[MCU] All I Want For Christmas is Post-Awakening 5-A Upgrade

[Lacku]

It's been forever since I've made a CRT or even been as involved as I used to be in this wiki but I've been meaning to make this totally not controversial upgrade thread forever so here it is just in time for the holidays

Despite being a big upgrade this is actually fairly straightforward. The main piece of evidence for 5-A Post-Awakening MCU is Thanos tanking the power surge from the Infinity Gauntlet which was stated by Rocket to be of "ridiculously cosmic proportions." Even adding that "no one's seen anything like it." I feel like this almost goes without saying but Rocket is obviously an extremely reliable source of information who knows what he's talking about. Being at least comparable to, if not smarter than the likes of Bruce Banner and Tony Stark. Additionally, the megaton value that is shown in the clip was continuously rising and hadn't stopped by the time Rocket moved on to the next power surge, so it isn't locked in that range. There being a megaton value at all also confirms that the surge was indeed destructive and did a quantifiable amount of damage to Thanos.

On to what this coming from Rocket's own mouth suggests, what first comes to mind is this power surge bare minimum upscaling his own Hadron Enforcer, which is accepted to be able to blow up moons. However, another cosmic event Rocket witnessed in Guardians Vol. 1 that is where the 5-A scaling comes from is actually Eson the Searcher wiping out a planet with the Power Stone. He witnesses this with his own eyes and even still casually states that the power surge is of ridiculous proportions the likes of which, at the very least, he's never seen before. This world wipe was calculated to be in the 16 yottaton range and will be, if this thread is accepted, what Post-Awakening tiers will now scale to.

To my knowledge this new scaling shouldn't contradict anything or cause any issues, with it actually fitting in nicely with some of the higher-tier characters that have come in Phase 4. For example, Thor's gigantic jump in power in Love & Thunder is actually far more believable with this new value as he was now always within that tier. Same with Captain Marvel, whose peak will now be much closer to her base strength.

For most profiles this'll be a pretty simple addition but there are some different cases. Iron Man's Mark 50-85 will be able to go up to 79.426513086 yottatons through his absorption, which can go up to 475%. Scarlet Witch in her Endgame key and onwards will also be scaling to and then upscaling that value as well. Like I said before I've not been keeping up with this wiki much recently, especially on the MCU side of things so there may be a lot of holes in this CRT that I haven't considered but if not I'll probably need some help applying this since it's a really big undertaking. Any help would be appreciated

Agree: Raincutter, ThanatosX, Emerald, Yokoahh5743, FentyBeauty, Qawsedf234, LordTracer, ActuallySpaceMan42, Dalesean027

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I thought the power stone would be H6A, since it destroys natural resources and all life on the planet crust. If 5-A is indeed accepted, I wouldn't mind it, as it would make sense in some cases, such as why Thanos uses his sword to block iron man beam. with lightning from mjolnir and stormbreaker And Captain Marvel who didn't die by the power stone punch

 

[darkphantom9805]

I thought the power stone would be H6A, since it destroys natural resources and all life on the planet crust. If 5-A is indeed accepted, I wouldn't mind it, as it would make sense in some cases, such as why Thanos uses his sword to block iron man beam. with lightning from mjolnir and stormbreaker And Captain Marvel who didn't die by the power stone punch

I mean there are multiple ways to get the avengers this strong mjolnir is stated to be more powerful then rocket creations rocket can create moon-planet destroying weapons hela crushed mjolnir awakend Thor was able to injure hela etc

 

[Lacku]

I mean there are multiple ways to get the avengers this strong mjolnir is stated to be more powerful then rocket creations rocket can create moon-planet destroying weapons hela crushed mjolnir awakend Thor was able to injure hela etc

Do wanna clarify in this CRT I'm only upgrading Post-Awakening characters. Mjolnir being 5-C isn't something I'm doing here.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Do wanna clarify in this CRT I'm only upgrading Post-Awakening characters. Mjolnir being 5-C isn't something I'm doing here.

Literally only post awakened characters would scale to that tier

 

[Dinobot1996]

This probably adds more consistency to Odin considering an Awakened Thor to be stronger than him, which an article on the Marvel website from 2020 seems to side with:

As a note, I assume Surtur is meant to get stronger the larger he grows, as the Thor Ragnarok script points out that he steadily grows larger over the course of his rampage on Asgard, and is described as having reached "extinction level scale" by the time he one-shots Hela:

 

[Raincutter]

I agree. Thanos and the likes should be able to tank weaponry Rocket that can just casually scrounge up

 

[darkphantom9805]

Rocket weapons were stated to level planets meaning they scale massively above this

 

[Lacku]

I agree. Thanos and the likes should be able to tank weaponry Rocket that can just casually scrounge up

Counted

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Wanna see how this plays out

 

[Hellbeast]

This probably adds more consistency to Odin considering an Awakened Thor to be stronger than him, which an article on the Marvel website from 2020 seems to side with:

As a note, I assume Surtur is meant to get stronger the larger he grows, as the Thor Ragnarok script points out that he steadily grows larger over the course of his rampage on Asgard, and is described as having reached "extinction level scale" by the time he one-shots Hela:

Worth noting that I’m pretty sure Odin is stated to have resorted to BFR/Hax with Hela and Surtr which implies they also upscale whatever planetary shit Odin gets.

Since Odin claimed Thor is > himself and he’s able to temporarily knock out Hela, there does seem to be more support for Thor > Odin To a limited degree. It’s also worth noting Hela could harm Surtur with her larger Necroblades and while she got oneshot by his final blast, that also seemingly killed Surtur

Rocket weapons were stated to level planets meaning they scale massively above this

I personally read Levelling as more surface wiping but I do concede that’s very subjective

The first definition here does suggest flattening something for what it’s worth

 

[ThanatosX]

I have kinda lost interest in the MCU and as such haven't kept up with the most recent CRTs, but after thinking about it for a bit, I think I will agree with this.
With the Hadron Enforcer being said to destroy moons and the above scan of Rockt being able to create planet-leveling weapons, there is a pattern for his weapon being moon/planet busting, so the energetic output of the Snap would be superior than that. Rocket is also incredibly smart (GotG Vol. 3 goes in depth about how smart he is), so there is no reason to assume that his statement isn't reliable. And the fact that he have seen a 5-A destructive event in the recordings of the Collector and still safely said that the Snap was a energetica surge of proportions never seen before makes the Snap scaling higher than Eson's feat pretty solid to me.
This would also fix the several scaling issues that the current profiles have. The issues I am referring would be: the fact that a full power Surtur, who scales to at Least High 6-A, possible 5-B was unable to destroy the container of the Tesseract (What if Season 2, the episode with Kahorri, given that the only difference here is that Surtur simply succeded in his destruction of Asgard there is no reason to assume he is thousands of times weaker than his main variant) yet Thanos did it effortlessly with one hand; the fact that Thanos took an attack of the Stormbreaker (currently rated as 5-C) straight to the chest and survived, which is a pretty big problem if he just have a High 6-B given that with that AP difference his body should have been completely annihilated on impact, yet he was still alive and I still haven't seen a believable justification for that in the profiles tbh; the massive jumps in strenghts that happens with Thor Love&Thunder, given that it is impossible that him training for a period of time gives him a bigger power jump than him unlocking his full powers; Carol jumping from High 6-B to Low 4-C simply by being confident enough, which is really strange to me and it would be much more believable if she jumped from 5-A to Low 4-C; Awakened Thor generally scaling lower than full power Odin, despite him stating directly that Thor is stronger than him. And there might be several more scaling problems I am missing.
So yeah, overall I would say that this scaling is fine for me and I think it would help in fixing several problems I personally have with the current scaling of the characters.

 

[Lacku]

I have kinda lost interest in the MCU and as such haven't kept up with the most recent CRTs, but after thinking about it for a bit, I think I will agree with this.
With the Hadron Enforcer being said to destroy moons and the above scan of Rockt being able to create planet-leveling weapons, there is a pattern for his weapon being moon/planet busting, so the energetic output of the Snap would be superior than that. Rocket is also incredibly smart (GotG Vol. 3 goes in depth about how smart he is), so there is no reason to assume that his statement isn't reliable. And the fact that he have seen a 5-A destructive event in the recordings of the Collector and still safely said that the Snap was a energetica surge of proportions never seen before makes the Snap scaling higher than Eson's feat pretty solid to me.
This would also fix the several scaling issues that the current profiles have. The issues I am referring would be: the fact that a full power Surtur, who scales to at Least High 6-A, possible 5-B was unable to destroy the container of the Tesseract (What if Season 2, the episode with Kahorri, given that the only difference here is that Surtur simply succeded in his destruction of Asgard there is no reason to assume he is thousands of times weaker than his main variant) yet Thanos did it effortlessly with one hand; the fact that Thanos took an attack of the Stormbreaker (currently rated as 5-C) straight to the chest and survived, which is a pretty big problem if he just have a High 6-B given that with that AP difference his body should have been completely annihilated on impact, yet he was still alive and I still haven't seen a believable justification for that in the profiles tbh; the massive jumps in strenghts that happens with Thor Love&Thunder, given that it is impossible that him training for a period of time gives him a bigger power jump than him unlocking his full powers; Carol jumping from High 6-B to Low 4-C simply by being confident enough, which is really strange to me and it would be much more believable if she jumped from 5-A to Low 4-C; Awakened Thor generally scaling lower than full power Odin, despite him stating directly that Thor is stronger than him. And there might be several more scaling problems I am missing.
So yeah, overall I would say that this scaling is fine for me and I think it would help in fixing several problems I personally have with the current scaling of the characters.

Counted

 

[Emerald]

I agree

 

[Lacku]

I agree

Counted

 

[Yokoahh5743]

I have kinda lost interest in the MCU and as such haven't kept up with the most recent CRTs, but after thinking about it for a bit, I think I will agree with this.
With the Hadron Enforcer being said to destroy moons and the above scan of Rockt being able to create planet-leveling weapons, there is a pattern for his weapon being moon/planet busting, so the energetic output of the Snap would be superior than that. Rocket is also incredibly smart (GotG Vol. 3 goes in depth about how smart he is), so there is no reason to assume that his statement isn't reliable. And the fact that he have seen a 5-A destructive event in the recordings of the Collector and still safely said that the Snap was a energetica surge of proportions never seen before makes the Snap scaling higher than Eson's feat pretty solid to me.
This would also fix the several scaling issues that the current profiles have. The issues I am referring would be: the fact that a full power Surtur, who scales to at Least High 6-A, possible 5-B was unable to destroy the container of the Tesseract (What if Season 2, the episode with Kahorri, given that the only difference here is that Surtur simply succeded in his destruction of Asgard there is no reason to assume he is thousands of times weaker than his main variant) yet Thanos did it effortlessly with one hand; the fact that Thanos took an attack of the Stormbreaker (currently rated as 5-C) straight to the chest and survived, which is a pretty big problem if he just have a High 6-B given that with that AP difference his body should have been completely annihilated on impact, yet he was still alive and I still haven't seen a believable justification for that in the profiles tbh; the massive jumps in strenghts that happens with Thor Love&Thunder, given that it is impossible that him training for a period of time gives him a bigger power jump than him unlocking his full powers; Carol jumping from High 6-B to Low 4-C simply by being confident enough, which is really strange to me and it would be much more believable if she jumped from 5-A to Low 4-C; Awakened Thor generally scaling lower than full power Odin, despite him stating directly that Thor is stronger than him. And there might be several more scaling problems I am missing.
So yeah, overall I would say that this scaling is fine for me and I think it would help in fixing several problems I personally have with the current scaling of the characters.

Make sense, agree

 

[Lacku]

Make sense, agree

Counted

 

[darkphantom9805]

Sadly it doesn’t matter how many people agree mods don’t come to mcu threads to actually implement the crt there’s so many active crt that haven’t been implemented yet because Lack of mods

 

[FentyBeauty]

agreed-

 

[Lacku]

agreed-

Counted

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Maybe we should post CRT to staff profiles so they can come here

 

[Lacku]

Maybe we should post CRT to staff profiles so they can come here

Giving that a try now

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Giving that a try now

I suggest you post it to this staff profile. ActuallySpaceMan42, Qawsedf234, AbaddonTheDisappointment

 

[Dalesean027]

@Qawsedf234 @AbaddonTheDisappointment @ActuallySpaceMan42

 

[Lacku]

@Qawsedf234 @AbaddonTheDisappointment @ActuallySpaceMan42

Thanks boss

 

[Qawsedf234]

Thanos crippled his arm from the energy surge of the snap. So while I agree with the scaling I think they'd more downscale from it than upscale from it imo.

But either way, sure, I guess anyone who can harm Thanos gets a 5-A bump.

 

[LordTracer]

Upgrade seems alright to me. It’s also worth noting that the Marvel Website’s page for Captain Marvel states that Thanos had to channel all of the Power Stone’s might to overpower her, which could be more support.

Thanos crippled his arm from the energy surge of the snap. So while I agree with the scaling I think they'd more downscale from it than upscale from it imo.

But either way, sure, I guess anyone who can harm Thanos gets a 5-A bump.

Tbf it kinda even out since Thanos is downscaling from the power surge, which would already be upscaling from the 5-A feat.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Thanos crippled his arm from the energy surge of the snap. So while I agree with the scaling I think they'd more downscale from it than upscale from it imo.

But either way, sure, I guess anyone who can harm Thanos gets a 5-A bump.

Rocket states nobody has ever seen anything like it it means the minimum tier they would be scaling above is far below the one that crippled his arm as the surge was far beyond anything he’s ever encountered

That’s counts as an upscale not a downscale because if rocket knowledge of power is x50 the surge was x100 Thanos durability is say x85 he can still be injured by something yet upscale from the initial minimum x50 at the same time

 

[Dinobot1996]

He was left with some burns on his arm, but Thanos was still able to use the Gauntlet fine after the first snap. It was the second snap (which he used to destroy the Infinity Stones) that left him near death and with an outright crippled arm.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

This went much better than expected. But don't jinx it, there is 1 staff left
DCEU being "likely 5-B" doesn't seem so impressive now

 

[darkphantom9805]

He was left with some burns on his arm, but Thanos was still able to use the Gauntlet fine after the first snap. It was the second snap (which he used to destroy the Infinity Stones) that left him near death and with an outright crippled arm.

He also had an axe buried in his chest and was so exhausted that he could barley speak yet performed the snap with little reaction

Only destroying the stones is what badly injured him to where he could barley walk etc

 

[Isaacbobanka]

can this be used aswell?

its from a guide book of what i remeber

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Seems simple enough.

 

[RoTt35]

can this be used aswell?

its from a guide book of what i remeber

Nah, it's from a toy advertisement and its statements were discarded a while ago

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Nah, it's from a toy advertisement and its statements were discarded a while ago

But isn't that quite consistant as the watcher himself said in what if that the mind stone has infinite power

and the aether could destroy the universe alone which would requere alot if energy

the mind stone alone is unparralel to its destruction which should scale it above any weapon besides infinity stones

 

[darkphantom9805]

Nah, it's from a toy advertisement and its statements were discarded a while ago

My guy it doesn’t matter what it’s from and it isn’t discarded this very site literally has the stones that powerful look at ultron tier Wanda etc they have not only stated by the watcher and in the series it’s but it has feats of such statements

 

[Dalesean027]

I suppose I agree here as well given all the new evidence for this

 

[RoTt35]

My guy it doesn’t matter what it’s from and it isn’t discarded this very site literally has the stones that powerful look at ultron tier Wanda etc they have not only stated by the watcher and in the series it’s but it has feats of such statements

I'm only talking about the toy statement, and it was discarded in this CRT

 

[Raincutter]

But isn't that quite consistant as the watcher himself said in what if that the mind stone has infinite power

and the aether could destroy the universe alone which would requere alot if energy

the mind stone alone is unparralel to its destruction which should scale it above any weapon besides infinity stones

Stones have a lot of inf power statements or at least stuff that would get them above their current ratings

 

[Lacku]

Thanos crippled his arm from the energy surge of the snap. So while I agree with the scaling I think they'd more downscale from it than upscale from it imo.

But either way, sure, I guess anyone who can harm Thanos gets a 5-A bump.

Upgrade seems alright to me. It’s also worth noting that the Marvel Website’s page for Captain Marvel states that Thanos had to channel all of the Power Stone’s might to overpower her, which could be more support.

Tbf it kinda even out since Thanos is downscaling from the power surge, which would already be upscaling from the 5-A feat.

Seems simple enough.

I suppose I agree here as well given all the new evidence for this

All counted and that's grace