Match#4 - Mash v Max

[AnAverageUsername]

His amps come in the form of speed amps, which as said earlier, let him throw over 6,000 or 60,000 punches, whatever it was, in a near instant against someone who had just amped themselves. The closest you could get to an AP amp would be Unlimited Hammer, though it's just Mash hitting harder I guess.

Also, Mash can adapt pretty fast himself, as shown in these recent chapters, but eh, those are recent chapters which i think haven't been noted on his profile.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

In that case Max can dodge or use clones to damage Marsh, plus most armor's necks are shielded or too thick for normal strangling.

Mash was able to choke someone with diamond skin more than 10 times his attack potency and durability. And he can deal with clones through extra sensory perception

By the way, how is Max able to match with Mash's analytical predication?

 

[Imouto-tan]

What difference? the ap is almost the same(78 vs 71), both have amps to keep up the game, if marsh can use high 6-B amps, in that case why can't max use his low 5-B amps?

no 5-B amps plz

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mash was able to choke someone with diamond skin more than 10 times his attack potency and durability. And he can deal with clones through extra sensory perception

Funny, a guy made of a miner molecularly harder than diamond can barely affected him via a constant burst at a weaker Max

the clones are real and have the same ap so ESP is a bit useless.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Funny, a guy made of a miner molecularly harder than diamond can barely affected him via a constant burst at a weaker Max

I really don't understand exactly what you mean. And certainty that it is not 10 times more durable than the attack potency.

the clones are real and have the same ap so ESP is a bit useless

How are they used? How exactly are they created and activated? Or better yet, how have they already been defeated?

Mash is skilled enough to fight and defeat Knights for 10 hours without rest that are on a level far above him and are considered impossible to defeat with each possessing a different magical property , and yet he manages to stay in the fight constantly. And also, in these same battles he evolves and surpasses them.

 

[Arkenis]

How are they used? How exactly are they created and activated? Or better yet, how have they already been defeated?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

That was the first time Max used it, he improved it enough to use it in another mode at the same time.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Time stamp

 

[Arkenis]

Well Mash's instinctive reaction beats Max being able to go invisible. The clones probably also wont be much considering his instinctive reaction.

 

[Arkenis]

Time stamp

19:05

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Meh, Mash has already managed to defeat characters who are on a level immensely above him with a variety of magic powers, including undetectable and invisible attacks

 

[Imouto-tan]

bump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

so Max's only advantage is to burn mash or Destroy mash's eardrums with turbo sonic flight mode

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

so Max's only advantage is to burn mash or Destroy mash's eardrums with turbo sonic flight mode

Thats it?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Thats it?

that or try to overwhelm him with clones, which according to what they say, mash skill will allow him to surpass

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

How good Max skill? That might help him here

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

How good Max skill? That might help him here

I'll answer this when I'm on my pc, to put scans and stuff, currently I'm on my phone

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

so Max's only advantage is to burn mash or Destroy mash's eardrums with turbo sonic flight mode

For now. Mash is gaining heat resistance.


Yesterday and today I had test, so I didn't comment. But I will elaborate an argument later.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mash is gaining heat resistance

at what level? Max heat convert carbon to diamond (4,500°C)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

at what level? Max heat convert carbon to diamond (4,500°C)

27700 C

 

[speedster352]

27700 C

It's not enough then heat is a win-con

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

27700 C

Lightning heat?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Lightning heat?

Yeah

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Yeah

That's why the thread you made.

well it's time to scale Max's heat above Air Elementor's lightnings

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Alright

This "Max could break free by releasing an energy pulse that push back a Low 5-B" thing is wrong, especially in this situation. If Max moved a Low 5-B by sheer force of his energy that would mean that he is a Low 5-B as well, but in the case here it doesn't seem to work that way, and therefore it is a matter of LS and not AP/Durability (Same logic as Doffy [One Piece] defeating 6-B characters through pure LS). So following such logic it is impossible for Max to escape from a choke thanks to the simple fact that Mash has an LS more than 1 billion times greater. Furthermore, the choke doesn't allow the opponent to know when the attack happened or to be able to defend himself thanks to the illusions created, the illusions even make the opponent think he has won while in reality is almost """"dying"""". Now, if you say that a choke will be impossible thanks to Max's armor, know that the same attack worked on Cell War while using the Diamond skin, which he considered unbreakable and in his mind was shown that not even his own attacks could hurt such skin. It should be noted that base Cell War is comparable to Mash, and at this moment he was using his Third Line, which currently scales far above from spells that multiply magic power by 5 to 10 times; Therefore, Mash is able to defeat in less than a second opponents that are 10 times his level.

Speed Amplifiers are not something that will really give Max victory instantly. Mash has dealt with characters who are massively above his speed, such as Abyss, who has a speed comparable to a teleport and has hypersonic+ calculations. It should be noted that at this point Mash scales to 62m/s, making the speed difference 91.8032450337 times. However this is not the end, at some point Abyss causes Mash to have his movements limited to slow motion, while Abyss's speed is increased, making the speed difference at last 5691 times if you consider Mash to be moving at 1m/s (Which is generous, since it takes him two pages to finish a punch); Now, Max will indeed hit Mash with several punches, but that will not defeat him, as he has taken much more damage than that and kept on fighting. Mash will at some point calculate the momentum of the moves and then limit Max.

About the clones I still want to know more specifically how they are used, since I am sure there is an original Max. But in any case, I will simply say that Mash will destroy each clone through skill and stamina. Since well, Mash is able to defeat the Knights of Meliadoul up to level 10 while fighting non-stop for 4 days. The level 1 knight created by Meliadoul is considered to be on one level above Mash, so it is impossible for him to win against the knight under any circumstances being able to defeat a higher level only if he evolves. And yet we can see that Mash can fight on par against higher levels even though they are immensely stronger, use weapons, and possess varieties of magical powers such as invisibility. In addition, it should be noted that Mash is considered physically above wizards, and therefore scales above the likes of Dot and Lance, who must survive for a week without sleep or rest while being constantly attacked. This logic would also apply to Meliadoul's dicipals, who fight for 1 month to defeat 10 knights, and that if they follow the same scheme as Mash these wizards fought for 10 months (Since there are 100 knights) with a rest of only a few minutes after each 10 knights; Such skills are insane, and I doubt some clones with much lower skill and variety will be able to do anything against Mash, who in addition is able to evolve immensely during the fight. And even if you guys say that the clones will not be defeated, then Mash will simply keep fighting until Max gets tired.

Max also has the weakness that he takes a few seconds to transform, which is really a problem here. Mash can sense the danger of things, and canonically by pure instinct knew that Margarette had some kind of transformation, and therefore attacked her without stopping before she activated such a power. So well, if Max tries to change form Mash will simply attack him

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Wincons

• Stealth
• Skill
• Stamina
• AP
  • Scaling Chain: Unlimited Mode > casual Unlimited Mode > Domina being amplified by the Wand of Beginnings > Domina's Thirds (Thirds are considered a power beyond anything magic users can ever hope to achieve, "The Ultimate Magic") > Domina's Third Line (previously had been able to easily obliterate Mash physically) >= Mash's Bracelets limit (Capable of hurt Domina in his Third Line form) > casual Mash > Domina's Secondth = At least 80/78 Teratons
• LS
• Accelerated Development
• Pain Tolerance
• Extrasensory Perception
• Analytical Prediction
• Amplifiers (Which can be activated quickly)
• Can use the Unlimited Mode which makes him strong enough to basically humiliate opponents that were much stronger than him
• Instinctive Reaction
• Agility and mobility
• Post-image creation

I can't see Max winning this, even ignoring Mash's heat resistance

 

[speedster352]

Alright

This "Max could break free by releasing an energy pulse that push back a Low 5-B" thing, especially in this situation. If Max moved a Low 5-B by sheer force of his energy that would mean that he is a Low 5-B as well, but in the case here it doesn't seem to work that way, and therefore it is a matter of LS and not AP/Durability (Same logic as Doffy [One Piece] defeating 6-B characters through pure LS). So following such logic it is impossible for Max to escape from a choke thanks to the simple fact that Mash has an LS more than 1 billion times greater. Furthermore, the choke doesn't allow the opponent to know when the attack happened or to be able to defend himself thanks to the illusions created, the illusions even make the opponent think he has won while in reality he is almost """"dying"""". Now, if you say that a choke will be impossible thanks to Max's armor, know that the same attack worked on Cell War while using the Diamond skin, which he considered unbreakable and in his mind was shown that not even his own attacks could hurt a such skin. It should be noted that base Cell War is comparable to Mash, and at this moment he was using his Third Line, which currently scales far above from spells that multiply magic power by 5 to 10 times; Therefore, Mash is able to defeat in less than a second opponents that are 10 times his level.

Speed Amplifiers are not something that will really give Max victory instantly. Mash has dealt with characters who are massively above his speed, such as Abyss, who has a speed comparable to a teleport and has hypersonic+ calculations. It should be noted that at this point Mash scales to 62m/s, making the speed difference 91.8032450337 times. However this is not the end, at some point Abyss causes Mash to have his movements limited to slow, while Abyss's speed is increased, making the speed difference at very last 5691 times if you consider Mash to be moving at 1m/s (Which is generous, since it takes him two pages to finish a punch); Now, Max will indeed hit Mash with several punches, but that will not defeat him, as he has taken much more damage than that and kept on fighting, until he can calculate the momentum of the moves and then limit Max.

About the clones I still want to know more specifically how they are used, since I am sure there is an original Max. But in any case, I will simply say that Mash will destroy each clone through skill and stamina. Since well, Mash is able to defeat the Knights of Meliadoul up to level 10 while fighting non-stop for 4 days. The level 1 knight created by Meliadoul is considered to be on one level above Mash, so it is impossible for him to win against the knight under any circumstances. And yet we can see that Mash can fight on par against higher levels even though they are immensely stronger, use weapons, and possess varieties of magical powers such as invisibility. In addition, it should be noted that Mash is considered physically above wizards, and therefore scales above the likes of Dot and Lance, who must survive for a week without sleep or rest while being constantly attacked. This would also apply to Meliadoul's dicipals, who fight for 1 month to defeat 10 knights, and that if they follow the same scheme as Mash these wizards fought for 10 months (Since there are 100 knights) with a rest of only a few minutes after each 10 knights; Such skills are insane, and I doubt some clones with much lower skill and variety will be able to do anything against Mash, who in addition is able to evolve immensely during the fight. And even if you guys say that the clones will not be defeated, then Mash will simply keep fighting until Max gets tired.

Max also has the weakness that he takes a few seconds to transform, which is really a problem here. Mash can sense the danger of things, and canonically by pure instinct knew that Margarette had some kind of transformation, and therefore attacked her without stopping before she activated such a power. So well, if Max tries to change form Mash will simply attack him until he is unconscious or even nearly dead

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Wincons

• Stealth
• Skill
• Stamina
• AP
  • Scaling Chain: Unlimited Mode > casual Unlimited Mode > Domina being amplified by the Wand of Beginnings > Domina's Thirds (Thirds are considered a power beyond anything magic users can ever hope to achieve, "The Ultimate Magic") > Domina's Third Line (previously had been able to easily obliterate Mash physically) >= Mash's Bracelets limit (Capable of hurt Domina in his Third Line form) > casual Mash > Domina's Secondth = At very least 80/78 Teratons
• LS
• Accelerated Development
• Pain Tolerance
• Extrasensory Perception
• Analytical Prediction
• Amplifiers (Which can be activated quickly)
• Can use the Unlimited Mode which makes him strong enough to basically humiliate opponents that were much stronger than him
• Instinctive Reaction
• Agility and mobility
• Post-image creation

I can't see Max winning this, even ignoring Mash's heat resistance

Max heat is way hotter than lightning it turn carbon to diamond

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Neutral leaning towards to Mash, but i'll wait for oliver's response

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

it turn carbon to diamond

Mash's resistance is above this

By the way, that doesn't even cover 2% of my argument

 

[speedster352]

Mash's resistance is above this

By the way, that doesn't even cover 2% of my argument

I thought oliver said something about Max heat being above elementar lightning?

 

[Imouto-tan]

I'm staying neutral but I'm feeling like I am going to vote Mash

 

[speedster352]

I'm staying neutral but I'm feeling like I am going to vote Mash

Let's wait for oliver

 

[AnAverageUsername]

so Max's only advantage is to burn mash or Destroy mash's eardrums with turbo sonic flight mode

Mash's eardrums were already popped by sound once

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Mash's eardrums were already popped by sound once

So he doesn't have eardrums anymore?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

So he doesn't have eardrums anymore?

he just recovered two seconds later

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So he doesn't have eardrums anymore?

Nah, it was basically no problem for him.

 

[Imouto-tan]

Nah, it was basically no problem for him.

Heh

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Alright

This "Max could break free by releasing an energy pulse that push back a Low 5-B" thing is wrong, especially in this situation. If Max moved a Low 5-B by sheer force of his energy that would mean that he is a Low 5-B as well, but in the case here it doesn't seem to work that way, and therefore it is a matter of LS and not AP/Durability (Same logic as Doffy [One Piece] defeating 6-B characters through pure LS). So following such logic it is impossible for Max to escape from a choke thanks to the simple fact that Mash has an LS more than 1 billion times greater. Furthermore, the choke doesn't allow the opponent to know when the attack happened or to be able to defend himself thanks to the illusions created, the illusions even make the opponent think he has won while in reality is almost """"dying"""". Now, if you say that a choke will be impossible thanks to Max's armor, know that the same attack worked on Cell War while using the Diamond skin, which he considered unbreakable and in his mind was shown that not even his own attacks could hurt such skin. It should be noted that base Cell War is comparable to Mash, and at this moment he was using his Third Line, which currently scales far above from spells that multiply magic power by 5 to 10 times; Therefore, Mash is able to defeat in less than a second opponents that are 10 times his level.

Speed Amplifiers are not something that will really give Max victory instantly. Mash has dealt with characters who are massively above his speed, such as Abyss, who has a speed comparable to a teleport and has hypersonic+ calculations. It should be noted that at this point Mash scales to 62m/s, making the speed difference 91.8032450337 times. However this is not the end, at some point Abyss causes Mash to have his movements limited to slow motion, while Abyss's speed is increased, making the speed difference at last 5691 times if you consider Mash to be moving at 1m/s (Which is generous, since it takes him two pages to finish a punch); Now, Max will indeed hit Mash with several punches, but that will not defeat him, as he has taken much more damage than that and kept on fighting. Mash will at some point calculate the momentum of the moves and then limit Max.

About the clones I still want to know more specifically how they are used, since I am sure there is an original Max. But in any case, I will simply say that Mash will destroy each clone through skill and stamina. Since well, Mash is able to defeat the Knights of Meliadoul up to level 10 while fighting non-stop for 4 days. The level 1 knight created by Meliadoul is considered to be on one level above Mash, so it is impossible for him to win against the knight under any circumstances. And yet we can see that Mash can fight on par against higher levels even though they are immensely stronger, use weapons, and possess varieties of magical powers such as invisibility. In addition, it should be noted that Mash is considered physically above wizards, and therefore scales above the likes of Dot and Lance, who must survive for a week without sleep or rest while being constantly attacked. This logic would also apply to Meliadoul's dicipals, who fight for 1 month to defeat 10 knights, and that if they follow the same scheme as Mash these wizards fought for 10 months (Since there are 100 knights) with a rest of only a few minutes after each 10 knights; Such skills are insane, and I doubt some clones with much lower skill and variety will be able to do anything against Mash, who in addition is able to evolve immensely during the fight. And even if you guys say that the clones will not be defeated, then Mash will simply keep fighting until Max gets tired.

Max also has the weakness that he takes a few seconds to transform, which is really a problem here. Mash can sense the danger of things, and canonically by pure instinct knew that Margarette had some kind of transformation, and therefore attacked her without stopping before she activated such a power. So well, if Max tries to change form Mash will simply attack him

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Wincons

• Stealth
• Skill
• Stamina
• AP
  • Scaling Chain: Unlimited Mode > casual Unlimited Mode > Domina being amplified by the Wand of Beginnings > Domina's Thirds (Thirds are considered a power beyond anything magic users can ever hope to achieve, "The Ultimate Magic") > Domina's Third Line (previously had been able to easily obliterate Mash physically) >= Mash's Bracelets limit (Capable of hurt Domina in his Third Line form) > casual Mash > Domina's Secondth = At least 80/78 Teratons
• LS
• Accelerated Development
• Pain Tolerance
• Extrasensory Perception
• Analytical Prediction
• Amplifiers (Which can be activated quickly)
• Can use the Unlimited Mode which makes him strong enough to basically humiliate opponents that were much stronger than him
• Instinctive Reaction
• Agility and mobility
• Post-image creation

I can't see Max winning this, even ignoring Mash's heat resistance

You can count my vote for Mash btw

 

[Imouto-tan]

You can count my vote for Mash btw

So 1 for Mash?

 

[Kachon123]

Mash FRA

 

[speedster352]

At least wait for Oliver to counter