate and exact calc for tearing Falcon's wings at the joints (which might be Class 100 anyway)

@Jason_Courne made his calc

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[Propellus]

If Class K is too much of an outlier to use (which it's very much looking like at this point), I feel like we should either just scale Cap to Spider-Man's Class 100 feat, or get a more accurate and exact calc for tearing Falcon's wings at the joints (which might be Class 100 anyway)

In fact, why didn't we scale Cap's LS to Spidey's in the first place?

 

[Dinobot1996]

@Jason_Courne made his calc

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Alright, that's good. I'm not sure which end would be best to go with. Also, unless I missed it, doesn't the area need to be doubled to account for both wings being torn off?

In fact, why didn't we scale Cap's LS to Spidey's in the first place?

Good question, I always did find that a bit odd.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

@Jason_Courne made his calc

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So @KLOL506 recommends military grade steel. Not sure whether that upgrades or downgrades the calc

 

[KLOL506]

According to this, ultimate tensile strength is 1207 MPa. Upgrade, but not by much.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Alright I just updated the calculation with the Military grade end steel and adding both hands

Results are now Class 50 to Class K, with military grade steel being ~81 tons of force (Class 100)

 

[Dalesean027]

It looks good