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Massive Source Downgrades (Maou Gakuin)
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"and most staff is on my side"Well, I do have permission from Glass to apply the concept/info downgrades, so I guess I can do that now?
Yes, No. You only have a single vote my friendly, don't try to manipulate the vote and people.
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The "most staff is on my side" bit was in reference to the Touhou thread, lol
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And why the F*CK are you commenting here?
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bro?
I was just giving more context to that screenshot because you misunderstood what I said. No need to act like an ass over me explaining something to you.
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@Artorimachi_Meteoraft stop derailing the thread. If you don't have anything to contribute beyond trying to pry for my private information then stop commenting.
@Dog3352 The DC heralds CRT where some of the people leaning into agreeing counts for one or the other would like to talk to you, but if you want me to get more staff I can get more to comment.
@Qawsedf234 @Maverick_Zero_X Can you guys give input on whether or not this is a type 3 concept?
@Dog3352 The DC heralds CRT where some of the people leaning into agreeing counts for one or the other would like to talk to you, but if you want me to get more staff I can get more to comment.
@Qawsedf234 @Maverick_Zero_X Can you guys give input on whether or not this is a type 3 concept?
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I'm not "acting stupid", I just didn't "ask normally", I'm not cussing you out, I just want to know why the hell you're commenting on another topic of another verse here.
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This has 0 meanings.
Are you saying that someone who didn't agree actually agreed only because he was inclined to agree, doesn't the person have the slightest right to pass the final verdict and say whether he really agrees or not?
And yes, call more people to comment here, we've been asking for this since yesterday.
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If there nothing more to the OP then it's type 3, but not because it doesn't have a past. A concept of an individual human will always just he Type 3. It's only Type 2 if its a broader concept like "humanity" or something along those lines.
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The last conversation of an entire review in CM was in this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/conceptual-manipulation-clarifications-revisions.128012/page-3
Where did I get these conversations from:
In the first, it says that the concept does not need to be universal to be type 1 or 2, saying that the concept being universal does not make it a type 1 or 2 concept (it was before, but after this topic, no is longer a requirement)
The second and third, it is said that a concept that has no specification (example in the conversation itself), is more likely to be a type 3 CM.
This is literally a direct confirmation that the concept does not need to have universal scale in order to be CM type 1 or 2, saying that something like "universal AoE" is not necessary (making it very clear that universal AoE or universal scale is not required to be type 2 or 1).
Extra proof: This confirmation has a link that goes straight to the revisions, in the penultimate and ante-penultimate changes (revisions), they take out words like "govern the universe" or "govern reality", taking out universal scales, and replacing them with words like "govern reality in all its area" or "govern reality in all area that the concept governs" (making it clear once again that you don't need universal AoE to be CM type 2 or 1).
Conceptual Manipulation
Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly...
vsbattles.fandom.com
Conceptual Manipulation
Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly...
vsbattles.fandom.com
Another "confirmation" that universal scale or reality scale is not needed.
And also the explanation from the source is almost like a copy of the explanation of what the HGR is (is treated as CM 2).
High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, and soul, along with at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the underlying information (Type 2) or concept(s) (Type 1 or 2, but only very rarely 3, if there is strong evidence of being similar to the former types in terms of how hard it is to regenerate from them) needed for them to exist.
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This is nothing more than AoE, it was already said in the last CRT review of CM that I don't need big AoE or something, but fundamentalism.
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And then you realize that the change made was the one to the CRT that I posted.
I made further changes to make it so that concepts don't need to be universal in AoE anymore. I hope the formulation is ok.
Conceptual Manipulation
Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly...
vsbattles.fandom.com
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The page itself states this
And more importantly this
A person's future being erased, but only that person and only in the present and not retroactively, is Type 3.
The High-Godly Regen stuff even notes that you can get the rating with Type 3, it's just more difficult.
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Lmao. See the changes.
pre-review:
| Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object in the same way the concept itself was changed, effectively altering reality on a universal, if not higher, scale. |
| Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object linked to it in the same way the concept itself was changed. |
| '''1. Independent Universal Concepts:''' Such concepts are completely independent from the reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the form of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of reality, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept. |
| '''1. Independent Universal Concepts:''' Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept. |
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@Dog3352 You do realize you're shooting yourself in the foot the more and more you show me the page where it says shape all of reality right? Constantly showing me the page where it says what I've been saying throughout this thread isn't helping you.
Either way 3 staff members agreed with this thread, (or 3.5 if we're being semantic) so the changes can be applied.
Either way 3 staff members agreed with this thread, (or 3.5 if we're being semantic) so the changes can be applied.
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No. No I am not
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"governs all reality" to "All reality whitin THEIR AREA OF INFLUENCE"
It's literally in the CRT itself, in the changes made, and in the CRT admins and users' own words, you are just IGNORING A FACT.
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I only agreed with the concept stuff. The regeneration still probably qualifies as High Godly and I don't know about information manipulation.
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@Qawsedf234 The High godly regen stuff I told Fuji to save it for another thread since I'm neutral on that stuff.
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...Ignorant.
The admins themselves agreeing that you DON'T NEED to have universal AoE to be type 1 or 2.
I made further changes to make it so that concepts don't need to be universal in AoE anymore. I hope the formulation is ok.
This said by the same person who applied the changes...
Extra proof: This confirmation has a link that goes straight to the revisions, in the penultimate and ante-penultimate changes (revisions), they take out words like "govern the universe" or "govern reality", taking out universal scales, and replacing them with words like "govern reality in all its area" or "govern reality in all area that the concept governs" (making it clear once again that you don't need universal AoE to be CM type 2 or 1).
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The admins themselves agreeing that you DON'T NEED to have universal AoE to be type 1 or 2.
This is literally a direct confirmation that the concept does not need to have universal scale in order to be CM type 1 or 2, saying that something like "universal AoE" is not necessary (making it very clear that universal AoE or universal scale is not required to be type 2 or 1).
I made further changes to make it so that concepts don't need to be universal in AoE anymore. I hope the formulation is ok.
This said by the same person who applied the changes...
Extra proof: This confirmation has a link that goes straight to the revisions, in the penultimate and ante-penultimate changes (revisions), they take out words like "govern the universe" or "govern reality", taking out universal scales, and replacing them with words like "govern reality in all its area" or "govern reality in all area that the concept governs" (making it clear once again that you don't need universal AoE to be CM type 2 or 1).
pre-review:
| Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object in the same way the concept itself was changed, effectively altering reality on a universal, if not higher, scale. |
| Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object linked to it in the same way the concept itself was changed. |
| '''1. Independent Universal Concepts:''' Such concepts are completely independent from the reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the form of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of reality, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept. |
| '''1. Independent Universal Concepts:''' Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept. |
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The changes were made to make it clear that it no longer takes Universal AoE to be type 1 or 2...but you are simply too ignorant to even notice the obvious...
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Now READ the difference between one explanation and the other.
pre-review:
| Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object in the same way the concept itself was changed, effectively altering reality on a universal, if not higher, scale. |
| Each concept is linked with its respective "object". In this way, altering the concept will change every object linked to it in the same way the concept itself was changed. |
| '''1. Independent Universal Concepts:''' Such concepts are completely independent from the reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the form of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of reality, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept. |
| '''1. Independent Universal Concepts:''' Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept. |
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Changes made by the same person who said this:
I made further changes to make it so that concepts don't need to be universal in AoE anymore. I hope the formulation is ok.
Before the changes, it's OBVIOUS even in the explanations that you need to have universal AoE to be type 1 or 2, but after the revision, the explanation was later made for people to see that you don't need to have universal AoE to be type 1 or 2 anymore two.
Like I said, you're just too ignorant to notice the obvious, I bet you're not even reading my answers.
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From what I can see nothing Dog has said has real been hostile. Rhe ignorant thing seems to come more frustration than hostility.
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Thank you, and yes, and that.
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I would like you to please take a look at what I said above, and even (only if you want) could you go to the thread where I got these conversations from.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/conceptual-manipulation-clarifications-revisions.128012/page-3
Also, these are some of the admins who followed and accepted the topic:
@DontTalkDT
@Promestein
@Antvasima
I made further changes to make it so that concepts don't need to be universal in AoE anymore. I hope the formulation is ok.
^^^^
By the way, these words and these changes were applied by @DontTalkDT
@Everything12 was also on this CRT, but the things discussed that I posted were only mentioned on the third (last) page, and I only saw his presence on the first and second page, so I don't know if he accompanied by page 3.
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You're just proving me right, and besides, most of your words are the same, saying I need to "govern all reality" or "govern the the universe".
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Quote me where I said the universe right now. If you can’t then you’re essentially strawmanning me
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Look, at this point, we do objectively have enough staff input to apply the changes. Some profiles just need to be unlocked and that's it.
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Not only that part, he has actually been hostile towards Glass previously in the course of the thread, that was the third time so I had to call him out on that
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I went "hostile", because he was manipulating the text to look like something else, and it wasn't "hostility", I wanted an explanation of why he was doing this.
And did you really look for a time when I was hostile just for that?
I don't like idiots, ignorant or manipulators, they pissed me off, I was pissed off, and wanted explanations for what he was doing.
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So you’re calling me an idiot now? Ok, good luck trying to convince me that your side is right if ad Hominem is your option against disagreements
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I think you misunderstood my text, I said that these are the types of people I hate the most, not that you are that type of person.
Ignorant? You proved to be.
Idiot? Not from my point of view.
Manipulator? Only once.
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When several staff members are telling you this doesn't qualify for type 2 because it's not a concept that governs reality, only one that covers a specific individual, this whole "ignorant" card flies out the window because you're basically calling every staff member ignorant, which isn't a good look for you if you want to convince us this is type 2 or 1 concept.
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