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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
And I don't think we should divide by 50. Iron Man, after accelerating, was able to constantly push the blades at supersonic speeds. I am calculating the KE of that.

So City Block level+ Iron Man physically and Large Town level with weaponry. Makes sense, as Ultron was able to fight Iron Man but got completely one-shot by the missile.
mcb physically sounds better and makes more sense. titanium is heavier than aluminum and lighter helicarrier blades may not support the helicarrier flying.
 
Revan Laha said:
What about Captain Marvel blowing up the Kree ship?
That we don't have a profile for her yet is stunning. At this rate, DCEU Shazam will have a profile before she does.
 
Its mind boggling how people, especially Brie herself called Captain Marvel 'the Strongest Marvel Hero" and most of her feats aren't even that impressive from the Movie, but it has been 2 Decades since the events of her movie, so Carol had a LOT of time to improve, Endgame is it just over a Month and a Week away, so we will have to wait and see
 
For the whole Iron Man thing, the first time, Iron Man came flying at high speeds and blasted Loki before he could react, he also later surrendered when Tony start pointing his weapons at him, although that could be because he wanted to get captured, he seemed rather smug when he looked at Banner when he was being escorted by Shield Agents, Loki also seemed to scream in pain when he got hit by Tony's repulsers both times, so Iron Man could be 8-A Physically and High 7-C with Weapons, who knows


No one so far seems to be against the Kree stuff, Although i have no clue for the Captain America stuff, i mean, his Comic version is 8-A Physically, Both MCU and Comic Dormammu are the same tier, i guess MCU Cap being 8-A Physically isn't that big of a stretch, or at least "Possibly" 8-A
 
My thoughts exactly, Loki was also shrugging off Cap's Physical blows and barely making a sound to my knowledge, while Iron Man's blasts caused him pain, but that's me
 
Another good point, then when Tony and Steve fight in Civil War, Tony kept punching Cap and it didn't slow him down, but when Tony used weapons, Steve and Bucky were blown back and took a while to get back up
 
I think we need separate stats for Iron Man's strength and weaponry, but firstly do you think the blades being titanium or aluminium make more sense?
 
Yeah, i agree with separate key's for Iron Man's strength and weaponry, as for the Helicarrier blades, i guess Titanium for me
 
Alright, also, i forgot about Lash and Deathlok, will profile's be made for them? And if Cap is getting upgraded to 8-A Physically, will Spider-Man also be upgraded? Cause Bucky had his Metal Arm around Steve's throat and he couldn't pry it off, while Peter effortlessly caught it and moved it around
 
8-A Super Soldiers seems like a massive instance of PiS. Especially since Iron Man's armor in CW was pretty weak compared to other models.
 
You know, the thought of Tony purposly using a weaker Suit to fight Cap and his team has crossed my mind, but then i thught, probably not, Tony's team was tasked with capturing Cap's, i don't think Tony could afford pulling his punches
 
The suit just seems really bad

  • Had a repulsor crushed by WS
  • Nearly had it's arc reactor ripped out by WS
  • Was physically overpowered multiple times
  • A reflect repulsor blast destroyed the suits targeting system
  • A falling car caused internal damage to Tony
Not only is the suit much worse showing wise, there's also the idea you brought up about him not wanting to kill his former friends.
 
Yup, as soon as Tony saw the footage of his parents, he was bloodlusted, also, i doubt he was using a weaker suit, since he told Black Widow how understaffed they were and wished Hulk was there, i doubt Tony would choose a Weaker Suit when he wanted to gather as much allies as possible to adprehend Cap and his Team, so Tony definitely brought his A Game (Aside from Hulkbuster obviously)
 
Tony didnt wanted to kill Steve at all, he tried to get him away through the whole final battle. Against Bucky, he was obviously for the kill, but Cap, at most he tried to incapacitate him or knock him out so he can stop annoying.
 
Cap scales to Bucky though. Moreover, Cap and Bucky were just trying to get out, not to fight Iron Man.

I also doubt Iron Man will choose a suit not powerful enough to defeat Cap deliberately.
 
No, Bucky tried to escape, Cap purposely attack Tony so Bucky can get away. Is just after the near end when both had to put Tony down has he destroyed one of the escape routes.

Is somewhere stated that the suit used was a specialized prototype that was not perfectioned yet.
 
the fact that mark 46 armor in civil war came forming from generic helicopter shows how specialized and weak it is. cap is not 8-a and he only damaged him with a shield (already 8-a), even then again, it is far weaker armor. he purposely created an armor to subdue than to actually hurt. he would not create a super powerful armor due to strict guidance of sokovia accords and not wanting any collateral damage further so the mk 46 reduces his ap and dura. plus the armor was weakened by ant man messing his systems up.

i disagree with 8-a cap as it is wanking and highballing. period.
 
Its just that his CW suit is just demonstrably weaker than his previous suits and is damaged by attacks that is shouldn't be. I don't think using it to scale WS and Cap is a good idea.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Its just that his CW suit is just demonstrably weaker than his previous suits and is damaged by attacks that is shouldn't be. I don't think using it to scale WS and Cap is a good idea.
yeah and it could not even leave repulsor burn marks in a freaking ceiling. weak showings of the armor are way too consistent and frequent for it to attain the 8-a/7-c rating.
 
I'm not saying that Tony made his armor weaker because of the Accords. Just that the armor is demostrably weaker than his previous suits to an absurd degree that I don't think we should scale Cap/WS to it.
 
Actually, I gotta disagree with that.

It may be weaker, but "absurd" is not the right word, the armor took an unrealistic amount of attacks that is more than what Tony usually tank, he was pretty much attacked by every single one of Caps team and still keep moving.
 
the armor took an unrealistic amount of attacks that is more than what Tony usually tank

The amount of damage it was exposed to was not only lower in scale compared to the majority of his other armors, the suit also took damage from those weaker attacks.

Plus the armor is just inconsistent. It goes from casually stopping Winter Soldier here to being overpowered here The entire movie has incosistent power levels and shouldn't be used to justify a upgrade for Cap.
 
The Kree stuff looks good.

Neutral on the rest for now, but I'm siding with @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @DBZMLP12345 on the scaling.

It makes sense for Iron Man to scale through his different suits, and instead of using Cap's prior anti-feat which it isn't one at all, we upgrade him base on his consistent feats.
 
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