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Intentionally or not you've been, because your evidence is comparison of both in destruction force.I never mentioned DC.
I've been talking about AP since the beginning.
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Intentionally or not you've been, because your evidence is comparison of both in destruction force.I never mentioned DC.
I've been talking about AP since the beginning.
1. It's much more reasonable to assume that Kuma became stronger than Paul over time rather than assume that Paul got significantly weaker.Stronger my ass, Paul before tekken 4 had no trouble with Kuma, yet after tekken 4 we are told he loses to him, let alone in a rematch the fight made him too exhausted to continue, meanwhile his prime is counted as a match for Kazuya and technically won the 3rd tournament in the games
No shit sherlock
They already scale, whether you like it or not, Jack robots were always fodder to Mishimas and comparable characters, aka high tiers and top tiers scale to then and above respectively
Concrete scaling is the way to go in my opinion.Intentionally or not you've been, because your evidence is comparison of both in destruction force.
Assuming that I've been talking about DC this entire time is silly.Intentionally or not you've been, because your evidence is comparison of both in destruction force.
It is, but it is not the only one way. And well, Panda/Kuma scaling is pretty much concrete cause if they sparred they've fought. Heihachi isn't dumb to make bears who are not even as nearly as strong as other combatants to make them bodyguards.Concrete scaling is the way to go in my opinion.
Considering that you're trying to say that Panda doesn't scales to feat because Jack-6 did it and Panda didn't, yeah you pretty much have been, no offence.Assuming that I've been talking about DC this entire time is silly.
Just stop...your way of tiering is horrible af, those two arent mid tiers1. Bryan and Feng are mid tiers as well.
Based on what we assume Jack 6 is above bears? A sparring partner has relevance, means the character is worth something, lwt alone by the one who trains them2. Who else have the bears fought that justifies them scaling to Jack-6?
Jacks are often portrayed as robots who can pretty much beaten by a lot of characters without a big problem anyway in a later chapters.Just stop...your way of tiering is horrible af, those two arent mid tiers
Based on what we assume Jack 6 is above bears? A sparring partner has relevance, means the character is worth something, lwt alone by the one who trains them
Panda is also a bodyguard to Xiaoyu, same character that beat Nina in the anime and fought Alisa evenly in the movie, Alisa beat a Jack 6, if Panda was as weak as you imply, she wouldnt be for her a bodyguard to begin with, let alone the other points ollegator and me brought up
By this logic no character in dragon ball super besides Beerus and Goku scale to them just cuz they got no feats like their uni punching one, shitty logic as alwaysThe fact that Jack-6 has much better feats than the bears should be enough to justify Jack-6 scaling above them.
1. The bears being comparable to other combatants doesn't mean they scale to Heihachi though.It is, but it is not the only one way. And well, Panda/Kuma scaling is pretty much concrete cause if they sparred they've fought. Heihachi isn't dumb to make bears who are not even as nearly as strong as other combatants to make them bodyguards.
Considering that you're trying to say that Panda doesn't scales to feat because Jack-6 did it and Panda didn't, yeah you pretty much have been, no offence.
Why would Heihachi need a protection from these bears? If those other combatants weren't a trouble then Heihachi just would've one shot them anyway and if Bears were worthless than he doesn't needs any use in them. The reasoning here is flawed and has no basics.1. The bears being comparable to other combatants doesn't mean they scale to Heihachi though.
You just did at this very moment.2. I didn't say that.
I said that Jack-6 had superior feats to the bears.
We literally see Paul end up on streets and not even train anymore till he got in the 4th tournament to prove himself, only to lose to his current rival, let alone even after he trains again, tekken 6 still states he was too tired to continue from their fight, Prime Paul didnt even acknowledge bears as a big deal, its common knowledge Prime Paul > Current Paul1. It's much more reasonable to assume that Kuma became stronger than Paul over time rather than assume that Paul got significantly weaker.
Especially without any hard evidence to support the assertion that Paul got weaker.
Yes they do, by the fact Young Heihachi is displayed to be in the league with those like Feng, which Paul faces off against2. Tekken 2 Mishima's don't scale to Tekken 6 Jack's.
And are still counted as fodder to high tiers and top tiers (mishimas), Jack never were ever above MishimasJack models have gotten stronger over time.
Just stop...your way of tiering is horrible af, those two arent mid tiers
Based on what we assume Jack 6 is above bears? A sparring partner has relevance, means the character is worth something, lwt alone by the one who trains them
Panda is also a bodyguard to Xiaoyu, same character that beat Nina in the anime and fought Alisa evenly in the movie, Alisa beat a Jack 6, if Panda was as weak as you imply, she wouldnt be for her a bodyguard to begin with, let alone the other points ollegator and me brought up
1. They are definitely mid tiers.By this logic no character in dragon ball super besides Beerus and Goku scale to them just cuz they got no feats like their uni punching one, shitty logic as always
1. By this logic Heihachi needs protection from every single combatant in every single Tekken tournament since Tekken 2.Why would Heihachi need a protection from these bears? If those other combatants weren't a trouble then Heihachi just would've one shot them anyway and if Bears were worthless than he doesn't needs any use in them. The reasoning here is flawed and has no basics.
You just did at this very moment.
Who they? Nina? Same Nina who directly fought Heihachi, keep in mind. Alisa? Same Alisa that destroys Jacks in story. Xiaoyu? Same girl who beated both Alisa and Nina.1. They are definitely mid tiers.
2. Sparring partners are concrete enough evidence to justify Tier 6 scaling.
Was confirmed as canon by its creator.The Tekken anime isn't canon to the games so any scaling in them is irrelevant.
You should know that bro.
And knocking down isn't something that is not direct? Like she wouldn't have done damage at all if she wasn't as strong as Jack-6.Alisa didn't beat that Jack-6 model.
She temporarily knocked Jack-6 down and then it got back up to then get beaten by Lars in 1 punch.
And he had/s. Kuma 1 and Mishima Zaibatsu army in T1-2. As well as Ganryu in Tekken 3 and again, same army.1. By this logic Heihachi needs protection from every single combatant in every single Tekken tournament since Tekken 2.
Which is absurd.
Jack-6 has a better feat not better feats. And again, to do so you're comparing each's destructive capacity.2. Saying that Jack-6 has better feats isn't the same thing as saying that Panda doesn't scale to Jack-6 because he performed a better feat.
I'm simply using the fact that Jack-6 has better feats to support the idea that he scales above the bears.
1. When was it stated that Paul stopped training?We literally see Paul end up on streets and not even train anymore till he got in the 4th tournament to prove himself, only to lose to his current rival, let alone even after he trains again, tekken 6 still states he was too tired to continue from their fight, Prime Paul didnt even acknowledge bears as a big deal, its common knowledge Prime Paul > Current Paul
Yes they do, by the fact Young Heihachi is displayed to be in the league with those like Feng, which Paul faces off against
And are still counted as fodder to high tiers and top tiers (mishimas), Jack never were ever above Mishimas
No they arent, mid tiers like Alisa or human/demon Jinpachi, we are explicitely told compared to Mishimas they are match to their power, high tiers either scale to a degree to Mishimas by being told or shown as such, let alone, that same Jinpachi in tekken 5 is as well told as being no match to old Heihachi, meanwhile against Young Heihachi he does actually something to him by comparison1. They are definitely mid tiers.
Glad you agree, as you should be actually2. Sparring partners are concrete enough evidence to justify Tier 6 scaling.
You should you clearly have no idea wtf you talking, roundtable for fighting devs michael murray says the anime its kind of a prequel to tekken 3 and were involved in it, when they shown the 1st trailer in that streamThe Tekken anime isn't canon to the games so any scaling in them is irrelevant.
You should know that bro.
You have eye problems too, she kicks him, engages him in up close and kills it moments after, with another Jack 6 coming to get grabbed by Lars and do his back throw moveAlisa didn't beat that Jack-6 model.
She temporarily knocked Jack-6 down and then it got back up to then get beaten by Lars in 1 punch.
No dude, cuz by your logic we cant scale anyone besides Beerus to him, they have no uni feats like them, even tho they scale, same goes to tekken by this logic of yours, know the scaling then talk3. Power-scaling is a case by case thing.
Plenty of characters have fought on par with a serious SSB Goku so they should scale just fine.
1. Heihachi easily defeated Nina.Who they? Nina? Same Nina who directly fought Heihachi, keep in mind. Alisa? Same Alisa that destroys Jacks in story. Xiaoyu? Same girl who beated both Alisa and Nina.
See? you said it yourself.
Was confirmed as canon by its creator.
And knocking down isn't something that is not direct? Like she wouldn't have done damage at all if she wasn't as strong as Jack-6.
And he had/s. Kuma 1 and Mishima Zaibatsu army in T1-2. As well as Ganryu in Tekken 3 and again, same army.
Jack-6 has a better feat not better feats. And again, to do so you're comparing each's destructive capacity.
1. When was it stated that Paul stopped training?
The fact that Feng fights Young Heihachi alone is a proof that Feng isn't a mid tier at this point. And TT2 is confirmed as canon in T72. No they don't.
Young Heihachi fighting Feng Wei makes no sense timeline wise and even if he did Feng Wei is mid tier at best.
Thing is not just about 20 year gap, thing is also about the fact that Jacks are often narratively fodders in later chapters. If Jack 6 was considered as strong in Tekken 6, he turns into a fodder in Tekken 7, if Jack 4 was strong in T4 events they again, turn into a fodders in Tekken 5. Jacks are pretty much fodders to characters at later points of the game, that thing is consistent on a narrative level.That's a time gap of over 20 years.
It's unreasonable to scale them.
Again, if it was easy he would've done it in one hit, and he didn't1. Heihachi easily defeated Nina.
Nina doesn't scale to him.
Alisa never defeated Jack-6.
Literally in a video I showed as well as what Dark said2. Where did Harada directly state that Tekken Bloodline is canon?
Try to knock down a guy who's over thousands of times stronger than you I dare you.3. No.
Knocking down isn't sufficient for scaling.
What's so hard here? Heihachi in plot had and has defense in Tekken story. You can't just approach and fight him.4. I'm not following you?
You're not even trying to hide that you do in fact comparing their DC at that point.5. Nope.
He has better feats.
Jack-6 has a DC and speed feat in his ending.
Jack-6 having better feats is being used to support the idea that he scales above the bears.
1. I can't quite decipher what you're saying here.You get on my nerves again with your ******* surface level knowledge
No they arent, mid tiers like Alisa or human/demon Jinpachi, we are explicitely told compared to Mishimas they are match to their power, high tiers either scale to a degree to Mishimas by being told or shown as such, let alone, that same Jinpachi in tekken 5 is as well told as being no match to old Heihachi, meanwhile against Young Heihachi he does actually something to him by comparison
Glad you agree, as you should be actually
You should you clearly have no idea wtf you talking, roundtable for fighting devs michael murray says the anime its kind of a prequel to tekken 3 and were involved in it, when they shown the 1st trailer in that stream
Harada and Murray say in an interview stuff original by anime they wanna use as canon setting, let alone it tells most of the game story in the form of the anime, it is canon, but obviously why would you know such things, when you ARENT even knowledgable on the series besides surface level info
You have eye problems too, she kicks him, engages him in up close and kills it moments after, with another Jack 6 coming to get grabbed by Lars and do his back throw move
No dude, cuz by your logic we cant scale anyone besides Beerus to him, they have no uni feats like them, even tho they scale, same goes to tekken by this logic of yours, know the scaling then talk
1. Heihachi wasn't trying to hurt Nina.Again, if it was easy he would've done it in one hit, and he didn't
So she does.
She did
Literally in a video I showed as well as what Dark said
Try to knock down a guy who's over thousands of times stronger than you I dare you.
What's so hard here? Heihachi in plot had and has defense in Tekken story. You can't just approach and fight him.
You're not even trying to hide that you do in fact comparing their DC at that point.
Funny that you're trying to dismiss that one feat in a scene while also ignoring that Alisa also casually beats up Jacks during story mode outside of cutscenes.There was only 1 Jack-6 in that room.
She didn't kill it.
Jack-6 got back up after Alisa's assault and then it got 1 shot by Lars.
Show where in your headcanon skull you got we are said he trains anywhere there, after tekken 3 Paul insisted he was the champion last time, since Jin beat Ogre last form of which he was unaware of, people were getting sick of him and dojo runs out of business, we see him literally end on streets like a homeless person in the story of the character, next tournament is announced and he joins like that to prove it, tell me from where is implied he trained anymore, loses to Kuma, then later when we are specifically told he trains he still had it rough with Kuma he had to give up1. When was it stated that Paul stopped training?
Tag 2 is fair use, if your only problem is you not liking it, lore and feats dont care of your feelings2. No they don't.
Young Heihachi fighting Feng Wei makes no sense timeline wise and even if he did Feng Wei is mid tier at best.
Already debunked previously a couple times, get better arguments besides your surface level info3. Tekken 2 characters don't scale to Tekken 6 characters.
That's a time gap of over 20 years.
It is shown that he abandoned his dojo, so he and Law at that point are more busy with debts rather than training people.
The fact that Feng fights Young Heihachi alone is a proof that Feng isn't a mid tier at this point. And TT2 is confirmed as canon in T7
Thing is not just about 20 year gap, thing is also about the fact that Jacks are often narratively fodders in later chapters. If Jack 6 was considered as strong in Tekken 6, he turns into a fodder in Tekken 7, if Jack 4 was strong in T4 events they again, turn into a fodders in Tekken 5. Jacks are pretty much fodders to characters at later points of the game, that thing is consistent on a narrative level.
At what other point in the scenario campaign does Alisa fight Jack-6's?Funny that you're trying to dismiss that one feat in a scene while also ignoring that Alisa also casually beats up Jacks during story mode outside of cutscenes.
1. You stated that Paul stopped training so the burden of proof is on you to support that claim.Show where in your headcanon skull you got we are said he trains anywhere there, after tekken 3 Paul insisted he was the champion last time, since Jin beat Ogre last form of which he was unaware of, people were getting sick of him and dojo runs out of business, we see him literally end on streets like a homeless person in the story of the character, next tournament is announced and he joins like that to prove it, tell me from where is implied he trained anymore, loses to Kuma, then later when we are specifically told he trains he still had it rough with Kuma he had to give up
Tag 2 is fair use, if your only problem is you not liking it, lore and feats dont care of your feelings
And funny how you ignore the other things tjat further shows where Young Heihachi stands up and those comparable, they aint mid tiers normie
Already debunked previously a couple times, get better arguments besides your surface level info
Aka you dont know the verse therefore your right to debate on the scaling where each is tiered doesnt exist, multiple people here and outside the thread said i know this series better then anyone, your opinion with "no" responses means 01. I can't quite decipher what you're saying here.
The unconsciousness knows the truth deep inside unlike you normally2. I misspoke.
I will go get them soon3. Care to provide a link?
You are legit blind then4.. That's not what happened.
No, its exactly how it goes by your logic, scaling proves the characters get the rating, yet you deny it just cuz "has shown a better feat" i cant even begin to describe how pathetically laughable this is, when bears have scaling to show that they scale above, yet you go against it by your surface level info, a character having a better feat then someone means nothing unless the power scaling further suggests they dont scale6. Your analysis of my logic is flawed.
Going toe to toe with a serious SSB Goku is more than enough to justify Tier 3 scaling.
He previously had an other assistant back in anime. He's from a company that has enough money to do WW3, it's no big deal to hire an other assistant (or assassin or maybe even make one cause Mishima Zaibatsu also can and did that pretty frequently). And if he does indeed needs Nina then Nina has a value, Nina is far more stronger than normal people for his defense.1. Heihachi wasn't trying to hurt Nina.
He needed her as an assistant.
Nina doesn't scale to Heihachi.
Alisa didn't beat Jack-6.
At what other point in the scenario campaign does Alisa fight Jack-6's?
And we need direct statement? Anime doesn't contradicts and for a most parts only supports Tekken lore, why it won't be canon when it's heavily implied to be?2. Harada didn't directly state that Tekken Bloodline is canon in the video you linked.
And by your implication nor does Alisa. But she does have enough to take Jack down3. I don't have super strength.
Aka, literally comparing them in DC.4. I'm only talking about DC in so far as to support the idea that Jack-6 is above the bears.
He lost basically everything, including dojo where he was training. It'll take a lot of assumptions that Paul with no motivation to go on left would actually train.1. It's stated that Paul's dojo went out of business due to lack of people.
Not that he abandoned it.
Nothing in your video suggests that Paul stopped training.
Oh so Heihachi would make himseда young to make himself weaker? Don't see logic here.2. Feng fighting Young Heihachi doesn't make Feng a high tier.
Depends. In later parts earlier models are.3. Jack's aren't considered fodders to every single character in the games.
Such as...? Don't stop there.Tag 2 has timeline inconsistencies.
It's only partially canon.
1. Meh.Aka you dont know the verse therefore your right to debate on the scaling where each is tiered doesnt exist, multiple people here and outside the thread said i know this series better then anyone, your opinion with "no" responses means 0
The unconsciousness knows the truth deep inside unlike you normally
I will go get them soon
You are legit blind then
No, its exactly how it goes by your logic, scaling proves the characters get the rating, yet you deny it just cuz "has shown a better feat" i cant even begin to describe how pathetically laughable this is, when bears have scaling to show that they scale above, yet you go against it by your surface level info, a character having a better feat then someone means nothing unless the power scaling further suggests they dont scale
Well you say that and comparing Jacks to Bears in terms of DC.5. I'm not basing my scaling entirely on feats.
No its not and you were already shown he has no training in tekken 4, tekken 5 literally tells us he actually trains or is shown visually like with tekken 1, why we assume he did when the character gone through rough times with no motivation, the tournament is what got him fired up again1. You stated that Paul stopped training so the burden of proof is on you to support that claim.
At this point, shut up, simply shut up2. Tag 2 has timeline inconsistencies.
It's only partially canon.
No they arent, either you bring evidence as to why or zip it3. They are mid tiers.
Here goes the denial attitude again4. Nothing was debunked.
He previously had an other assistant back in anime. He's from a company that has enough money to do WW3, it's no big deal to hire an other assistant (or assassin or maybe even make one cause Mishima Zaibatsu also can and did that pretty frequently). And if he does indeed needs Nina then Nina has a value, Nina is far more stronger than normal people for his defense.
Like this level happens seconds after that cutscene how do you miss that?
And we need direct statement? Anime doesn't contradicts and for a most parts only supports Tekken lore, why it won't be canon when it's heavily implied to be?
And by your implication nor does Alisa. But she does have enough to take Jack down
Aka, literally comparing them in DC.
He lost basically everything, including dojo where he was training. It'll take a lot of assumptions that Paul with no motivation to go on left would actually train.
Oh so Heihachi would make himseда young to make himself weaker? Don't see logic here.
Depends. In later parts earlier models are.
Such as...? Don't stop there.
1. No evidence that Paul stopped training.No its not and you were already shown he has no training in tekken 4, tekken 5 literally tells us he actually trains or is shown visually like with tekken 1, why we assume he did when the character gone through rough times with no motivation, the tournament is what got him fired up again
At this point, shut up, simply shut up
No they arent, either you bring evidence as to why or zip it
Here goes the denial attitude again
Like I said earlier I'm talking about DC to support the scaling.Well you say that and comparing Jacks to Bears in terms of DC.
Seems like you do, no offence.
Nina wasnt taken by knowing things, but by her capabilitaties as a fighter and skills, Heihachi has no need for people that arent capable of doing their job1. Heihachi isn't going to be able to find an assistant that knows the ins and outs of the Mishima Zaibatsu on short notice.
He has no reason to injure Nina.
Word of god has it stated as canonical, as well as two other details that explains stuff from the games, dont go throw out whats canon and not out of your ass3. It's best to get a direct statement or reference of Tekken Bloodline's canonical nature rather than assume it's canon.
You are denying it and keep being stubborn4. You need some form of concrete proof to prove that Paul stopped training.
Tag 2 has no story therefore no such thing as Jinpachi being alive goes against the canon and what ifs are fair game, which was already talked about way back6. For example, Jinpachi is alive in Tag 2 even though he disintegrated in Tekken 5.
He has, he's taking Mishima Zaibatsu back and for that he needs to beat the shit out of its current leader who technically was Nina while Jin was in desert.1. Heihachi isn't going to be able to find an assistant that knows the ins and outs of the Mishima Zaibatsu on short notice.
He has no reason to injure Nina.
I literally time stamped the video2. Can you tell me the timestamp?
Idek what are you asking here.3. It's best to get a direct statement or reference of Tekken Bloodline's canonical nature rather than assume it's canon.
You need some form of concrete proof to prove that Paul trained. Evidence tells he did not. Show not assume.4. You need some form of concrete proof to prove that Paul stopped training.
It is true. You're lying if you're trying to say it's not.5. That's not true.
And that's only like, 1 contradiction and even then. Like Dark said earlier what ifs is a fair game for Tekken.6. For example, Jinpachi is alive in Tag 2 even though he disintegrated in Tekken 5.
Or in other words comparing them in DC, there's nothing else you doing.Like I said earlier I'm talking about DC to support the scaling.
Evidence was given you are just a hard headed normie1. No evidence that Paul stopped training.
You have no argument and had none in this whole thread, left and right you get debunked and proven unfit to run your mouth in the verse2. No argument.
Uno card reply how original, you are simply a horrible debater and in denial at it too, get my knowledge then we talking, you have 0 rights to argue the verse when you dont know at least enough to argue back properly, let alone vs debating terms and knowledge to begin with3. You're the only person in denial here.
Nina wasnt taken by knowing things, but by her capabilitaties as a fighter and skills, Heihachi has no need for people that arent capable of doing their job
Word of god has it stated as canonical, as well as two other details that explains stuff from the games, dont go throw out whats canon and not out of your ass
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What i talked about earlier
You are denying it and keep being stubborn
Tag 2 has no story therefore no such thing as Jinpachi being alive goes against the canon and what ifs are fair game, which was already talked about way back
1. Heihachi definitely needed Nina for more than just her fighting ability.Evidence was given you are just a hard headed normie
You have no argument and had none in this whole thread, left and right you get debunked and proven unfit to run your mouth in the verse
Uno card reply how original, you are simply a horrible debater and in denial at it too, get my knowledge then we talking, you have 0 rights to argue the verse when you dont know at least enough to argue back properly, let alone vs debating terms and knowledge to begin with
1. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.He has, he's taking Mishima Zaibatsu back and for that he needs to beat the shit out of its current leader who technically was Nina while Jin was in desert.
I literally time stamped the video
Idek what are you asking here.
You need some form of concrete proof to prove that Paul trained. Evidence tells he did not. Show not assume.
It is true. You're lying if you're trying to say it's not.
And that's only like, 1 contradiction and even then. Like Dark said earlier what ifs is a fair game for Tekken.
Or in other words comparing them in DC, there's nothing else you doing.