- 11,606
- 8,378
And both of those are very casual from what I've seen/read from their profiles.For reference Mash's feat is 31.0656596558 Kilotons and Yujiro is 15.25 Kilotons in base.
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And both of those are very casual from what I've seen/read from their profiles.For reference Mash's feat is 31.0656596558 Kilotons and Yujiro is 15.25 Kilotons in base.
I mean, from what I'm seeing, people are considering this a skill stomp? Demon Back evening things out doesn't help either.Bump
I mean, from what I'm seeing, people are considering this a skill stomp? Demon Back evening things out doesn't help either.
Oh, right...Aside from that I have nothing to say for this match aside from Yujiro possibly stomping via passive fear hax.
How potent is this fear hax? Because Mash can stand in the presence of Wahlberg, who has a passive fear effect with his aura that is potent enough to cause visions of death.Yujiro is by far the most skilled striker in the verse.
However when it comes to shit such as his dodging capabilities, he's been shown to be rather lack-luster. He's been tagged by much slower and much less skilled opponents such as Hanayama and Olivia of all characters. So I think the argument that Yujiro dodges or negates all of Mash's attacks is definitely reaching.
Aiki gets canceled out via virtue of Mash's higher lifting strength. Aiki was broken completely by a character with class M lifting strength, Mash has class T so Aiki wouldn't be the best option.
Xiao-Lee has also been broken multiple times in the past, even with a perfect Mastery of the ability there'll always be a flaw such as ripping out hair or simply being hit against a wall. And as much as I like Kaku, the argument of him being an "average" old man is nonsense. The guy busted his own wheelchair with zero effort, the guy isn't your average old man.
Benda gets ****** by Mash's pain tolerance. Aside from that I have nothing to say for this match aside from Yujiro possibly stomping via passive fear hax.
Fear Manipulation (Yujiro's aura incites fear at the cellular level, a fear that is shown to affect comparable fighters to the point that some can't even touch him because they subconsciously avoid him, can passively incite fear in even a hardened veteran soldier, can make fighters feel as though they're being stabbed)How potent is this fear hax? Because Mash can stand in the presence of Wahlberg, who has a passive fear effect with his aura that is potent enough to cause visions of death.
So from my limited understanding, its potent enough to cause intense pain and to avoid him?Fear Manipulation (Yujiro's aura incites fear at the cellular level, a fear that is shown to affect comparable fighters to the point that some can't even touch him because they subconsciously avoid him, can passively incite fear in even a hardened veteran soldier, can make fighters feel as though they're being stabbed)
Yujiro's fear manipulation is no big deal. The "cellular level fear" thing is nothing, even a random Hollow in Bleach did the same shit (And in Hollow's case, it works more as a Social Influencing). Also, his fear manipulation was considered something like a predator encountering an animal in the forest, so I don't believe it's that massivepassive fear hax
That literally is only because of the overwhelming power... Not because of fear.Yujiro's fear manipulation is no big deal. The "cellular level fear" thing is nothing, even a random Hollow in Bleach did the same shit (And in Hollow's case, it works more as a Social Influencing). Also, his fear manipulation was considered something like a predator encountering an animal in the forest, so I don't believe it's that massive
Mash, as a baby under 5 months old, could stand in the presence of Domina, who does this. So I don't think this point is a problem
No... But him bring strong has nothing to do with itDo you think Yujiro makes people feel afraid because he is weak?
How it work..Eh, there's still Wahlberg's aura that Mash can stand in without being affected.
Hold on, let me pull up the profile so I can remember clearlyHow it works..
From intense magical aura.. Hmm idk personally isn't the same but a knowledgeable baki supporter should be instead.So basically, strong auras in Mashle can cause paralysis, can cause fear and visions of death even while unawakened, and can also cause the sensation of vomiting.
Trust me, Mashle gets wacky, in a fun way, when it wants toFrom intense magical aura.. Hmm idk
I know... I know.Trust me, Mashle gets wacky, in a fun way, when it wants to
Disagree with this first point. Sure early Yujiro would like to tank attacks, but modern Yujiro from Dou? His fight with Musashi has him contering parrying and dodging multiple attacks from him. Hell those examples you listed are SOO Yujiro letting those characters hit him.Yujiro is by far the most skilled striker in the verse.
However when it comes to shit such as his dodging capabilities, he's been shown to be rather lack-luster. He's been tagged by much slower and much less skilled opponents such as Hanayama and Olivia of all characters. So I think the argument that Yujiro dodges or negates all of Mash's attacks is definitely reaching.
There’s been like only two examples of it breaking it in the past. Kaku and Retsu. And while true Xiao lee does have flaws the problem is trying to find them. Yujiro literally figured it out because he’s ******* Yujiro one of the most skilled people on this site. Just to show you how hard it was to find a weakness not even Retsu could find the weakness of Xiao lee the guy that has been training in Chinese MA his entire life and Baki who can learn everything about a MA in only a month as a 13 year old. And again true Kaku isn’t the average old man, but by Baki standards he is and literally relies on Xiao lee in order to fight.Xiao-Lee has also been broken multiple times in the past, even with a perfect Mastery of the ability there'll always be a flaw such as ripping out hair or simply being hit against a wall. And as much as I like Kaku, the argument of him being an "average" old man is nonsense. The guy busted his own wheelchair with zero effort, the guy isn't your average old man.
Benda gets ****** by Mash's pain tolerance. Aside from that I have nothing to say for this match aside from Yujiro possibly stomping via passive fear hax.
Jesus Christ, this cellular level shit is pure wankAlso with the fear haxs. If mash profile show him not resisting it on a cellular level then he gets ****
I mean it’s not even my main point tbhJesus Christ, this cellular level shit is pure wank
You couldn’t have brought that up earlier lolI mean, if we are talking about "ignoring scale" we have abig problem
I mean, if we are talking about "ignoring scale" we have abig problem
I actually dig that the abilities are bolded. Wish more long profiles that have too many links would do that.I mean, if we are talking about "ignoring scale" we have abig problem
Plusit sounds like Yujiro wins with moderate difficulty to easy difficultly, maybe even a stomp. If only the votes would start rolling in.
we have abig problem
You couldn’t have brought that up earlier lol
This match is most likely useless now, since it was revealed that mash is always holding back in his fights, so eventually he will only have one key
Honestly I still believe Mash will win even though he is only 7-C. But in the end it is a waste of time
Maybe he has two, one wearing the bracelets (holding back) and one without (Full Power)
for real?The 4 times was rejected because it is anime only
Also
Don't waste your time
This is a bit of contradictory information which I believe is just Yujiro being a dick. Yujiro has affirmed multiple times that he absolutely endorses using the opponent's arts against them to piss them off. In fact, he said that exactly before that panel, and he has repeatedly shown to use the foe's techniques against them. It is true that he usually doesn't uses the same techniques as the opponent, but honestly, it is more out of a sentiment of not needing them to win than anything else.See Yujiro's weaknesses: "He tends to not counter with the opponent's mastered arts because he considers it to be rude"
Yes. Yujiro can one-hit kill someone who could fight with his base form equally, to the point of considering what said guy did as circus tricks.I mean, looking at both of their profiles, Yujiro seems to have preformed a casual 15 kiloton feat, while Mash casually did a 31 kiloton feat. I have not seen Baki, is Demon Back really that big of an amp?
Baki and Yujiro both do that kind of thing.Mash can also instinctively react to threats, even while unconcious, and has the instincts of a wild beast.
That's not even taking into account that once he sees an attack, he almost instantly reacts to it better and better.
... eh, I'd rather say it is meaningless, or rather, it isn't quantifiable. All that it means is that people react to Yujiro's presence as a prey animal would react to a predator, with instinctual fear hardcoded in their genes.Jesus Christ, this cellular level shit is pure wank
Man bleach is full of busted passives i dont think is a very good comparationYujiro's fear manipulation is no big deal. The "cellular level fear" thing is nothing, even a random Hollow in Bleach did the same shit (And in Hollow's case, it works more as a Social Influencing). Also, his fear manipulation was considered something like a predator encountering an animal in the forest, so I don't believe it's that massive
Mash, as a baby under 5 months old, could stand in the presence of Domina, who does this. So I don't think this point is a problem
Shouldn't it be removed from his profile, then?This is a bit of contradictory information which I believe is just Yujiro being a dick. Yujiro has affirmed multiple times that he absolutely endorses using the opponent's arts against them to piss them off. In fact, he said that exactly before that panel, and he has repeatedly shown to use the foe's techniques against them. It is true that he usually doesn't uses the same techniques as the opponent, but honestly, it is more out of a sentiment of not needing them to win than anything else.
In this case it was no passives. The people around didn't feel the pressure or anything. Orhime was afraid simply because she could see a creature of such magnitudeMan bleach is full of busted passives i dont think is a very good comparation