Massive dark souls Downgrades.

[JustSomeWeirdo]

But it didn't destroy a small star, it destroyed a planet

 

[DMUA]

Oh, now I see the memes

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

"Power of one's soul directly affects the AP, via statement I posted, which literally say that every weapons, rings and magic's power source is a soul. How can you produce lightning from your hand? Soul. What does the power came from if you drunk a Pygmy's blood? Soul. What do you give to my husbando Andre when you need to fix a sword? Soul. You fuel flame with your body and soul, and soul or power of it directly affects the AP."

Souls are currency and material, they are used instead of coins and to upgrade weapons. I will say they amp you by giving them to someone who knows how to convert them into something that makes you improved, but definitely not entirely in Attack power.

and again, there is no proof that the power to fuel the first flame is the power required to sustain the sun, anything beyond that is a belief of a fandom or community, for example, I could say the everlasting dragons are even weaker because Stormdrake could just be Transformed Ornstein, which is something some people believe since his armor was found close to the fog gate.

There are lords of Cinder who are weaker than the witch at her prime and still linked the fire, a power of a lord soul should surpass most of them but failed to create a new first flame.

its unconfirmed headcannon and an outlier on top of that. The lords had to team up to kill all the dragons, and their power according to the profiles drastically differ.

Have you ever seen Curse-rotted Greatwood? If you did fight that optional boss, you know that it needs souls to to maintain its power. And this. You get power once use that to the souls of bosses. Soul is an energy output. It is also in line because of the statement. And there is a ring that increases your attack power, ring of blades. The undead struggles to reanimate when their soul lose dark sigil, you can level up with Dark Sigil, part of the dark soul, you know, part of your being and soul.

It kinda is because that is why you go sacrifice yourself in the first place, like look at the ending Shadow given, and if it is a catalyst it comes from above but guess what, it comes from below where humanoids resided in. They are bunch of hollows before in the AoA, because without fire or dark sigil, they just become hollows. If you want a confirmation from the developers, well, wait forever because they give you nothing.

Ornstein being Stormdrake contradicts what he is, a Dragonslayer, what her drive and motivation, loyalty to Lord Gwyn, and who is his enemy, a traitor to Gwyn. It downright contradicts everything about him and stupid theory to say the least. Storm doesn't contradicts anything, neither is the sun being first flame. And if you have problem with the lore established by the community, go to DS wiki and complain.

Witch of Azalith never linked the flame. You don't know what the difference between being given with fire and linking the fire. And if there is a rule that says destroying something meaning can create something then these guys should not be i, their tiers.

Developers did not intend to be as strong as they are. Again, Sephiroth.

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

By this logic shouldn't we downgrade literally everyone in Zelda to like,wall level?Hell,throw Fire Emblem in there too while you're at it.

 

[JustJeferd]

@Unholy Bindings You can't always prove a character's power because, by your logic, Azathoth is just a sleeping monster and isn't a god. But he is a god and everything is just his dream and everything will be erased when he wakes up. But you can't prove this though (through feats in your case). You see what I mean. Furthermore, that means we have to also get rid of Tier 0 (and possibly Tier 1-A and 1-B) which would cause a lot of people to start marching to this wiki's doorstep, ready to destroy it with their torches and pitchforks. Btw, why are you using the burden of proof fallacy as an excuse to say your claim is correct? Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies.

 

[Konaguna]

By this logic shouldn't we downgrade literally everyone in Zelda to like,wall level?Hell,throw Fire Emblem in there too while you're at it.

No, in Zelda it's pretty obvious who deos what. Ganon stopping the earth was literally stated to be him, Demise literally created a portal to a realm with a sun he made right in fornt of our eyes, Triforce warped the SR into the DW it has lots of statements to back it up.

Dark souls has vague implications and nothing else, and the level of power is not on the level the verse is capable of showing.

 

[Konaguna]

@Unholy Bindings You can't always prove a character's power because, by your logic, Azathoth is just a sleeping monster and isn't a god. But he is a god and everything is just his dream and everything will be erased when he wakes up. But you can't prove this though (through feats in your case). You see what I mean. Furthermore, that means we have to also get rid of Tier 0 (and possibly Tier 1-A and 1-B) which would cause a lot of people to start marching to this wiki's doorstep, ready to destroy it with their torches and pitchforks. Btw, why are you using the burden of proof fallacy as an excuse to say your claim is correct? Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies.

Now you are taking this way too far.

The burden of proof lies on the one that claims the positive. I was never trying to justify my point to carry out this downgrade, it's simply because there are not enough statements and feats from the game that support that kind of thing. When you give so little explanation on how things work many can blow the story way out of proportions and make it seem way more powerfull than it actually is because there is no description of how this Works so they can assume something and puzzle it together into a sensible story but ultimately headcannon and never confirmed or lacking any real feats that back it up.

 

[Konaguna]

Have you ever seen Curse-rotted Greatwood? If you did fight that optional boss, you know that it needs souls to to maintain its power. And this. You get power once use that to the souls of bosses. Soul is an energy output. It is also in line because of the statement. And there is a ring that increases your attack power, ring of blades. The undead struggles to reanimate when their soul lose dark sigil, you can level up with Dark Sigil, part of the dark soul, you know, part of your being and soul.

It kinda is because that is why you go sacrifice yourself in the first place, like look at the ending Shadow given, and if it is a catalyst it comes from above but guess what, it comes from below where humanoids resided in. They are bunch of hollows before in the AoA, because without fire or dark sigil, they just become hollows. If you want a confirmation from the developers, well, wait forever because they give you nothing.

Ornstein being Stormdrake contradicts what he is, a Dragonslayer, what her drive and motivation, loyalty to Lord Gwyn, and who is his enemy, a traitor to Gwyn. It downright contradicts everything about him and stupid theory to say the least. Storm doesn't contradicts anything, neither is the sun being first flame. And if you have problem with the lore established by the community, go to DS wiki and complain.

Witch of Azalith never linked the flame. You don't know what the difference between being given with fire and linking the fire. And if there is a rule that says destroying something meaning can create something then these guys should not be i, their tiers.

Developers did not intend to be as strong as they are. Again, Sephiroth.

You make it sound like everything about souls is about AP. Look at Ludleth, a lor dof Cinder, does he seem capable of matchign any other lord in any way?

Ring of blade is a ring specifically made to amp your strenght, not ever ring does that, there are rings that allow you to regenerate, increase defense, etc...

Now you are just assuming Ornstein went there because it all fits. I guess those walls in Anor Londo being destroyed were destroyed by who then? You literally get his soul if you kill him, waht kind of Illusion carries it's soul around?

Again assuming something that isn't true, no one said AoA humanoids were hollows. The process of hollowfication is strictly a part of human nature. Men was generated by the dark soul, as darkstalker kaathe said, the pygmy was the predecessor. Do you ever see gos hollow? No. unless you want to argue Gwyn or nameless king were hollow that again isn't true, because age has take a toll on their body and burning out. same thing with the pygmies, their blood drying out because they've been around for so long. What do you use when you need to revert back to human form? you pop a HUMANity and offer it to the bonfire, or you pop a HUMAN effigy. Ashen one isn't human so he does not hollow.

"And if you have problem with the lore established by the community, go to DS wiki and complain."

Ohh so the source for the souls profiles comes from a wiki? A wiki si not a valid source to draw info from, because it's a fandom like this one, and unless it drags legit obvious feats with statemnts pulled directly out of the game you can't account it for being right becuase theyve established a well formed theory.

 

[Konaguna]

..... ap is based on energy output. look at your message wall again. You will see why the storm feat, is where it's at. You keep looking at it like " didn't destroy a country " the ap someone needs to do such a thing just so happens to be in the 6-B tier. Stop looking at it as destruction, otherwise you will never be able to get it. If you like dc so much, they use it on obd wiki.

"Stop looking at it as destruction, otherwise you will never be able to get it."

Ohh yeah, dragging around clouds requires force you said.

Fine okay I'll agree, it requires force, a force to level a country, but wait now it isn't AP anymore because apparantly now you can destroy things without even being able to destroy them based on all the other claims. "you don't need to always destroy something to be on that level"

Where doy you see this force destroy anything? You don't.

You know this feat would be valid if the ruined structure and the peak had above Country level DC, now thats just ******** isn't it?

How can you possibly say a force that passes into something way inferior would not destroy a thing? It's called attack potency for a reason, it means how much your stenght can output to cause destruction.

How is moving clouds but not being able to destroy a single thing when you unleash that force into an old ruined building not an outlier or complete bullshit?

 

[JustJeferd]

@Unholy Bindings But still, my point stands because, by your logic, we need to get rid of tier 0 and all the way to high 1-B because there is too little explanation and not enough feats. But of course, it will fail spectacularly because feats were and are never the absolute measure of power. Power can never be measured by an absolute scale and even the tiering system isn't perfect too, thus power can only be approximated/estimated.

 

[Hizack123]

That's like saying Kratos shouldn't be Mutli-Continent because he didn't destroy multiple continents lol.

Or dragonball is not Planet level because they not destroy planet they fighting on.

 

[Keeweed]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Peridot By this logic we should downgrade the gem warship because it didn't blow up Steven's house when slamming into it (despite the fact that would screw up the entire story (unless you want Steven to be homeless and want to fall to your death after defeating the Nameless King).