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But shouldn't it be a passive amp? Since Ronan has no way to control the Power Stone with his hammer and was still empowered by it
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MCU: High 6-A/5-C Upgrades
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The stones are only active if they're glowing. This is consistent through all of the movies.
The only time the Power Stone glows in the IG is when someone closes their fist or snaps. When Thanos dropped it into his hand it was glowing and you could see energy coursing through his veins.
The only time he had a physical stat amp with the Power Stone was when it was in his skin. All he did with that amp was one shot Carol and then immediately remove it from his skin.
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What are the current arguments? I'm kinda lost as to why we're discussing how the stone works
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The stone is coming from the 5-C scaling. If the stone is passive then it goes Cannon -> Ronan -> Thanos when he gets the Power Stone -> Captain Marvel tier characters.
The issue is that the stone isn't a passive amp for Thanos and the one time he used it he one-shot Carol. So the scaling doesn't work like that.
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Somehow the last part got mixed up, I was quoting Rot.
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Yeah lol he literally knocked her out the entire rest of the movie but ig since she survived it that's the argument
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I don't think we scale people like that for superhero stuff. Since low tier characters will be hit by a stronger one all the time and just not die, but will be knocked out.
It's just a genre thing. If not then Spider-Man and everyone who scales to him would also need to become Tier 6.
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I also posted statements of Ronan being the strongest in the universe with the power stone, so no one can scale to it.
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Also, on to my claim about the Hadron enforcer, no, it shouldn't be moon level because its real power output contradicts the statement.
Statements can be used when there is no discrepancies between what is in the scene and is stated.
Attack Potency doesn't cover that with AoE fallacy because destructive capability.
Statements can be used when there is no discrepancies between what is in the scene and is stated.
Attack Potency doesn't cover that with AoE fallacy because destructive capability.
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Which was because of the tesseract, not really if anything she told the truth but left out other info such as Loki.
Considering they we’re already capable of seeing how much energy it was producing and came to the conclusion that it could wipe out the planet should be evidence of its tier in power
she’s lying by telling him they need him to track the tesseract which they needed? Agian they already clocked the energy it was producing before hand so I doubt it
What official scaling policy?
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Maria is saying that they can't the people of PEGASUS to a safe distance if the Tesseract explodes. That's not the same as wiping out the planet.
So she was lying to him nearly the entire time and made a story she thought he would believe to go with her.
As I said she was lying the entire time and Banner called her bluff later on. She's not a reliable narrator during that scene.
Nothing the Tesseract has done implies it can wipe out a planet. It's only these statements and only when they're taken out of the fuller context of the scene.
What If scales to Canon but Canon is not allowed to scale to What If unless you can prove that the characters should be identical like the Strange Supreme (important note; prove as in have major evidence and not just "well they don't look different").
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I’m mostly neutral atm (though Ronan having 5-C durability seems explicitly stated). A blog detailing why certain feats or scaling isn’t used would be useful if this doesn’t go.
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Eh fair enough
the only thing she lied to him about was that it was just him and her. Everything else was pretty much factual unless I’m forgetting something and banner was no help in finding the tesseract.
Ok dosen’t matter considering people already examined it’s energy before any statement was made on its power(in avengers)
um because they are, there just alt timelines putting old characters in new and diverse situations. The only time we see major differences is when there’s some kind of major amp like the stones or dark stranges simp training arc
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The entire situation was designed to try and get him to come with her to SHIELD. Her point of being there was to get Banner to come with them peacefully (and kidnap him if that didn't work). She said whatever she needed to in order to accomplish that goal. It's why I said she's an unreliable narrator.
The people who examined it didn't say that it was going to destroy the planet. They made nukes with it and in-context said the blast radius if not contained would kill everyone at PEGASUS because they wouldn't be able to get far enough away.
The two What If Carol's with the most feats come from universes with a vast amount of differences that have little to do with the Nexus event. Thanos for Infinity Ultron and basically everything to do with Asgard and its supporting cast for Party Thor. Its no just "one change and the rest was the same" its "the universe is already different but something notable also changed".
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Ya and track down the tesseract as stated. Ok that doesn’t change what she said. Not really, they needed banner to track the tesseract as stated by widow. If anything it seems like she just told him the truth but left out some important details to make things go smoother
no they said it had the energy to do it. Ya the one going on at the time, not it’s overall energy
I mean that’s the point of the nexus events being out of control. First they deviate from the main timeline creating a nexus timeline then it starts to create infinte variations of said nexus timeline. While the main nexus event might have been say tony slept on the wrong side of the bed, there can be other nexus timelines branching off of that with there own variations and still have the same main nexus event.
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All the stuff she said about the Tesseracts radiation emission and other info was true why would her first statement about it be false?
The only parts she lied about where about whether she and Bruce were alone.
Once again if that was the case she would have specified.
In this case I think were just gonna have to agree to disagree
Also the nukes and everything powered by the Tesseract is obviously not gonna be equal to the tesseract.
We don't give lightbulb's nuclear tier power just because their powered by nuclear energy
I really can't comment on this because I haven't watched any of the 'What If's" But if nothing is contradicted and this in cannon happens in a different but similar universe, Why can't it be used?
From what I understand Doctor Strange scales to his alternate reality counterpart
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Strange is a different case as the strange was quite literally exactly the same past the entire plot of the first doctor strange film with the only difference being Christine dying in thr car crash, they explicitly made it a case to show otherwise he was exact the same as sacred timeline strange with him having gone through the same doctor strange 1 plot in its entirety so that's why he scales
What if scaling is a case by case basis and strange is about the only exception (he also fought his variants in Multiverse of Madness sooo
) bad example
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Because she was trying to get Banner to willingly go with her. Everything she said was a function of progressing that mission.
She didn't need to because her comment was a response to Fury's comment about how they should evacuate others. Context says she was talking about PEGASUS not the entire planet.
Because other What Ifs have showed radically different power levels for unchanged characters. Meaning that What If Carol could easily just be far superior to Canon Carol.
The one exception is Strange Supreme because we have plenty of direct evidence that says he's 1:1 with Canon Strange.
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Once again every other thing she said about the Tesseract was spot on. This is re-affirmed later as he never askes questions when confronted by Nick on the carrier.
Once again let's agree to disagree.
I don't see why this is so hard to accept considering in order to open dimensional gateways in the MCU you need High 6-A levels of energy.
The Tesseract has shown this ability in the Loki tv show and it uses the same type of portal it forms whenever it creates gateways to other parts of the main Universe
So we have
1. A direct statement telling how much energy is required to open wormholes in the MCU (High 6-A)
2. Another statement that the cube has enough energy to wipe the planet (High 6-A)
3. A Indirect statement referencing the Tesseracts power being large enough that there is no minimum safe distance. (High 6-A)
So even if you think the other two statements are bunk then you still have to refute the first one
Also I am sure I am missing a few as well as I recall there being more but I'm not about to go watch 18 movies for statements
Okay In that case it makes sense
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It pulled a good chunk of the surface of the Moon, so it is capable
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What other characters with radically different power levels are there? The only ones that come to mind are Ravager Thanos but that can be explained away as he was stopped early into his conquest and maybe wouldn't be as strong as he normally would be.
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No. As Qaws already said, What If scaling is a one-way street. What If characters only scale to their canon MCU counterparts, not the other way around.
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Also got this new statement
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Did you actually dm the writer about powerscaling? Really?
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Please just let these guys live their lives.
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It actually makes it unusable, since we have rules against badgering authors for battle boarding quotes.
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I'm pretty sure this can result in permaban but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he probably doesn't know the rules about WoG
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Where did you get this from?
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It can, but only after multiple instances. This would just be a temporary ban.
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it's from ms marvel i believe
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Ye, Miss Marvel
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Which is for interdimensional travel. Something I don't don't remember the Tesseract ever doing on its own.
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Hell, Loki doesn't open a portal with it, he just... teleports.
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I don't know if it's useful but the Space Stone allows teleportation into alternate dimensions
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Also like, the quote in the OP cuts off the very next dialogue piece which is the following:
Meaning that... you don't need the energy of the sun, because the margin of error is so large.
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That's from an ad for an Infinity Gauntlet toy/model. I don't think we should use statements from a toy/model to justify upgrades to a large chunk of the cast.
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