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Ok so there are 1-B feats? Good to know. I agree with those feats I guess. Literally the only part I had a problem with was hilbert spaces being used to justify a hierarchy.
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Massive Sonic the Hedgehog Cosmology Upgrade (High 1-B)
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It's not burden of proof. I'm not going to post an entire pdf of "Shankar's principles of quantum mechanics" explaining why Hilbert spaces don't represent high hyperversal. I have given reasoning already, a laymans explanation for why dimensionality in a hilbert/vectors space is irrelevant. This is what I originally quoted and this is the source.
It's infuriating people are strawman-ing me implying I disagree with ALL of the scaling.
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In fact @sanicspood ], You can download and read this pdf to understand what I'm arguing here. I want you to reread your posts on quantum mechanics when you actually know a vector is.
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1. Doesn't matter Mogul was still sealed
2. Hitchens's Razor
He still kidnapped and captured Titan tails
And said he was returned to his prominence so yeah he is as strong as Master Mogul
All i got to say to that is Mogul is Pan Dimensional just because they didn't damage universes doesn't mean they can't
it says
"It Is an Eventually I have considered, However, I am not overly concerned for I have unraveled the central conceit to the cosmic riddle that was our stalemate. For Centuries I Marshaled my elemental Magical Mastery and built my Order of Ixis. Only when I sought global domination overly did I fail. I spent lifetimes again Studying and preparing, Waiting and watching Until the world into chaos by the First Robotnik War and the traditions of the Brotherhood brought about their most ignorant And inexperienced prodigy yet. My power was absolute and I was defeated. I clawed my way back from the ether manifesting flesh and the physical form from nothing And ascended to a Pan - dimensional god! and was defeated The pattern with Immense Chargain I now admit was obvious I will meet with no more ruin so long as I leave Mobius to fumble about in is usual indifferent Ineptitude. I Shall find no obstacle In my minor exorcism and entertainments one of such I'm sure. Will be ensuring my hated enemies never breed-or at least enjoy parenthood for long. Small minor victories will weave the tapestry of my greater triumph. Let them relish their[Dubiously Dubbed] "Peace" I have time on my side."
it was burden of proof at that time, I didn't know what u were talking about
I agree it's no longer burden of proof for that
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Matters for your sealing scaling, which Athair did nothing
Here is your razor:
What is this from? What Q&A?
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And said he was returned to his prominence so yeah he is as strong as Master Mogul
1. He didn't say he became Master Mogul
2. Before and after this issue, Mogul was just energy. Turbo Tails sustain his form but disappeared the moment his connection to Tails was lost.
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1. I mean not really because they still harmed Mogul
2. OkayHere is your razor:
3. Bumblekast
1. Prominece says otherwise
2. He still kidnapped Turbo Tails I don't see what you're trying to say?
Sonic should scale to Ultimate Annihilator Eggman, Enerjak, Super Scourge via serving killing blows from them so..
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Nobody scales to the Ultimate Annihilator, other than Antione's Bomb. The UA being 2-A, other than range, also is debunked by the aftermath of the explosion.
Super Forms, yes. Sealing does not harm oppentents
So, either not canon or needs more context
Considering Mogul was just energy, returning to prominence is just getting a physical form back
Super Forms, yes. Sealing does not harm oppentents
So, either not canon or needs more context
Prominence = the fact or condition of standing out from something by physically projecting or being particularly noticeable
Considering Mogul was just energy, returning to prominence is just getting a physical form back
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1. Sonic scales to it considering he tanked it and no it's not it's literally said the ultimate Effected all of Creation(the whole Cosmology basically)
Nope base sonic harmed Mogul
Ian Flynn said it
He still kidnapped Turbo Tails and even if he didn't I still have the statement he's Pan dimensional which is all i needProminence = the fact or condition of standing out from something by physically projecting or being particularly noticeable
Considering Mogul was just energy, returning to prominence is just getting a physical form back
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He didn't tank it. He got erased, like it shows in the story and given a mention in the encyclopedia. The Ring just revived him from erased existence.
Base Sonic harmed Base Mogul, yes
For what? A fan fiction?
He was just energy, starved and in need of Power Rings to survive, when he kidnapped Tails. Impressive, but not evidence of Master Mogul or higher dimensions.
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Holy shit Sonic in VS is the biggest pain in the ass. No franchise is as hard to anylize and get a consensus with. Change my mind.
Anyway, I can tell you put a shitload of work into this, and there's alot of evidence to support your point, but I think there needs to be even more than that. I guess there's this post which gives more evidence for a tier 1 Sonic...
aminoapps.com
...but everyone laughs at it, so I almost feel bad for sharing it... If it's been debunked somewhere, I'd love to see a link to it.
Not every many-worlds interpretation of the multiverse is 1-B, and the evidence you've provided to say that Sonic's multiverse should be 1-B aside from that would also apply to many other series. It's also kind of vague. Those WoG statements need to come from people who are important to the game continuity, and Idk if any of them are.
Still, the logic that the main games are parrallel to Boom, which are parralel to Archie, which are parralel to Image comics makes sense... on paper, that is. I don't know what it takes for cross-overs like these to be accepted. Maybe we can just remove the higher dimensions from Image because it was a one time cross-over?? There's just too much to go through here. Too much for one thread. Isn't there a way to break this down into smaller parts? This is even harder to read with all the paragraphs which show up more than once. How did you not notice that?
Conclusion: Sonic cosmology is at the very least countless 2-B, likely 2-A, and POSSIBLY far higher. Sonic Prime is almost certainly going to increase its scope beyond 2-C regardless of how this thread turns out, and might even end up proving that everything is canon after all. We'll have to see.
This is as much as I'm getting involved with this. I don't have the energy or time to commit to this shit. Preferably settle it later, by breaking down each point one by one. I'm already busy enough with another Sonic discussion anyway.
Anyway, I can tell you put a shitload of work into this, and there's alot of evidence to support your point, but I think there needs to be even more than that. I guess there's this post which gives more evidence for a tier 1 Sonic...
The Phantom Ruby, Dark Gaia, Time Eater and Solaris Are Beyond Dimensional (Outerversal) | Battle Arena Amino Amino
Okay so some time ago I did some translations with Windii and checked out some things and I was stun
aminoapps.com
Not every many-worlds interpretation of the multiverse is 1-B, and the evidence you've provided to say that Sonic's multiverse should be 1-B aside from that would also apply to many other series. It's also kind of vague. Those WoG statements need to come from people who are important to the game continuity, and Idk if any of them are.
Still, the logic that the main games are parrallel to Boom, which are parralel to Archie, which are parralel to Image comics makes sense... on paper, that is. I don't know what it takes for cross-overs like these to be accepted. Maybe we can just remove the higher dimensions from Image because it was a one time cross-over?? There's just too much to go through here. Too much for one thread. Isn't there a way to break this down into smaller parts? This is even harder to read with all the paragraphs which show up more than once. How did you not notice that?
Conclusion: Sonic cosmology is at the very least countless 2-B, likely 2-A, and POSSIBLY far higher. Sonic Prime is almost certainly going to increase its scope beyond 2-C regardless of how this thread turns out, and might even end up proving that everything is canon after all. We'll have to see.
This is as much as I'm getting involved with this. I don't have the energy or time to commit to this shit. Preferably settle it later, by breaking down each point one by one. I'm already busy enough with another Sonic discussion anyway.
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2. Who scales to Master Mogul he's literally powered by Turbo Tails
3. No it's from Ian Flynn not a fanfiction
The Pan Dimensional Scan debunks that
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DC, Marvel, Dragon Ball for years and sort of still now, Mario, etc
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ew za stando (yes i was using screenshots but doesn't mean I like him)Holy shit Sonic in VS is the biggest pain in the ass. No franchise is as hard to anylize and get a consensus with. Change my mind.
Anyway, I can tell you put a shitload of work into this, and there's alot of evidence to support your point, but I think there needs to be even more than that. I guess there's this post which gives more evidence for a tier 1 Sonic...
...but everyone laughs at it, so I almost feel bad for sharing it... If it's been debunked somewhere, I'd love to see a link to it.The Phantom Ruby, Dark Gaia, Time Eater and Solaris Are Beyond Dimensional (Outerversal) | Battle Arena Amino Amino
Okay so some time ago I did some translations with Windii and checked out some things and I was stun
Not every many-worlds interpretation of the multiverse is 1-B, and the evidence you've provided to say that Sonic's multiverse should be 1-B aside from that would also apply to many other series. It's also kind of vague. Those WoG statements need to come from people who are important to the game continuity, and Idk if any of them are.
Still, the logic that the main games are parrallel to Boom, which are parralel to Archie, which are parralel to Image comics makes sense... on paper, that is. I don't know what it takes for cross-overs like these to be accepted. Maybe we can just remove the higher dimensions from Image because it was a one time cross-over?? There's just too much to go through here. Too much for one thread. Isn't there a way to break this down into smaller parts? This is even harder to read with all the paragraphs which show up more than once. How did you not notice that?
Conclusion: Sonic cosmology is at the very least countless 2-B, likely 2-A, and POSSIBLY far higher. Sonic Prime is almost certainly going to increase its scope beyond 2-C regardless of how this thread turns out, and might even end up proving that everything is canon after all. We'll have to see.
This is as much as I'm getting involved with this. I don't have the energy or time to commit to this shit. Preferably do it later, by breaking down each point one by one. I'm already busy enough with another Sonic discussion anyway.
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Just to give back his physical form. I tried arguing the same thing to disavow a different scaling. There is no evidence he was in a super form. He also doesn't look like he is in a Super Form either.
It sounds like fan fiction to me the longer you don't explain the context.
I don't believe the source of where Pan Dimensional is coming from, because you aren't explaining the context.
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1. He fought Titan Tails so....yeah who scales above Turbo Tails
^Pan Dimensional
Only Master Mogul would destroy all zones
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The image is blurry
^Pan Dimensional
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ik im tryna find a better one
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wasn’t really a troll thread but whatever. this was kinda serious
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They're all shitshows too, but none to the same extent as Sonic from my experience.
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I'm aware that he has a terrible reputation, but does anyone mind explaining why? His Amino post by itself is moot for sure, but in conjuction with this cosmology upgrade, it makes more sense. Just replace his 1-A non-sense with 1-B, and maybe ignore the whole form theory about Dark Gaia along with some other stuff. If his arguments have already been debunked somewhere, can someone send the link to it?
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You would be new to verse debating. I can't speak for the debates in the past, but the site made its own rules for the scaling in response https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Power-scaling_Rules_for_Marvel_and_DC_Comics
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I feel for you. I do disagree at the end of the day and cross scaling Archie with the Games don't hold up.
I might be in the wrong to promote it here, but you could use https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Character_Stats_and_Profiles_Wiki
There you can make your own profiles with little restriction. You can see how the stats you are proposing would function on a profile and maybe try again in the future.
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Yeah it really sucks that no one is taking this seriously. Maybe Sonic Prime will force the opposition to actually discuss it. Considering what the show is confirmed to be, that's definitely a possibillity. Either way, Sonic's cosmology should at least be upgraded to countless 2-B for ShakeResounding's reasons
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Pretty sure Mario's fate hax isn't combat applicable since it requires Sonic to kidnap Peach
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it is, even without peach being kidnapped. I saw the thread where it was accepted and it is perfectly combat applicable
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Actually, pretty sure Shadow vs Mario is better since Shadow uses his hax in character unlike sonic
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It's still not an insta-win by any means. Especially considering Solaris is also stated to control fate more than once. Game Mario vs Sonic is gonna turn to shit. I'm staying out of it
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yea ive seen that, ive seen multiple other translations saying different stuff
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Ngl, but moving these kinds of threads to fun and games is a bit cruel, even if the premise of the thread is a huge no
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Tbf, even though I agree with you, the way the post is structured coupled with the amount of meme comments would led you to believe otherwise.
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Fair enough
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I don't even see how the premise is that big of stretch. Getting 1-B out of it is a huge stretch for sure, but alot of this still warrants a cosmology upgarde of some kind.
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