Mask de Masculine attacks lightspeed

[TataHakai]

Cal's drunk

 

[Naeblis495]

i guess that settle it .

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Cal's drunk

Bingo my dude.

 

[YukaSama4]

Finally a speed feat is accepted for bleach lol

 

[Damage3245]

Well I tried to explain it to him that is the minimum distance he'd have to have come from.

But the distance that is being proposed is completely arbitrary. There is no reason given for why the distance between Renji and the panel border should be the distance that Renji had to travel in order to intercept the beam.

 

[TataHakai]

Well I tried to explain it to him that is the minimum distance he'd have to have come from.

But the distance that is being proposed is completely arbitrary. There is no reason given for why the distance between Renji and the panel border should be the distance that Renji had to travel in order to intercept the beam.

Because before Renji even came into the view of Mask or the viewer, the beam was already travelling towards Rose

Meaning Renji came into view AFTER the beam was fired, that's why the border is fine as a lowball

 

[Damage3245]

@TataHakai; then shouldn't the distance being used is what Mask is able to see? Because if that is the case then that just proves how the border panel is a completely arbitrary measurement since the border panel is not actually an object within the manga.

 

[YukaSama4]

The calc was accepted by calc team members I guess. Though its a lowball you still dont want it to be accepted. I dont know what do you mean by the last comment too, they explained it dozens of times above.

 

[Damage3245]

@YukaSama4; I'm also a calc group member in case you didn't know.

 

[Naeblis495]

^shouldn't that argument be settled in the actual renji calc discussion ?

 

[TataHakai]

@TataHakai; then shouldn't the distance being used is what Mask is able to see? Because if that is the case then that just proves how the border panel is a completely arbitrary measurement since the border panel is not actually an object within the manga.

We don't know what his vision of the position that Renji came from is

The further you are from somewhere the better view you have of it overall, up, down right or left

I'm pretty sure the panel being scaled is supposed to show us Mask's line of sight anyways

The top of the panel is fine as a lowball

 

[Damage3245]

@Naeblis495; probably, but the discussion is a natural continuation of this thread since this thread was made for the purpose of making the Renji calc acceptable.

 

[Damage3245]

> We don't know what his vision of the position that Renji came from is

That's precisely my point of why the distance Renji travelled is unquantifiable.

Using the panel border is completely wrong, and justifying it as a "low ball" makes no sense. If something is wrong, it is wrong, no matter how high balled or low balled it is.

 

[YukaSama4]

@YukaSama4; I'm also a calc group member in case you didn't know.

Yes you are, every feat or calc of bleach doesnt get accepted by you lol do you hate bleach so much or what

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Then we'll just scale him to LS for outpacing the beam before it got to it's target lol.

 

[Naeblis495]

@YukaSama4; I'm also a calc group member in case you didn't know.

Yes you are, every feat or calc of bleach doesnt get accepted by you lol do you hate bleach so much or what

He is like that with any verse he participate in , he just want things to be as clear cut as possible . It can be frustating sometimes but personal attack is not an awnser .

 

[Damage3245]

Then we'll just scale him to LS for outpacing the beam before it got to it's target lol.

You can argue for that if you want. I don't particularly care.

I'm just calling out a calc that has flaws to it.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I mean it's what we did with Liltoto dodging Auswhalen, since you won't take the lowball for whatever reason.

 

[Naeblis495]

so , do we go with the low ball form the calc or straight up Light speed for renji ?

 

[Aernasilver]

Well, Damage has issues with it and won't budge so straight up LS is the option it seems. Doesn't seem too outlandish considering the calc is a lowball anyways.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

LS it is then.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

If it's being accepted why can't it be lowballed instead of highballed?

It's better to be safe.

 

[Naeblis495]

Damage have a problem with the calc. The distance that renji crossed specifically apparently .

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Like the result can only get higher lol...

 

[Aernasilver]

So instead of lowballing or highballing it just go with the base speed. Easy.

 

[Damage3245]

If it's being accepted why can't it be lowballed instead of highballed?
It's better to be safe.

Under some circumstances scaling the panel's border would make sense; if the panel was from Mask's perspective for example and took place before Renji arrived.

But instead the calc is currently scaling to a random panel after Renji arrived; there is no connection between the distance of Renji to the panel's border and the actual distance that Renji would have had to travel. Which makes it completely arbitrary and therefore pretty much useless as a calc.

Justifying it as "Well, the result is lowballed anyway so it doesn't matter" doesn't actually make the calc any more correct.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

If people are fine with just LS Baseline that's okay with me, because i'd rather move on.

 

[Naeblis495]

Under some circumstances scaling the panel's border would make sense; if the panel was from Mask's perspective for example and took place before Renji arrived.

But instead the calc is currently scaling to a random panel after Renji arrived; there is no connection between the distance of Renji to the panel's border and the actual distance that Renji would have had to travel. Which makes it completely arbitrary and therefore pretty much useless as a calc.

Justifying it as "Well, the result is lowballed anyway so it doesn't matter" doesn't actually make the calc any more correct.

What is your proposal then ? would just scaling him to baseline LS be acceptable ?

 

[Damage3245]

I'd rather it be checked with more members of staff in its own thread if you can scale someone to directly to the speed of a projectile they intercept if their actual speed is unknown. I don't know whether that would be the best option, of if Renji would have to be listed as "possibly/likely" that rating.

 

[Amasnesotdrol]

Can't be possibly/likely when he completely superior to mask in everything and can speed blitz him in their fight and that just base renji vs base mask.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

lol

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Yea there is no "possibly" or "likely" when renji is mask is fodder to base renji much less bankai renji.

 

[Damage3245]

Can't be possibly/likely when he completely superior to mask in everything and can speed blitz him in their fight and that just base renji vs base mask.

Being superior to Mask doesn't really matter much, does it? It's not like Mask is as fast as his attack speed.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Dude what

 

[Antvasima]

So, even if there might be some problems with the calculation, has this been accepted as a light beam at least?

 

[Amasnesotdrol]

Huh? Candice lighting and Yhwach auswählen has no issue with this, why mask beam is an exception. There are nothing to suggest that way as well, if the attack speed is far superior then it should've have been mention somewhere such as bala, gran rey cero, or buto renjin. But there are nothing in here, not only that but renji can easily block it, suggest there are really nothing special to it, later base renji cant even react to mask punches when go into full power form.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yes, there is no counter argument.

We'll likely end up scaling the character Renji to LS, even though everyone disagrees entirely with his logic including Tata.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Does the calculation need to be redone before the result is applied then?

 

[Naeblis495]

yes , the attack was accepted as being Light Speed.

The issue is now the scaling that will be taken care of in a another thread

This particular thread can be closed , i think.

 

[Damage3245]

Okay. Does the calculation need to be redone before the result is applied then?

The update to Mask can be applied, but I still think that the calc for Renji is wrong.