MCU General CRT⁷

[RoTt35]

Star-Lord

• Martial Arts (He is highly-skilled at hand-to-hand combat)
• Energy Projection and Electricity Manipulation with Quad Blasters

Korath

• Quantum Projection and Deconstruction with Disrupter Rifle (Fires quantum energy bolts that rips molecules apart)

Kaecilius

• Durability Negation (The Space-Time Shards can cut any physical substance)

Doctor Strange
Remove his resistances to Death's ability since his immortality comes from the Time Stone's loop

Surtur
A VFX article says that Surtur can brandish his sword at Mach 40 (High Hypersonic), I don't know if that could scale to his travel speed since the article talks about how Surtur moved in relation to his size

• Inorganic Physiology (Type 1: His body is composed of plasma, lava and fire)
• Heat Manipulation (Melted the arm of the Statue of Liberty)
• Resistance to Heat Manipulation and Fire Manipulation (Resides in Muspelheim, which is a Dyson sphere around a star coated in its residue, and lives on the energy that is coming out of the star)
• Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (Wisthood Thor's lightning shockwave. Unaffected by high voltage cables)
• Accelerated Growth with the Eternal Flame (Started at 800 metres tall and then grew to 4000 meters tall)
• Enhanced Heat Manipulation, Magma Manipulation and Earth Manipulation (His presence burned the Royal Palace and shook the bedrock of Asgard, causing fissures across its landscape)

Hulk

• Resistance to Heat Manipulation, Fire Manipulation and Plasma Manipulation (Unaffected by grabbing and punching Surtur, whose body is composed of plasma, lava and fire)

Gorr
Remove his resistances to Death's ability since his immortality comes from his Regeneration

• Magic and Corruption (His shadow magic corrupted Stormbreaker)

Thor, Jane Foster and Valkyrie

• Resistance to Darkness Manipulation, Magic and Corruption (Unaffected by Gorr's shadow magic, which corrupted Stormbreaker)
• Enhanced Resistance to Radiation Manipulation (Endured the full force of a neutron star for a few minutes, if not more) for Post-Awakening Thor

Frigga

• Astral Projection (Spoke to Loki across the universe)

Mjölnir

• Blessed (Odin placed various enchantments upon it)
• Statistics Amplification (Can magnify Thor's lightning abilities)
• Light Manipulation (Can glow in the Shadow Realm)
• Madness Manipulation (Like Stormbreaker, it can collapse the mind of beings who lack the strength to wield it into madness, causing catastrophic physical effects)
  • Note: This would only scale to the characters who are worthy of wielding Mjölnir or did so before its enchantment, so only the following characters would have Resistance to Madness Manipulation: Hela, Odin and Mighty Thor
• Reconstruction and Danmaku (Repaired itself when meeting with Jane Foster, being able to be separated into multiple fragments which can reassemble again)

Stormbreaker

• Statistics Amplification (Can magnify Thor's lightning abilities)

Mind Stone
Its durability should be "Unknown, at least High 6-B" since Scarlet Witch, who despite having a similar power signature to the Mind Stone, took a few minutes to destroy it. Dream Manipulation should be removed as the statement comes from the promotion of a toy

Soul Stone
Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation should be removed as the statement comes from the promotion of a toy

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Statistics Amplification (Can magnify Thor's abilities)

Statistics Amplification (Can magnify Thor's abilities)

From the wording of the statement, it should probably be specified that they magnify Thor's weather and lightning manipulating abilities, which is further stated in the Marvel Studios: Character Encyclopedia, but it's still alright

Everything else here is also good

 

[Excellence616]

I agree with Marvel_Champion

 

[Dinobot1996]

This looks good

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good.

 

[Lonkitt]

I'm on the same page as Marvel_Champion

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

A VFX article says that Surtur can brandish his sword at Mach 40 (High Hypersonic), I don't know if that could scale to his travel speed since the article talks about how Surtur moved in relation to his size

Forgot to say, brandishing his sword sounds like a combat speed feat, his travel speed probably stays as it is. Surtur moving in relation to his size can also refer to how fast he swings his sword

Note: This would only scale to the characters who are worthy of wielding Mjölnir or did so before its enchantment, so only the following characters would have Resistance to Madness Manipulation: Hela, Odin and Mighty Thor

I assume Pre-Awakening Thor would also have Resistance to Madness Manipulation, since he wielded Mjolnir before it received the worthiness enchantment by Odin?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

• Enhanced Heat Manipulation, Magma Manipulation and Earth Manipulation (His presence burned the Royal Palace and shook the bedrock of Asgard, causing fissures across its landscape)

That isn't really magma manipulation or earth manipulation as much as it's him generating enough heat and force to spilt Asgard and heat it to a molten state with his already existing heat manipulation and explosive size growth

Disagree with this part

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

• Inorganic Physiology (Type 1: His body is composed of plasma, lava and fire)

This is just referencing the stuff the VFX artist used in reference to craft Surtur's body, not that he actually is made of those things

Especially when the script below mentions that he is both flesh and fire

Hulk

• Resistance to Heat Manipulation, Fire Manipulation and Plasma Manipulation (Unaffected by grabbing and punching Surtur, whose body is composed of plasma, lava and fire)

This would in turn remove Hulk's resistance to Plasma manipulation

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

That isn't really magma manipulation or earth manipulation as much as it's him generating enough heat and force to spilt Asgard and heat it to a molten state with his already existing heat manipulation and explosive size growth

Disagree with this part

This is just referencing the stuff the VFX artist used in reference to craft Surtur's body, not that he actually is made of those things

Especially when the script below mentions that he is both flesh and fire

This would in turn remove Hulk's resistance to Plasma manipulation

Makes sense

 

[Dereck03]

• Durability Negation (The Space-Time Shards can cut any physical substance)

Why is this Durability Negation and not simple spatial manipulation? If we take into account the nature of spatial manipulation it is obvious that it can cut any physical stuffs.

• Resistance to Heat Manipulation and Fire Manipulation (Resides in Muspelheim, which is a Dyson sphere around a star coated in its residue, and lives on the energy that is coming out of the star)

This should also include Radiation Manipulation.

These are the only things I can question, as for the rest I share Marvel_Champion_07's opinion.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Bump

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I'm on the same page as Marvel_Champion

Just to clarify, what do you think about these new points?

Forgot to say, brandishing his sword sounds like a combat speed feat, his travel speed probably stays as it is. Surtur moving in relation to his size can also refer to how fast he swings his sword

I assume Pre-Awakening Thor would also have Resistance to Madness Manipulation, since he wielded Mjolnir before it received the worthiness enchantment by Odin?

That isn't really magma manipulation or earth manipulation as much as it's him generating enough heat and force to spilt Asgard and heat it to a molten state with his already existing heat manipulation and explosive size growth

Disagree with this part

This is just referencing the stuff the VFX artist used in reference to craft Surtur's body, not that he actually is made of those things

Especially when the script below mentions that he is both flesh and fire

This would in turn remove Hulk's resistance to Plasma manipulation

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Overall agree with the others. Most of the stuff looks alright.

From the wording of the statement, it should probably be specified that they magnify Thor's weather and lightning manipulating abilities, which is further stated in the Marvel Studios: Character Encyclopedia, but it's still alright

Forgot to say, brandishing his sword sounds like a combat speed feat, his travel speed probably stays as it is. Surtur moving in relation to his size can also refer to how fast he swings his sword

Agree

This is just referencing the stuff the VFX artist used in reference to craft Surtur's body, not that he actually is made of those things

Especially when the script below mentions that he is both flesh and fire

This would in turn remove Hulk's resistance to Plasma manipulation

I'm neutral on this but seems like a fair point.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Why was this applied already?

Were still neutral on the Inorganic Physiology part of this CRT

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Also a few of the changes werent even discussed in this CRT such as changing Hela's speed ratings

 

[RoTt35]

Why was this applied already?

Were still neutral on the Inorganic Physiology part of this CRT

I removed the plasma part since it was just a reference as you said, but the VFX article still states that his body has a lava surface, and the script states that his flesh is made of fire

Also a few of the changes werent even discussed in this CRT such as changing Hela's speed ratings

That's from a previous CRT

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I removed the plasma part since it was just a reference as you said, but the VFX article still states that his body has a lava surface, and the script states that his flesh is made of fire

We're, or at least I am, disagreeing with using the VFX article for justifications since it was only references they used to crafts Surturs body

Which leaves us with the script which states his FLESH is made of fire, no indication on whether his entire body is made of fire and considering they say flesh makes that assumption unlikely

Point is you applied the changes from this CRT before they were finalized and everyone agreed

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Same boat as Griffin atm

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I think there's enough staff input to apply most of the changes. It's just Surtur's Inorganic Physiology that's kinda controversial

 

[Dereck03]

Why is this Durability Negation and not simple spatial manipulation? If we take into account the nature of spatial manipulation it is obvious that it can cut any physical stuffs.

Nobody has answered me this.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Why is this Durability Negation and not simple spatial manipulation? If we take into account the nature of spatial manipulation it is obvious that it can cut any physical stuffs.

Kaecilius already has Limited Space-Time Manipulation via the Space Shards, so if that's the case, the feat can just be added under his P&A justification

 

[Dereck03]

Okay, but durability negation is not a thing, since the feat is spatial manip.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Kaecilius already has Limited Space-Time Manipulation via the Space Shards, so if that's the case, the feat can just be added under his P&A justification

What about doing something like this? I've seen another profile with Spatial Manip done like this.

Attack Potency: Street level physically (Broke through a wall and threw Doctor Strange through display cases.[4] An incredibly skilled martial artist[1] who casually decapitated a man with a blade at such an angle which would almost be impossible for even peak humans to replicate in real life[4]), higher with Conjured Weaponry, Building level+ with Magic. Can ignore durability with Space-Time Shards.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Also weren't the Conjured Weaponry (Strange vs the Zealots) and Tao Mandala Shields/Fans (Ancient One vs Zealots/Kaecilius) capable of blocking said Space-Time Shards?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

What about doing something like this? I've seen another profile with Spatial Manip done like this.

Attack Potency: Street level physically (Broke through a wall and threw Doctor Strange through display cases.[4] An incredibly skilled martial artist[1] who casually decapitated a man with a blade at such an angle which would almost be impossible for even peak humans to replicate in real life[4]), higher with Conjured Weaponry, Building level+ with Magic. Can ignore durability with Space-Time Shards.

Sure

Also weren't the Conjured Weaponry (Strange vs the Zealots) and Tao Mandala Shields/Fans (Ancient One vs Zealots/Kaecilius) capable of blocking said Space-Time Shards?

They're more magical conjurations than physical substances

 

[Dereck03]

What about doing something like this? I've seen another profile with Spatial Manip done like this.

Attack Potency: Street level physically (Broke through a wall and threw Doctor Strange through display cases.[4] An incredibly skilled martial artist[1] who casually decapitated a man with a blade at such an angle which would almost be impossible for even peak humans to replicate in real life[4]), higher with Conjured Weaponry, Building level+ with Magic. Can ignore durability with Space-Time Shards.

In Yami's case it is clearer because it is said that he directly ignores the amount of magic power of the opponent, and this in BC indicates total superiority including physical and resistance. We are not going to put "Ignore durability via X hax" everywhere, it would be the same as saying, ignore durability via EE or Cm.

And the scan here proves that it can only cut through any physical substance, and if for example magic or any non-physical power is used to defend yourself then this feat would be invalid.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I guess Durability Negation for Kaecilius is rejected.

The only thing left to decide is Surtur's Inorganic Physiology?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I guess Durability Negation for Kaecilius is rejected.

The only thing left to decide is Surtur's Inorganic Physiology?

I'm mixed on the feeling since we dont have direct confirmation however we see when Hela pierces Surturs chest that the inside seems to be lava however it could also just be his own special type of blood though the first interpretation seems to be the intent

The script agrees stating his flesh is made of fire however like I said above I'm against Plasma being used based on the VFX statements

It all comes down to what your interpret it as but the clear intentions seems to be that he's not made of normal flesh

So I'm for inorganic physiology

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I'm mixed on the feeling since we dont have direct confirmation however we see when Hela pierces Surturs chest that the inside seems to be lava however it could also just be his own special type of blood though the first interpretation seems to be the intent

The script agrees stating his flesh is made of fire however like I said above I'm against Plasma being used based on the VFX statements

It all comes down to what your interpret it as but the clear intentions seems to be that he's not made of normal flesh

So I'm for inorganic physiology

If you're alright with it, then there's nothing left for this CRT and it can be closed

 

[Dereck03]

If you're alright with it, then there's nothing left for this CRT and it can be closed

If the changes are applied then i'll close this.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

If the changes are applied then i'll close this.

Yup, they are